2015 Model FRS suspension changes
 

Does anyone have any specifics regarding the 2015 FRS suspension changes? They've said changes will be made to improve the "stability" of the handling. I assume decreased dampening in the rear and maybe stiffer front springs, but does anyone know exactly what has changed?

Nothing specific yet. But I personally think that Toyota decided to outfit the FRS with the BRZ's superior(IMO) shock/spring setup. You know, to prevent idiots from wrapping their brand new cars around unsuspecting trees.

The dampers are now made by Sachs (replaces Showa, IIRC) and the redesigned suspension bolts.

Probably just the bolts.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64039

Correct.

The FRS' don't spin because of their spring rates, they spin because people don't know how to drive RWD cars.

My car on stock springs but stickier tires was definitely easier to get pushing than to get it to spin when driven properly (ie not hammering on the gas mid corner). On the Swift FRS rate springs it's even easier to get it pushing, even on a wet skidpad.

Definitely agree with that. However, compared to most cars on the road, the Twins are significantly easier to induce oversteer. Even more so with the FRS. Pair it with economy tires, and it's a recipe for disaster with wannabe drifters. While I don't agree with Toyota's decision to neuter the FRS' suspension, I understand the need for them to cover their asses. It was bound to happen. Remember the AP1 S2000?

Where did you get the info on the Sachs dampers?

I have a feeling the changes over time will be similar to the S2000s. Just small changes to the springs/dampers but the chassis/engine will remain the same.

Just FYI, MY2014 models already use the updated bolts. If you call your local Subaru parts dealer, the MY2014 models will have different part numbers compared to the MY2013. I forgot to ask if the dampers and springs were the same though.

Can they get them?

Where is our dear departed Suberman when we need him! :D

But wait, that is why I wanted the FR-S to begin with...I hate unsuspecting trees. Always in the middle of the road, just standing there....

that is sick.

It's mentioned in a few of those press release blog sites and I've seen a few photos floating around, but here's the one I was able to find in a quick search.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=48

It's not explicitly called out as "Sachs" in the official press release, but it's no secret that Tada-san has been testing a new suspension produced by Sachs for a couple years now. A quick google search will yield a decent amount of information related to it.

http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/jp/detail/1637301/

It looks like the Sachs dampers are only a part of #3 with the BBS 18" wheels...perhaps a special BBS or TRD upgrade/trim that will only be available in Japan. I really doubt we'll get the Sachs dampers in the US. US always get's the shitty/missing parts, and those Sachs dampers will be just another "JDM" part in the future that we US people have to buy on these forums I bet lol.

According to Toyota, the dampers are not an "upgrade" item, as all Toyota 86 (sold in the EU, Aus, and Asian markets) will be fitted with them from the factory. However, I have not seen/heard/read any confirmation that they will be on the FR-S or BRZ models.

Personally, I'm very intrigued. I would like try them. I thought the stock suspension was very good, and these are supposed to be even better.

S2000's were pretty aggressive with lift oversteer, which led to a lot of spins (and crashes). I don't find that the FR-S much like that at all.

I have not seen/heard/read any confirmation for the BRZ either. However, even a non-adjustable Sachs suspension is considered to be a much more expensive comparing to the older solution. It would be strange to include it only on the Toyota 86, given that the other models have similar price range.

A bit more here: http://blog.caranddriver.com/if-your...sion-for-2015/