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Raven 6 05-18-2014 09:10 PM

Where Would We Be??????
 
If we had never seen any of the Fast and Furious Trilogy?

Me, maybe still driving my old pickup.:bonk:

Timmy_Jones 05-18-2014 09:15 PM

Not living my life, 10 seconds at a time, and for that time I would be free.

industrial 05-18-2014 09:29 PM

I designed shirts for Mugen in 93 while still in high school daydreaming about adding an intake to a civic or maybe a mx-6. I read SCC when it was still mostly black and white. "Drifted" silvias in 98 while stationed in Okinawa. Was "racing" in the hills of socal right around the same time the first FATF came out. Joined Nasioc when it was still Imprezer's Lair.

I guess I'd probably be in the same place. I don't really think that movie made any impact on people like me that just appreciated the technical aspects of this hobby along with a little legal racing/spirited driving. Those movies were more for the whole HIN/Hard Parking/Hell-Frush scene which I never understood. I thought that scene was pretty much dead until this car came along...

PollosHermanos 05-18-2014 09:49 PM

I'm not here to judge but when I was in high school during the mid-late 90s my best friend's Dad had 6 RX7s. One track car, one DD, two parts cars, and one for each one of his two sons. He did all his own work and taught us all kinds of things in the process.

That garage and his wrenching did more for me as a car enthusiast than those goofy movies did. In fact when it came out I recall thinking that the whole 'scene' thing was ridiculous and it was only when I was in college that I came to like it because we would get AMAZINGLY stoned and just laugh our asses off at Vin Diesel.

I get that it did move a lot of people towards the culture and thats a good thing for the most part. But for me - it really just highlighted many of things gave car enthusiasts a bad name.

Model Citizen 05-18-2014 09:50 PM

I'd still be a buster

speargunsandracecars 05-18-2014 10:59 PM

I've always liked cars, but the F&F series solidified me wanting to modify my own. I was still in high school when the 1st F&F came out and didn't have a car. But I read a lot of 'tuner magazines' like Import Tuner and the like. I thought those were the coolest cars ever back then. Nowadays, I cringe at the sight of gaudy paint jobs and any sort of body kit. I, like most car guys not born in to it or introduced at a really young age, had a ricer phase. I've since grown out of it, and I prefer my cars subdued and understated. I now value handling and feel over sheer straight line acceleration and 1/4 mile times. I'll take a slow 911SC or a Carrera 3.2 over a 370Z any day of the week.

I'm sure many of you guys have matured in your tastes on how cars should be. But I can't help but think that the F&F series influenced a whole generation of would be car enthusiasts.

G-awesome 05-18-2014 11:02 PM

Taking the bus........booyah.

Turbo95eg6 05-18-2014 11:05 PM

Don't want to make you feel like we are dinosaurs, but a majority of us were in "the scene" far before the series. I believe I started modding Hondas back in 98.

dbrandt01 05-18-2014 11:11 PM

I was just about to go to Middle School when that movie came out. I was always in the lifted truck scene living down in Alabama. Not many cars that are modded. Not compared to trucks anyways. I don't think it would've changed how I am now if the movies hadn't come out in all honesty.

mav1178 05-19-2014 12:47 AM

Never bothered to watch any of the 6 movies so far, nor do I care for it.

-alex

Lytheum 05-19-2014 01:57 AM

Movie didnt have much impact on me. The cars were more rice then nice in those movies. I did like the first one and the last 1 or 2.

I think it was gran turismo and need for speed that got me into modding cars.

husker741 05-19-2014 02:04 AM

Let's see, it taught us to stay away from the Asian part of the city, that it IS possible to overnight parts from Japan, pizza boys don't call the cops right away when their route is blocked, anyone who can work a PowerPoint should go to MIT, and that girls named MONICAAAAAAAAAA don't keep their words when you race for their tits.

So without it, I think America would crumble.

Jyn 05-19-2014 02:09 AM

So many hipsters in here. HIPSTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRS

swpbrz 05-19-2014 02:15 AM

I thought the car meets and racing and fighting and egomania looked dangerous and scary. stay away

Mad1723 05-19-2014 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 1745328)
Never bothered to watch any of the 6 movies so far, nor do I care for it.

-alex

You're missing out :thumbsup:

extrashaky 05-19-2014 03:23 AM

Add me to the list of people who have never watched any of these movies. Or rather, I tried to watch one of them once but somehow didn't finish it. I think I got bored and distracted and ended up doing something else.

That's not a knock against those of you who like those movies. If you enjoyed it, great. I know I watch some things that a lot of people here would hate.

