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D88 05-14-2014 04:22 AM
GT86 vs Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.6 R
 
I've seen a lot of reviews comparing the GT86 to the Genesis 2.0T but very few comparing it to Hyundai's Genesis Coupe 3.6 R. The 3.6 R is still very similarly priced so I feel it is an honest contender. What's the scoop on this comparison?

husker741 05-14-2014 04:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D88 (Post 1735761)
I've seen a lot of reviews comparing the GT86 to the Genesis 2.0T but very few comparing it to Hyundai's Genesis Coupe 3.6 R. The 3.6 R is still very similarly priced so I feel it is an honest contender. What's the scoop on this comparison?
It's faster, but it's a fat pig and can't corner worth shit. It's straight line performance is probably the only performance aspect that the Genesis wins in. It is also more of a touring car than a sports coupe.

/thread

D88 05-14-2014 10:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1735764)
It's faster, but it's a fat pig and can't corner worth shit. It's straight line performance is probably the only performance aspect that the Genesis wins in. It is also more of a touring car than a sports coupe.

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Fair enough. This was my own impression too but here's what a Genesis owner said about the car (I know he will be biased but I really want to know if there is some merit to what he claims):

Quote:
The Genesis coupe 3.8 R-Spec is the same price as the BRZ limited; the 3.8 drives MUCH differently than the 2.0T (I have owned both). The 3.8 r-spec is not only MASSIVELY faster and better equipped, it too can be slide happy and just as controllable as the BRZ; So while it is larger, heavier, and has a real back seat; it also generates 80%+ more power, grips better, stops better, and turns better than the twins.
If you are looking in that sub-30k market, and you MUST buy new, the 3.8 R-Spec is hands down the better car, and the better value; if you are look sub-30k and you are open to used and in the USA, the answer is always Corvette.
To which I argued:

Have you even driven a BRZ/FRS for any length of time? Have you read or viewed ANY reviews comparing the two?
If you're a horsepower junky then yes I will agree that the Genesis is hands down the car to buy. It's great for highway and city streets when you want that hard acceleration and it won't let you down in that department.
You can owe the better stopping and grip power to the better tires on the Genesis. While I don't agree with their choice of tires for the FRS, it was all due to making it a fun car to drive by encouraging tail happiness. For this reason, its difficult to compare the two cars in this regard. They seem to approach the driving experience quite differently.
It's when it comes to handling that I have to disagree with your conclusion. The Genesis is widely known to have problems in this department. Read/watch any review and there is always a point about the Genesis' lack of predictability, its bulkiness constantly showing and its inability to put down the power when you expect it.
Additionally, during spirited driving, the Genesis exhibits problems of early brake fade and the gearbox feels mushy and vague in the gear changes in comparison to an FRS.
The FRS/BRZ has been lauded for its nimbleness and predictability in the corners, its lightweight feel and sharp handling as well as a solid gearbox. Its downfall is clearly the lack of power in the straights which turns a lot of people off so for anyone looking to buy either a Genesis or FRS/BRZ, it comes down to what driving style you prefer. In any case, I don't think either one offers the best of both worlds straight from the factory.

And his inevitable response:

