WTB - Toyota 86 hi or std
 

Hi guys,

After browsing this forum and drooling over the Toyota 86 for ages now i think the time has come to get a feel for the machine by getting my own - i've already thought of names for her (Kyron, Sylvia, Scarlett, Anastasia...) . Ive searched the web for something affordable (in my price range) and there are a few, but im hoping to get better value from the plethora of fans here.

Basically my budget is R260k and for that i would like a high spec. Im willing to part with R230k for a standard spec model. I'd like a white or red one but any colour besides black will do (just have to think of more appropriate names)...

So if anybody spots or hears of anything available and let me know via PM or here.

Thanks guys, im hoping to be an hachiroku owner soon as ive already passed the stage of being a fanboy.:thanks:

Right here we go again, so I'm going for first reply (since I own a standard I will be quicker and therefore post faster). :burnrubber:
Std spec has less equipment and is therefore lighter. A better name for std spec is race spec. So save the extra cash and get the better, quicker car! :popcorn:

Race spec still out in front, check this link.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67658

Hello. I don't have a clue about 2nd hand 86 pricing, but your budgets seem a little low. Well I hope my baby has not devalued that much.

What region are you in?

Thanks for the responses guys. im not sure how to put in a thanks yet.
I dont mind either one. The reason im open to paying a bit more for the high spec is the cruise control as i regularly travel over 400 km. And who doesnt want enlightening HID's.

The valuations are a bit on the low side but thats what my budget will allow me. Ive seen std(race) specs for 225k and 230 k but none in white. Will keep looking. If i can haggle Kapteinbos down by 10k then maybe i will take his. Thanks for the link. And please keep an eye out for any other offers.

P.S. im in KZN but i will go anywhere for her...

Cruise control also seemed very important to me, and I even priced after market cruise controls (R4-6k BTW).
I bought std spec anyway, and I haven't missed the cruise control (much).

Think about it - why buy a car where the major objective is "an engaging drive", and then make it "unengaging"? :iono:

Oops - duplicate post, sorry.

STD spec for me too.
Main reason being that the only arguments FOR the high spec that spoke to me were the Alcantara seats and the nicer headlights.
the 17" wheels make no real difference from what I am told, and the narrower 16" ones inevitably let go at lower speeds (i'd reckon - completely unscientific about this).

30K (40, considering the pricing I got on the STD spec because I waited so long) price difference for seats? I don't think so.

The high-spec headlights are nice, but the Subie ones are even nicer to me, so that's a no-go as well.

If I want big wheels and more grip (I am not one for visual upgrades, really), I'd go for 18" with proper sports tyres on them

I do 100km a day mostly on the open road and at all times of the day/night. Cruise control and the HID's are very important to me. The seat heaters also kept my backside nice and warm this morning too.
Each to his own tho :)

1) Black 86's - I had my sights set on a white 86, but ended up getting a STD Black Hachiroku - The colour has grown on me and I do not regret it for a single day. My little batmobile. Women also like the black sports car vibe:iono: I cannot complain

Lesson(Buying a used vehicle) - Dont stress about colours - Your colour will find you.

Experience with initial ride

2) Embrace the 2nd gear grind. You will get use to this and it wont happen as time wears

3) Cars will try to call you out (Esp GTi's) They have insecurity issues - Dont waste your time. They can go fast in a straight line. We go fast Side Ways (Which is epic).

4) Addiction will follow - Mods - You will never have enough mods. "Keeping it Stock"

Enjoy

LOL, sorry but no - race spec would be the one with the bigger and better brakes, shift light and those kinda RACE goodies...HIGH SPEC FTW!!! :party0030:

That is true, but some roads such as the N4 are just too boring to be engaging in any way, shape or form. I love cruise control and would pay good money for it.

For me it was a no brainer - had a look at the std spec and left with the feeling that it was stripped out. Got in a high spec a couple of weeks later and all the missing stuff was there. :D

You may not "need" the extras, but for me it makes it a nicer place to be.

-17" wheels: nicer design than the std spec IN MY OPINION
-Bigger front disks
-Bigger and vented rear disks and calipers
-Cluster with white rev counter and digital speedometer. Analogue speedometer is not the easiest to read quickly.
-Programmable shift light & buzzer
-Proper alcantara/leather seats
-Heated seats: don't need
-Bi-xenon headlights are superb
-Auto headlights: nice to have
-LED daytime running lights completes the look
-Passive keyless entry with stop/start. Love this!
-Cruise control: already explained above
-Dual zone auto climate control: adds to the "cockpit" look & feel
-Various leather trim around the center console a big improvement over the plastic in the std spec

There are some other differences as well but the above are the most notable. I have posted this before but those options would set you back around R70-R80k if it was an Audi/BMW/Merc so the price difference between std & high really does make it a no brainer in my opinion. As for the weight argument, it's negligible.

