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Dezoris 06-04-2014 12:59 AM

What Redline/Fuel Cut Off You Running
 
I am testing out new tuning, and my previous tune maintained stock fuel cut off at 7450. The new tuning is quite the change but also has a higher fuel cut I believe at 7800.

Since I am Mr. Conservative, today I was driving bit hard in first hit 7700RPM and almost sh*t my pants.

Whats your feeling about what fuel cut off and what to set it at?

D K 06-04-2014 01:22 AM

I'm not even joking: I'm running 6500 until we get everything working :)

CSG Mike 06-04-2014 01:24 AM

Do you have any headwork done? If not, I HIGHLY recommend u drop the redline.

SmsAlSuwaidi 06-04-2014 01:24 AM

i hit 7800 a lot... i know that power isn't being made after 7000, but it makes me drop back in my sweet spot of the turbo. Regarding cuts i would love a harsh cut to actually throw flames/bangs ( no im not kidding), but ive been told Ecutek doesn't have the choices of running both cuts (fuel+ ignition together or something in that context )

rb6freak 06-04-2014 01:49 AM

7700 because I need a longer 2nd gear on the track. Street driving I shift 6500-7000.

CSG Mike 06-04-2014 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rb6freak (Post 1777099)
7700 because I need a longer 2nd gear on the track. Street driving I shift 6500-7000.

Your 2nd gear is useable on track? :eyebulge:

I'd love to see your car in action.

rb6freak 06-04-2014 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1777112)
Your 2nd gear is useable on track? :eyebulge:

I'd love to see your car in action.

August 30th, you'll be in the driver seat.

I was referring to smaller kart tracks and autocross.

HRTROB 06-04-2014 04:48 AM

Mine is set at 8,000rpm but I rarely rev it that high. But when I do, man it pulls like a mofo.

Since I have a SC the power continues to climb past 7,5k rpm. It's a 25whp increase at 8,000rpm from 7,500rpm

D K 06-04-2014 05:30 AM

Why not run a smaller pulley and shift sooner?


Quote:

Originally Posted by HRTROB (Post 1777223)
Mine is set at 8,000rpm but I rarely rev it that high. But when I do, man it pulls like a mofo.

Since I have a SC the power continues to climb past 7,5k rpm. It's a 25whp increase at 8,000rpm from 7,500rpm


buddy32 06-04-2014 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rb6freak (Post 1777117)
August 30th, you'll be in the driver seat.

I was referring to smaller kart tracks and autocross.

Can't wait to see this!!

King Tut 06-04-2014 10:09 AM

Mine was set to 8000 RPM on both my Visconti and FA20Club tunes, and I had no fears of reving it to that to maximize the hump in my horsepower curve:

http://brz.ridedomain.com/dyno/std.gif

sw20kosh 06-04-2014 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1777464)
Mine was set to 8000 RPM on both my Visconti and FA20Club tunes, and I had no fears of reving it to that to maximize the hump in my horsepower curve:

http://brz.ridedomain.com/dyno/std.gif

You don't need to rev to 8k to maximize your torque curve ... Your curve is so broad... James doesn't think I need to raise my limiter and my turbo spools slower than yours

bakerr6 06-04-2014 11:34 AM

mine will probably be set at 6800-7k. I'm conservative when it comes to pushing the stock motor past its limits. In a few years when I no longer dd the car, I'll drop in a built motor and push it much higher

xwd 06-04-2014 12:10 PM

With the turbo I'm looking to put in a 3.91 FD so I won't have to wind out 2nd gear so much in autocross. I plan on running 7800RPM as the redline, but will be tapering boost a bit above 6800 just to keep stress off the engine.

sw20kosh 06-04-2014 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1777034)
I am testing out new tuning, and my previous tune maintained stock fuel cut off at 7450. The new tuning is quite the change but also has a higher fuel cut I believe at 7800.

Since I am Mr. Conservative, today I was driving bit hard in first hit 7700RPM and almost sh*t my pants.

Whats your feeling about what fuel cut off and what to set it at?

Seems the community is mixed. Toan of pTuning says hes done hundreds of dyno pulls out to 8k with no ill effects and he recommended to me to rev my car out that high to maximize power band on the 3076. Both Delicious Tuning and Jamesm don't recommend it other than extending 2nd gear. CSG doesn't recommend it.