Quote:
Yes I have; and I don't put a whole lot of stock in most reviews, as they are normally not worth the paper they are printed on. Especially in magazines and website that take marketing money from the companies that produce the cars they are reviewing. That is why you never see a 3.8 R-Spec test against a BRZ limited, despite the fact that they share a price tag.
I disagree with you, I have never heard any, nor have I in the hundreds of laps I have done in our own genesis have ever seen any hit of "lack of predictability"; the car is very predictable, from the factory, It will under-steer on turn in and rotate under power. It is VERY controllable and predictable.
The 3.8 R-Spec hands the twins their ass in every way in terms of performance and yes, IMHO even handling. The twins are good for those that want to drift around at 30mph on prius tires; but the ability to drift easily is not what I define as good handling. I want to see braking performance, stability, and mechanical grip in the suspension.
beyond hoon drifting in parking lots, the twins make excellent trainers for young drivers who are learning how to drive a RWD car. They however are not quick, and if you replace the tires with sticky ones, you completely jack the handling up; so they are an expensive tuning platform (both are equally shitting tuning platforms.)
In the interest of honesty, from the factory, The Gen coupe R-spec has a few things that need to be addressed before it really shows is worth, especially on the track.
1) The factory brake pads use 65% of the available pad to rotor contact patch. Buy some real pads that use the entire contact patch and the Brembo brakes shine.
2.) The car has staggered tire fitment from the factory to supply intentional turn in under-steer. Change all 4 tires to a 255 wide, sticky compound and this turn in under-steer goes away and it becomes neutral. (you can use the factory 19" rims)
3.) The car comes with camber bolts, but they are not installed (in a box in the glove box). You need to put them in and adjust the front camber to fine tune the turn in to your liking.
4.) An ECU Flash does WONDERS for the engine and throttle response
I like the twins, but they are just too slow, and honestly, I feel they are over priced. You get more of everything for you dollar on the Gen Coupe, and it is a much faster, better sports car all around, as well as a more comfortable car to commute in everyday (with a functional back seat).
Now if you were to say, what is the best sports car I can buy under 30k, I wouldn't recommend either of the two, I would tell you to go buy a 2008+ C6 Corvette with Z51, or an 02-04 C5 Z06 Corvette...
He seems to believe the exact opposite of what you claim and bases this on having driven a BRZ to compare with. What he said comes off as very opinion based especially when he instantly refutes anything that the reviewers have been saying (without evidence) stating that reviewers are just bought out by companies to favour one car over the other.

I found his inclusion of mods to make it better laughable and a futile argument but ignoring that annoyance, does anything else he said have truth to it?

jebuwh 05-14-2014 12:31 PM
I've driven both. Quite a bit. Not a chance in hell does the genesis handle better. It literally is a pig. Huge, heavy, bulky in every way. Sticky tires on the twins loses the slidey factor but the grip handling is epic. I drove both cars back to back in some canyons, and I would choose the twins every time.

AllDayJonRay 05-14-2014 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D88 (Post 1735920)
Genesis Guy - "In the interest of honesty, from the factory, The Gen coupe R-spec has a few things that need to be addressed before it really shows is worth, especially on the track.
1) The factory brake pads use 65% of the available pad to rotor contact patch. Buy some real pads that use the entire contact patch and the Brembo brakes shine.
2.) The car has staggered tire fitment from the factory to supply intentional turn in under-steer. Change all 4 tires to a 255 wide, sticky compound and this turn in under-steer goes away and it becomes neutral. (you can use the factory 19" rims)
3.) The car comes with camber bolts, but they are not installed (in a box in the glove box). You need to put them in and adjust the front camber to fine tune the turn in to your liking.
4.) An ECU Flash does WONDERS for the engine and throttle response."
He accepts that these things need to be addressed for the Genesis to "show it's worth", and we have to assume that he's only giving his opinion based on the cars performance after these modifications are made, yet he is unwilling to consider any of the same modifications for the twins, ignorantly claiming:

Quote:
They however are not quick, and if you replace the tires with sticky ones, you completely jack the handling up
^^ This is an asinine claim, increasing the grip equally at all four corners does not 'completely jack the handling up'. It's funny that he's willing to make such a claim about molesting the cars intended handling performance by increasing grip equally all around, yet he finds it acceptable to remove the factory equipped staggered stance for a larger square stance.

If you're going to consider the Genesis in modified form, you should consider the 86 in comparable modified form. I have no doubt that the twin's handling outclasses the Genesis' on stock form. This would only be more pronounced if both had 255's all around, lol.

He's a jackass. He's in love with his Genesis, the same as we are in love with our 86's. He's not going to concede a single point, because he wants what he drives to be the better of the two. :cheers:

RoadKillGrill 05-14-2014 12:54 PM
I test drove one while looking at the BRZ, but due to incentives and other things settled on a FRS 10 series.

For reference my daily driver was an 1987 MR2.

The Genisis on first impressions looks pretty good. It has power, and the interior looks nice. It was nice to be able to sit a person in the back seat.