I don't tend to agree much with the Savmaster:confused0068:
But I have to agree this time.
If you can afford the High Spec way to go.
I'm going to regret this soon...:paddle:

Agreed, Hi Spec is better than the Std Spec, hence the price variance. (And its not much, reasonable). But the core reason you would be buy this vehicle is not for leather seats or cruise control....if you want the BEST of that...get a 3 series BMW, or C Class...etc

If you want a INCREDIBLE driving experience. Get a Hachiroku. Hi or Low. You will SMILE with either.

(And if you get a Low spec, use the R30k price variance to get a performance exhaust, intake and rims). Which would be more value to me than cruise control or leather seats.

But each to their own.

Lets not start a Low Spec Vs High Spec war here. :-D

Why not? We haven't had a good battle here for a while... LOL :D

On a more serious note - looking at sav's list, the only thing I really miss is the digital speedo.
Sav said "Analogue speedometer is not the easiest to read quickly" - how polite. What a gentleman and a scholar he is.
It's actually a total POS that's worse than useless.

I use an old Android phone, ELM327 and Torque Pro for a digital speedo and oil temp gauge.
Not a great solution, but it's OK for me.

sent you a pm. please let me know asap as time is running out and she will soon retail for R260k or more at a Toyota dealer...

For interest you can exchange the cluster to a high spec.

Theres some amazing information here. Thanks guys for all the responses. I think sav has made a good case. Theres a lot more stuff there for 30k(new). For me the most appealing is the cruise control as i just find it a chore to keep hovering around 120kph for the entire trip between JHB and Durban and the way back. I do travel almost once a month so this feature will make life a lot easier.

Hopefully i can find a hi spec for around 260k.
Somebody please find me a car that i can get into!!!

Race drivers don't need flashy lights to tell them when to shift, they use something called instinct!!!
Also not sure if a bum warmer or cruise control can be considered race goodies?
On a happier and more unbelievable note did @Ryan86 just agree with you??? What the hell is going on here is it 1 April? :iono:

LOL, see I can be PC and nice when needs be. :D

Seriously though, they should at least have added the digital speedometer as standard. Look at the BRZ - std spec cluster with the digital speedometer if I'm not mistaken. Or maybe it was the FRS?

Howzit bro,

Did you buy yourself a 2nd hand 86?
What did you pay for it?

I was wondering if the 2nd hand ones available are those that are messed up, by frantic driving, and the guys are getting rid of them. Its a sports car so that was my first impression. And who would want to get rid of one of these beauties besides the practicality issue? So i was just wondering how you did your research to ensure that you got one in prime condition.

Just fears of ending up with a tortured soul of a car...:sigh:

ROTFLOL!! Sometimes you just can't argue against facts. :D

I do agree though, you will enjoy both, it's also about what you're used to. Coming from a Citi Golf, std spec would obviously be great - folding mirrors and electric windows FTW!! But for me it would have been a step down and as they say - onwards and upwards! :bonk:

Good thing we get different specs - different needs for different breeds, I love my race spec 86. :D

BTW
That is assuming he's buying cash. Unless you could somehow convince the dealer to add a performance exhaust, intake and rims to the finance package.

If it's going to be financed then the difference is going to be a couple hundred bucks/month.

I understand your concerns. And that was the reason I went for a Std Spec. ( I was also paranoid to an extent)

I managed to get it from Gateway Toyota, it was used my a sales manager for 1 year, hence being a demo model with 6000km on the clock,PLUS, I have a relative that works for Toyota Gateway (New Cars Sales Manager), and it was his buddy that drove it, so I had piece of mind. I paid R257,000 on the road. This also included extending the warrenty for an extra 3 years.
(This price was also negotiated with the principle dealer)

(-Moral of the story- Demo model - Dealership that you trust - Extend warrenty)

I think having a warrenty on these cars are important. I am still an articles clerk, so when I start earning real money, I plan on also extending the service plan.