But not all of us here bought twins because we watched a movie. I bought mine because it reminded me of the entry-level purpose-built sports cars of the 60s and 70s that I grew up with, from back before the whole modding economy cars into street racers craze.

ashtray 05-19-2014 03:51 AM

I like the F&F movies - but they've made me embarrassed to outwardly like modified cars, especially modified Japanese cars that the movies seem to use a bunch of. (Yes, they did use some American muscle cars as well.)

The movies are entertaining, but just like cop movies may make actual police officers cringe due to how they are portrayed, and spy movies would make actual spies keep their identity a secret for yet another reason, the F&F movies were so bad, for so many reasons, that they make people actually interested in the "import car culture" look bad. I just don't want to be associated with that culture by people who's only insight into it is the F&F movies.

Interestingly enough, the movies have found their spot as they have gone from sequel to sequel. They have become action/adventure movies, instead of trying to pass themselves off as a car movie.

Make no mistake: society views people who street race as tools. They put other people's lives at risk bc they "have something to prove". Go watch Back To The Future (2?) where Marty lines up his pickup for a street race - message to audience: street racing is for tools who are dumbed down to the lowest common denominator among the group.

Luckily F&F movies have swayed away from this in more recent films - though they still keep to the import car culture. Hey, you can be into modifying cars and driving fast without being a total _____ to everyone else on the roads.


Sadly, while the term "rice" was already around before the F&F films, the films just pushed more people into modifying their cars without actually having funds, so yeah, just "race inspired cosmetics". Now you had teens with ugly aftermarket wings and unpainted body kits approaching your modified import that you've spent $5k on stuff no one will see and they think they're just like you.

I could go on and on about cut springs and cheap coil overs, and loud exhausts on stock 100hp engines, etc etc. But you get the idea. Oh yeah, and clueless people seeing your import at a stoplight and wanting to race all the time. I don't do that, leave me alone.

So yeah - where would we be with F&F? Probably a better place.


I feel similar about "Guitar Hero", which some of you might have lived through that fad. I think people can see now what an embarrassment that was to the guitar culture. If not, watch the South Park episode about it. F&F movies are like that to the people who were in the car culture before these movies came out.

ashtray 05-19-2014 03:55 AM

Again, to make the point: F&F quotes are a punchline to those who actually know about cars. The movies are an embarrassment - however, they are entertaining.

PollosHermanos 05-19-2014 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashtray (Post 1745499)
I like the F&F movies - but they've made me embarrassed to outwardly like modified cars

I was with some friends bottling a beer we had brewed early on a Saturday and had to leave because I had an appointment to have my tint installed. Upon telling my non-car friends I had to go and why:

"Well you better leave soon if you want to pick up Vin Diesel and still get there in time."

This was for a TINT application! Never mind a an engine/exhaust/mechanical modification.

So yea, we'd be in a better place. Much better.

Raven 6 05-19-2014 08:03 AM

Keep'em coming. This is turning into a good phycology experiment. Just so we don't get confused about my question, I'm 49 and grew up when 60's American muscle cars in high school was the norm, might fit more into the "Dom" mentality concerning import cars. I like most of the F&F movies for their entertainment value, while I admit I probably would be driving a Mustang instead of the BRZ if it hadn't been for the movies or my old T/C. It drives me to see just what you can get out of a car.

tahdizzle 05-19-2014 12:16 PM

Those movies, while entertaining to some people, changed the enthusiast world and not for the better.


While the first one was okay (the plot was just rediculous) at least it was about the cars. The cars were the stars of the movie. Now the cars are more like movie props to propel the story line.

mav1178 05-19-2014 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad1723 (Post 1745452)
You're missing out :thumbsup:

Am I?

Tell me what I'm missing that I can't get from internet forums, track events, meets, and bi-monthly coverage of a high speed pursuit in Los Angeles County...

-alex

Mad1723 05-19-2014 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 1745958)
Am I?

Tell me what I'm missing that I can't get from internet forums, track events, meets, and bi-monthly coverage of a high speed pursuit in Los Angeles County...

-alex

A culture-defining classic. It spawned a lot of car guys. Not all for the best reasons, but it remains a classic in car culture nonetheless.

It's not perfect, it might not even be that good, but it's a defining moment in the creation of a whole new culture of tuning. :popcorn:

I know it inspired me to drive an interesting car when I could afford it, and the FR-S it is. I don't regret doing it and I'm now fully into tuning that thing to make it mine.

Without F&F, I'd be riding my bike or simply driving the company vehicle. Everyone at work tells me: "You already have the company truck, why would you own a second car?". Logical, but hard to agree with.