But the ride quality on it was not so great, the roads around the dealership are full of cracks and potholes. The seat become uncomfortable and the car was oscillating on the bumps. The shifting didn't feel right, I didn't like the stock nob either and was planning to change it off asap.
The steering was the main part I was unhappy about, its a constant numb experience. I never felt I had direct control over the car, it felt like driving a cheap PC racing wheel with the force feedback on a constant pressure.

The gauges and stuff look cool with just window shopping the car but when driving are irrelevant, they are in the middle and too low to look at if you are driving so i guess its a show for your passengers.

The dealer was pressuring me into a buy to not go across the street to the Toyota/Sion dealer across the road but I did anyway. Driving the FRS on the same crappy roads really made it clear which one I'd enjoy more every day. The steering felt better the seats hugged me perfectly and the shifting was great. The A huge blocking pillar on the shoulder check was the only thing I initially didn't like on the FRS.

DarkSunrise 05-14-2014 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D88 (Post 1735920)
Fair enough. This was my own impression too but here's what a Genesis owner said about the car (I know he will be biased but I really want to know if there is some merit to what he claims):



To which I argued:

Have you even driven a BRZ/FRS for any length of time? Have you read or viewed ANY reviews comparing the two?
If you're a horsepower junky then yes I will agree that the Genesis is hands down the car to buy. It's great for highway and city streets when you want that hard acceleration and it won't let you down in that department.
You can owe the better stopping and grip power to the better tires on the Genesis. While I don't agree with their choice of tires for the FRS, it was all due to making it a fun car to drive by encouraging tail happiness. For this reason, its difficult to compare the two cars in this regard. They seem to approach the driving experience quite differently.
It's when it comes to handling that I have to disagree with your conclusion. The Genesis is widely known to have problems in this department. Read/watch any review and there is always a point about the Genesis' lack of predictability, its bulkiness constantly showing and its inability to put down the power when you expect it.
Additionally, during spirited driving, the Genesis exhibits problems of early brake fade and the gearbox feels mushy and vague in the gear changes in comparison to an FRS.
The FRS/BRZ has been lauded for its nimbleness and predictability in the corners, its lightweight feel and sharp handling as well as a solid gearbox. Its downfall is clearly the lack of power in the straights which turns a lot of people off so for anyone looking to buy either a Genesis or FRS/BRZ, it comes down to what driving style you prefer. In any case, I don't think either one offers the best of both worlds straight from the factory.

And his inevitable response:



He seems to believe the exact opposite of what you claim and bases this on having driven a BRZ to compare with. What he said comes off as very opinion based especially when he instantly refutes anything that the reviewers have been saying (without evidence) stating that reviewers are just bought out by companies to favour one car over the other.

I found his inclusion of mods to make it better laughable and a futile argument but ignoring that annoyance, does anything else he said have truth to it?
Why does he think a 3.8 r-spec with a heavier engine up front on an already front-heavy chassis will handle better than a lighter 2.0t r-spec?

And as you already know from any number of track comparisons out there, the 2.0t r-spec is a much flabbier/duller car on the track compared to the FR-S.

R.S-HawK 05-24-2014 10:21 PM
I just swapped from an FR-S to a Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec about three weeks ago. Owned the FR-S for almost a year, but have not owned the Genesis Coupe long enough to make good judgement of the driving experience it provides, therefore will keep it very short.
  • Yes, the Gen Coupe R 3.8 is far more powerful. If you really want to get into it, it all comes down to the figures, 348hp vs 197hp. 297ft-lb torque vs 151ft-lb of torque. 2.7 second difference to 60.
In the handling department however, there is (literally) no comparison.
  • The FR-S handles like a dream. It was built to be more nimble. It is far smaller, and far lighter. The FR-S is a driver's car. Everyone here knows that, and therefore I'll leave it at that.
  • The Genesis Coupe, on the other hand, is a Grand Touring Coupe. It is a big car, but it handles well. The 3.8L V6 is fantastic. The suspension is far softer (even in the R-Spec), and in exchange you're given a very good but rather disconnected ride that is complemented with a excellent interior. Putting it through a corner is not as effortless nor as entertaining as the FR-S, and because of the difference in suspension tuning and weight, you don't get the same feel for the speed of the vehicle.
With that being said, the reality here is that outside of their price, these two cars are not direct competitors.
  • The FR-S is light, nimble and has a stiff suspension. Infinitely entertaining to drive. Far more like the S2000 and Miata than the Genesis Coupe.
  • The Genesis Coupe is a Grand Tourer, with the R-Spec trim being an attempt to make it more of a driver's car (Six Speed Manual, Race-Tuned Suspension, LSD, Brembo Brakes, 19" Wheels). It competes with everyone, and no one. You certainly get a very complete package for the price though, one that's more in line to compete with the likes of the Infiniti G37 (or the new Q50) and BMW 435i.
Which one is better? You're comparing apples to oranges. Regardless, the point I try to make every time I get into argument about two or more different vehicles: It's all a matter of personal needs and/or preferences.