Before I bought my car, I viewed allot of 86's in JHB, and to be honest if you want a showroom condition Hi Spec, be prepared to pay +-R300k
(I could not afford this)

I did view a Red High Spec at Toyota in the South of JHB, it if I can remember it was advertised for approx R270k, - The bumper had work done on it(Touch ups), scratches on the rims, tires were burnt on the edges(Signs of drifting), dents on the roof, and signs of a fork lift that damaged the metal on the underneath of the car. The dealer said they will sort all issues out. But even if they gave me that car for R257k, I would have still chosen my current Std spec in the condition that I picked it up.

So forgoing showroom condition, is an opportunity cost for the High Spec.

Unless you increase your budget to R300k for a High spec, your scenario is: (Remainging at your R260k budget)

(Showroom condition Std Spec) Vs ('Handled' High Spec with +30,000km mileage):popcorn:

Im sure you had a look in the following websites::thumbsup:

Theres a few red high specs that are looking worthwhile for R285k, which would turn out to cost around R290k on the road.
http://www.autotrader.co.za/makemode...tude=-26.05447

http://www.gumtree.co.za/s-toyota+86/v1q0p1

http://www.carfind.co.za/showroom.aspx

The eternal battle rages on! :popcorn:

We will always support the one we bought. But one plus that Alang will agree with is the std model's heater works a treat! :bow:

I wouldn't worry about hard driving for this car, it was made for it (unless it has been driven into a wall or taken 4x4ing on farm roads :barf:). Just ask the guys that have super chargers :bonk:.

Who needs a heater, we barely have winters in SA. :iono:

sigh. All I miss is cruise control, because it makes it very (quick and) expensive getting to track days.

BUT:

Check. Lap. Times.

and the immortal quote, ".... just add lightness"

High spec FTW!!!
I got a BRZ which comes standard as High spec and im loving it.

I'm coming from a Accord Exec which was full house so I couldn't have gone to standard spec.

Best feature for me is cruise control and to a less extent the heated seats.
Cruise control is just lovely when you are not on the track and lets be honest with each other, even if you track every weekend and the car is your daily driver you are spending only 30% of your time on the track at most. So cruise control FTW.

heated seats: I easily get cold so they do a wonderful job of getting me warmed up quickly.

And to finish it off. The high spec just looks better. Worth the extra 30k i would think so.

Yeeesh! You guys!

Makes it so difficult to choose between the standard and high.
But alas, at least i know all that i want is a Toyota 86...

Dunno who even spends that much time on the track with their daily driver. My cruise control is used every day and I really miss it when driving my wifes RAV4. I simply dont race through the traffic on my way to work like polo and GTi drivers...

You're already in a good place right there :D

Thanks for the good info bro.

Yes ive had a look at them. There was a nice white one on autotrader which i was eyeing out curiously but when i had a look at it there were fine scratches on the hood and along the passenger door. :paddle:

Im starting to wonder if i should just wait a while longer to get a bigger budget to work with. As i said, i do not want to end up with something thats going to give me issues. I can get a new high spec for 320k so just wondering if i should wait until the end of the year to just get that... But it seems so far away, the wait could be excruciating :bonk:

I never rev my car over 4000rpm
I would never take it near a racetrack
and I certainly wouldn't spin the wheels or do that drifting rubbish.

I also don't smoke, don't drink, and don't chase women.
I only have one bad habit left...



I still tell a lot of lies :D

Don't worry, our cars ain't made of glass - give it horns!!

Speaking of wise men, well said @JouMaSeHoes I seem to reacall a red std posting some pretty serious lap times.

Exactly, I bought my car for transport. I don't understand this constant obsession with speed and handling. I just want a safe reliable car to get me to work and back. 86 is perfect for this.

I can believe that you don't chase women, cause with a car like this they just come to you (in my experience anyway, and I've only had the car for 2 weeks :lol:).

Yep. I haven't heard of any N/A 86 that's quicker than you (except Stiglet, but he doesn't count).

Now I'm curious - is there a difference between the licence weight of a std and a hi-spec?
Just checked - my std is 1220

Last month, I received a stunning photo of my car through the mail sent to me by the Midvaal Municipality - how very considerate of them.
I got nailed in a radar trap about a kilo from the track despite having a radar/laser detector. Only problem was that I hadn't switched the detector back on because (believe it or not) it screams blue murder on Midvaal Raceway because it picks up a signal from a security system about a kilo away. Sort of ironic to have your radar detector going off on a racetrack... :bonk:

[QUOTE=Fish Eagle;1790429]Yep. I haven't heard of any N/A 86 that's quicker than you (except Stiglet, but he doesn't count).

I was going to blush ... but then I remembered this, "I still tell a lot of lies :D"