This car is my guilty pleasure, my pride and joy and I don't care if it's not a logical choice, I just love this thing with all my heart.

And F&F was the spark plug that ignited my true love of tuning. :D

Cheers!

Andrew025 05-19-2014 02:06 PM

Eh, F&F had nothing to do with me getting in to cars. I've always that it was ridiculous, even when it first came out.
It was mostly helping out my dad.
Going to the junk yard to get parts, talking about the different cars we walk by until we found the one we were looking for, helping him put the parts on.
Playing some Gran Turismo helped too.

lastexile1987 05-19-2014 02:13 PM

I think a better, more universal question would have been:

Where would you be if you had never gotten a toyubaru?

In fact I think I will start that topic...

See y'all there...

ashtray 05-19-2014 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 1745869)
Those movies, while entertaining to some people, changed the enthusiast world and not for the better.


While the first one was okay (the plot was just rediculous) at least it was about the cars. The cars were the stars of the movie. Now the cars are more like movie props to propel the story line.

How exactly was it ok? "Danger to manifold" warning on laptop, then passenger floor panel falls out? (Uh, where exactly is his engine located?) The warning itself was comical (data loggers don't do that...) but the resulting damage was side (and car floor) splitting. "Granny shifting, not double clutching like you're supposed to" - wow, didn't realize they were driving big rigs. So, everyone else double clutched the 3 shifts it would have taken to do a 1/4 mile run?

Oh that's right, it's 15 shifts - and doesn't matter if you have an auto or manual. Seems you short shift the next gear so you can downshift again when someone starts to pass you. Didn't realize they were so concerned about mpg during their drag race.

And nitrous does NOT make everything go blurry UNLESS it was being sprayed inside the car's interior instead of the engine. (Actually that WOULD have been a funny scene: everyone in their cars, shifting 20,000 times, the world around them all blurry, sounds of engines hitting redline - then pan out: cars are all still sitting at the starting line, not moving - people inside baked on nitrous, shifting like crazy and yelling "Monica!". Hahaha)

Note the 1/4 mile race between Dom and Brian lasted far more time than the 10 seconds it should have too.

The comment about the pair of engines fetching a premium the week before Race Wars has been quoted in reference to any car part in joking. And of course the "too soon junior" meme.

It's just endless garbage. Luckily in the second movie, they tried to fix some of that by the "pizza drink" comment and how Brian's cover would be blown if someone didn't know a pizza from an engine - so either EVERYONE in the first movie was undercover FBI, or the general scene people wouldn't know a pizza from a piston either. :p

kalamitykode 05-19-2014 02:23 PM

The series made me like car movies, but it honestly didn't turn me into a car guy. The 86 twins did that, when they were announced. Before that, I was happy driving my shitty Mazda 3 which never got an oil change on time and was running on worn-out tires. Now I'm saving for a carbon fiber hood and doing an extremely in-depth investigation to see what kind of forced induction I should get.

ashtray 05-19-2014 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalamitykode (Post 1746130)
The series made me like car movies, but it honestly didn't turn me into a car guy. The 86 twins did that, when they were announced. Before that, I was happy driving my shitty Mazda 3 which never got an oil change on time and was running on worn-out tires. Now I'm saving for a carbon fiber hood and doing an extremely in-depth investigation to see what kind of forced induction I should get.

How much weight savings (?) is the carbon fiber hood over the stock aluminum one? See, it's movies like this that have people spending money to "improve" their car without knowing if they're making it better or worse.

husker741 05-19-2014 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalamitykode (Post 1746130)
Now I'm saving for a carbon fiber hood

Don't waste your money. Looks stupid and doesn't do much, if anything.

kalamitykode 05-19-2014 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashtray (Post 1746160)
How much weight savings (?) is the carbon fiber hood over the stock aluminum one? See, it's movies like this that have people spending money to "improve" their car without knowing if they're making it better or worse.

I don't like it for the weight savings, I'm very aware that the stock hood is extremely light anyway. I just love the way carbon fiber looks. Call it "rice" or whatever, but it looks good to me so I plan on doing it.

kalamitykode 05-19-2014 02:40 PM

Thanks for the assumptions, though, guys. :)

ashtray 05-19-2014 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalamitykode (Post 1746176)
I don't like it for the weight savings, I'm very aware that the stock hood is extremely light anyway. I just love the way carbon fiber looks. Call it "rice" or whatever, but it looks good to me so I plan on doing it.

