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UNDERPOWERED? THE REAL DEAL!!!
Seems like a lot of people are complaining about how under powered these cars are, so thought I would do a little fact finding myself.
Did a HP to weight ratio comparison to some of what I would consider comparable cars from the years. Cars included were: Datsun 240z, Mazda RX7, VW GTI, Miata MX5 and CRX Si. Guess which car came out on top??? If you said FRS/BRZ you were right!!! The only car even close was the 240z that has a 6 cylinder motor, enough said... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I think @humfrz calculated this before.
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Sadly most of the cars you have been comparing have also receive complain from being underpower over the year :p
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You got some stats or data we can see instead of simply stating the conclusion? It makes it easier to visualize.
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While I 100% agree with your findings and your opinion that the twins are not underpowered, you and I are both living in the past. The "kids" today are spoiled by mundane family sedans, SUVs and mini-Vans that come from the factory with 260-295HP. These people movers are quick in a straight line which comes in handy when merging with traffic on a 70MPH (80MPH actual) interstate. They cannot fathom a sports car than cannot outrun these everyday cars from a stoplight or blow past them easily during a passing attempt even if said soccer mom driven appliance does not wished to be passed.
What they forget is that those vehicles would roll over or plow off the road, front end first, if they attempted to chase a twin through a slalom or a set of switch backs up in the hills. They also ignore the fact that the twins are fast. They can reach a top speed of 145MPH which is something most of those family haulers cannot do because they have the aerodynamics of a brick. That type of top speed is also something that the sporty cars of the past you listed could not match. You will never convince the ones that want more power that they do not need it and will seldom use it if they do pay the big bucks to get it. It will take years of experience and thousands of dollars wasted before they will come to that conclusion on their own. |
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back in the day, i thought my Acura Integra LS 140hp & 127 lbs of torque was fast!
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These modern cars with high redlines take some getting used to as well. A lot of us are missing that low-end torque that our previous cars had. Our Twins perform better in almost every measurable way. Power delivery just feels different. My Old first-gen Celicas basically had truck motors, same with my MR2.
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If you can't drive 200hp car fast, extra 20~100hp ain't gonna help ya
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My Mazda 626 felt pretty fast... And this car has like 70 more hp and weighs a lot less. I think it's fast. *Shrugs*
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When its slower then a new v6 camry its slow.
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So in the end, slow car isn't slow because of car. Slow car is slow, cuz of the driver. |
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We filmed it and the Accord just blew past on the mile straight but almost did not stop in the corner, after that Accord did not make it one lap before the brakes were absolutely faded out and parked so we never used the footage. There is truth to the to the track/autox bit but of course 95% of the time these cars roll on the street, where they cant get out of their own way. Old debate that will never die. |
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aaaaaaaannnnnnnndddddddd...........we're still slow
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I hear you on that. |
Oh man what am I going to tell Vin Diesel and Tommy Rice Rocket the next time the whole gang from Fast & Furious 15 want to go Tokyo Duriiifto? A car in and of itself is a waste of money. Power junkies advocate for spending even more of your hard earned dollars to use more power even less of the time because....everybody is some street racer in their mind. People don't have lives outside of their cars, real careers, other bills to pay or heaven forbid other hobbies to enjoy that don't revolve around pea-cocking your car theoretical figures in a parking lot with other like-minded tools.
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My 9 y.o. son was riding shotgun in my BRZ while we were behind my wife in her 2.0T Sonata at a red light. When the light turned green, my wife took off pretty quickly and I had to work a bit to keep up, nearly redlining before shifting. My son noticed and said, "Wow, mom's car is pretty fast." I agreed.
Then he said, "But your car feels a lot faster!" At 9, he gets what magazine racers don't. :iono: |
So you're telling me (for the 274th time)... that my car is slower to 60 than a V6 Camry?
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Those cars are older than many of us on this forum. It's 2014. If I'm a spoiled brat to think that a sports car should be faster than a grocery getter, oh well.
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Whiners gonna whine. Maybe they got lemons, 'cuz my little FR-S is awesome.
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in these threads nobody is even speaking to the same points. the cars are slow. it does other things well but its slow. yes, a camry or even a mustang wont feel as fun or inspiring. that doesnt make the frs any faster though.
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It makes it faster at winning my heart. :wub:
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I guess some of us have different definitions of what is "fast", what is "quick" and what is "slow". Maybe it takes being over 40 and having the experience of driving many cars to really appreciate the FR-S/BRZ for what the are.
I just hate seeing every new person that comes to this forum being constantly bombarded with the rhetoric about how slow this car is. Then they think that the only way to make this car decent is to spend a ton of money supercharging or turbocharging it. At the same time, many of the early adopters who used to preach that gospel and have gone the FI route have already dumped their mistakes on someone else, gone back to stock to recoup what money they can and sold the car or blown up an engine or two. |
Anybody ever on niccoclub.com or any other 240sx forum when they first came out? I wonder if people bitched as much about their power as well??
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It's fast where it counts. Shredding corners on my stock donuts in my stock FR-S is many times the thrill I experienced lighting up tires in my sick built to the balls 3/4 race old gold Chevy. Hell, bet very few of the current crowd has even heard of or knows what a 3/4 race is. 800hp street cars were common in my day. It's been done so lets move along kiddies.
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Of course it's slow. Was that a surprise? If so, research was not performed by the buyer. That would be disappointing. I knew the car was going to be slow below 4k rpm. It's a high revving motor high performance motor. That's my favorite stuff. Plenty of room to play around with it. It was built to be modified per owner's taste.
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I'm starting to suspect that the people who complain about the power have no interest in the other aspects of the car. Sucks to be them.
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don't bash me as this is a serious question.. what rwd 2.0 n/a car that costs less than 27k is faster than the frs??
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Surprised of all the underpowered threads people still keep posting up.
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