I have seen plenty of FI dyno graphs here with people running to 8k. Is it safe? Unkown. So far it seems alright.

In the end it is your motor and if I had your setup and the torque curve stayed flat or kept increasing past 7400 rpm then I would probably choose to run up to 8k rpms to take advantage of that at the risk of more wear and tear.

feldy 06-04-2014 12:33 PM

While I'm still Na I have 4 maps that do different things. Maps 1 and 2 keep the stock redline fuel cut.

maps 3 and 4 keep the same redline however it does not cut fuel. It just stays at redline until I shift it.

SmsAlSuwaidi 06-04-2014 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dwx (Post 1777709)
With the turbo I'm looking to put in a 3.91 FD so I won't have to wind out 2nd gear so much in autocross. I plan on running 7800RPM as the redline, but will be tapering boost a bit above 6800 just to keep stress off the engine.


3.91 wont be that noticeable :), and i am doing a longer fd in one week


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Dezoris 06-04-2014 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1777740)
Seems the community is mixed. Toan of pTuning says hes done hundreds of dyno pulls out to 8k with no ill effects and he recommended to me to rev my car out that high to maximize power band on the 3076. Both Delicious Tuning and Jamesm don't recommend it other than extending 2nd gear. CSG doesn't recommend it.

I have seen plenty of FI dyno graphs here with people running to 8k. Is it safe? Unkown. So far it seems alright.

In the end it is your motor and if I had your setup and the torque curve stayed flat or kept increasing past 7400 rpm then I would probably choose to run up to 8k rpms to take advantage of that at the risk of more wear and tear.

Well that's the thing, Bill says his tune is safe and tested. I have heard that from others and well, kind of echos that in this thread but... Clearly varying opinions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1777074)
Do you have any headwork done? If not, I HIGHLY recommend u drop the redline.

Thats my feeling, the tune maybe safe but that does not mean mechanically long term it will hold up.

I requested the redline be dropped to 7500. Never had an issue before shifting below 7K, but this tuning ramps up so fast at high RPM I cant catch it and autox is even worse.

D K 06-04-2014 12:45 PM

Do people realize that dyno pulls and racing are 2 different things?

Show me somebody who is racing, regularly and revs it to 8K and let's see how long their engine will last.

Have you guys looked at the rocker arm design of our motors?:iono:

I'm surprised they last to 7400...



Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1777740)
Seems the community is mixed. Toan of pTuning says hes done hundreds of dyno pulls out to 8k with no ill effects and he recommended to me to rev my car out that high to maximize power band on the 3076. Both Delicious Tuning and Jamesm don't recommend it other than extending 2nd gear. CSG doesn't recommend it.

I have seen plenty of FI dyno graphs here with people running to 8k. Is it safe? Unkown. So far it seems alright.

In the end it is your motor and if I had your setup and the torque curve stayed flat or kept increasing past 7400 rpm then I would probably choose to run up to 8k rpms to take advantage of that at the risk of more wear and tear.


SmsAlSuwaidi 06-04-2014 12:46 PM

Well it is known that rocker arms are the weak link other than rods ! A few motors already blew from this issue, but most were revving over 8grand. My mechanic buddy already has a built set of heads/cams in his frs who was with me on the dyno and kept insisting to not over rev !


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xwd 06-04-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi (Post 1777775)
3.91 wont be that noticeable :), and i am doing a longer fd in one week


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I've done calculations and for my needs it's enough with the right tire size. I think the 3.73 would be too much. Still trying to make the decision though.

A local tuner pushing 500WHP floated a valve at 8K. He replaced the valves with Kelford ones and no more issues.

SmsAlSuwaidi 06-04-2014 01:27 PM

What Redline/Fuel Cut Off You Running
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dwx (Post 1777891)
I've done calculations and for my needs it's enough with the right tire size. I think the 3.73 would be too much. Still trying to make the decision though.

A local tuner pushing 500WHP floated a valve at 8K. He replaced the valves with Kelford ones and no more issues.


Ah ok, since my car is mostly a street car i hate doing a high boost pull with the current gearing. I just end up mashing gears and be in the top of 5th in no time.

Regarding values i remember being told the stockers are so soft @DesertFrs knows more about it


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