Car on fiber if left unpainted will not last long in the elements. Also, aftermarket hoods tend to have fitment issues and require work to get them to sit on right. If the design shape is different (vent holes, etc), you'll be screwing up the wind tunnel tested aerodynamics of the car. The carbon fiber hood might also weigh more than the stock aluminum one.

If you just want a black hood, get it wrapped.

THIS is the problem with F&F, case in point.

Is your car even paid off? If so and you want to improve on things and modify, then spend the money in places where it will improve the car, and not be "race inspired cosmetics". Might as well throw a roll cage made of PVC piping* in the back seat too bc you think it would look cool.

*patent pending!

SirBrass 05-19-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven 6 (Post 1745025)
If we had never seen any of the Fast and Furious Trilogy?

Me, maybe still driving my old pickup.:bonk:

Where I am right now. I've only seen the latest F&F movie.

tahdizzle 05-19-2014 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashtray (Post 1746103)
How exactly was it ok? "Danger to manifold" warning on laptop, then passenger floor panel falls out? (Uh, where exactly is his engine located?) The warning itself was comical (data loggers don't do that...) but the resulting damage was side (and car floor) splitting. "Granny shifting, not double clutching like you're supposed to" - wow, didn't realize they were driving big rigs. So, everyone else double clutched the 3 shifts it would have taken to do a 1/4 mile run?

Oh that's right, it's 15 shifts - and doesn't matter if you have an auto or manual. Seems you short shift the next gear so you can downshift again when someone starts to pass you. Didn't realize they were so concerned about mpg during their drag race.

And nitrous does NOT make everything go blurry UNLESS it was being sprayed inside the car's interior instead of the engine. (Actually that WOULD have been a funny scene: everyone in their cars, shifting 20,000 times, the world around them all blurry, sounds of engines hitting redline - then pan out: cars are all still sitting at the starting line, not moving - people inside baked on nitrous, shifting like crazy and yelling "Monica!". Hahaha)

Note the 1/4 mile race between Dom and Brian lasted far more time than the 10 seconds it should have too.

The comment about the pair of engines fetching a premium the week before Race Wars has been quoted in reference to any car part in joking. And of course the "too soon junior" meme.

It's just endless garbage. Luckily in the second movie, they tried to fix some of that by the "pizza drink" comment and how Brian's cover would be blown if someone didn't know a pizza from an engine - so either EVERYONE in the first movie was undercover FBI, or the general scene people wouldn't know a pizza from a piston either. :p

It was okay as far as entertainment value. Very few things were acurate in the movie :P

Most of the cars in the movie were 14 second cars :p

tahdizzle 05-19-2014 03:34 PM

The only reason why I watched that movie was because I was in the scene back then with my '95 200sx SE-R.

I cried when he said they were putting sr20s in hondas. :'(

kalamitykode 05-19-2014 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashtray (Post 1746290)
Car on fiber if left unpainted will not last long in the elements. Also, aftermarket hoods tend to have fitment issues and require work to get them to sit on right. If the design shape is different (vent holes, etc), you'll be screwing up the wind tunnel tested aerodynamics of the car. The carbon fiber hood might also weigh more than the stock aluminum one.

If you just want a black hood, get it wrapped.

THIS is the problem with F&F, case in point.

Is your car even paid off? If so and you want to improve on things and modify, then spend the money in places where it will improve the car, and not be "race inspired cosmetics". Might as well throw a roll cage made of PVC piping* in the back seat too bc you think it would look cool.

*patent pending!

Did I sign up for a lesson somewhere without realizing it? Someone please take my name off the class list.

Andrew025 05-19-2014 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalamitykode (Post 1746549)
Did I sign up for a lesson somewhere without realizing it? Someone please take my name off the class list.

You can't drop required classes here.

kalamitykode 05-19-2014 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew025 (Post 1746558)
You can't drop required classes here.

Then I'll take my F.

Raven 6 05-19-2014 06:23 PM

EASY everyone. This is just a question, no need to go throat grabbing.:sign0015:
If you've never seen any of the movies, cool, stupid me being at an extended age foolishly thought maybe they inspired many of you to get into these cars, fixing up, making them everything you may have wanted in a ride. I never expect anyone to go out stealing VCR's, radios etc. to pay for your tuning habit, lol, or even steel a 100 million so you can move to any island you want to set your park break on. Like I said, if you don't like the movies, move on, I don't mind if you don't comment. :D

Turbowned 05-19-2014 08:13 PM

I'd probably have a Camaro exactly like this one and still hate imports, haha

http://image.hotrod.com/f/18713277/h...front_view.jpg


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