If I had the chance to, I'd own both.

RS.

Venator 05-24-2014 11:23 PM
I know that this is of a 2.0T GC but the comparison is pretty good.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...or_comparison/

speargunsandracecars 05-25-2014 12:58 AM
Never been a fan of the Genesis. I wouldn't buy one personally, but I am glad that it's being made. Hyundai did good work with their 1st sportscar offering. I imagine that the next generation, if there is one, will be better. In the end though, despite the similarities, they are different cars. The Genesis is more competitive with V6 Mustangs and Camaros.

Burrcold 05-25-2014 01:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by noobcake (Post 1758182)
I dont know, But I was in an unfamiliar area recently and accidentally accelerated in front of a genesis while on the freeway, he was merging and it became one line. And this guy followed me up my a$$ until I got off the freeway and then eventually made a right turn to the gas station. Scared me for a bit. Thought it was going to end in some sort of physical confrontation but looks like he was in a hurry for some gas.
Not sure how this has any relevance to the topic.

glorydays 05-26-2014 09:46 PM
i love the look on genesis owner's faces when they see me and realize that they bought the wrong car. All i can think is... Too soon junior.

Reaper 05-26-2014 09:55 PM
i looked at the hyundai and then i also looked at FullBlownMotorsports 520WHP Stock motor dyno. Then i bough my frs and called fullblown. HP problems solved, and i still out corner the hyundai.

jflogerzi 05-26-2014 10:26 PM
The genesis coupe either 2.0T or 3.6 are great grand touring cars. I see them in the same light as the G37's. Great power, smooth, nice interiors, but numb. Not a sports car.

civdaddy 05-26-2014 11:18 PM
*3.8

chas3wba0 05-27-2014 02:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by civdaddy (Post 1760698)
*3.8
gg

blackhawkdown 05-27-2014 07:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaper (Post 1760579)
i looked at the hyundai and then i also looked at FullBlownMotorsports 520WHP Stock motor dyno. Then i bough my frs and called fullblown. HP problems solved, and i still out corner the hyundai.
true, you are probably faster but $ for $ against the gensis, you went over the price point.

Twin4Life 05-27-2014 10:47 AM
Coming from a 2013 6 Speed Nissan 370Z to a '14 3.8 Genesis Grand Touring with 8 speed auto and having a bit of seat time in the 86's, street and track at Sebring International...the Z was way too focused, too hardcore for everyday livability. This coming from a Z owner for the last 12 years..280, 300, 350 and 370Z. EASILY the quickest, fastest and grippiest of the three but too high strung. The 3.8 I just bought..love it. I have all the tech goodies, real leather everywhere, GORGEOUS interior, moonroof and 95% of the Z's performance with 200% comfort. The Z is definitely faster off the line than the 3.8 but im certain (butt dyno anyway) from maybe 45+ mph in the 3.8, it will pull on a Z. At speed the car just HAULS. Finally, I can sip my coffee driving to work at 515 in the morning. The 86's were the MOST fun on a track Ive ever had, so flickable and tossable, I couldnt stop grinning. On the street, its so so. I live in Florida, might as well be Montana for the straights and flats, though the limited time on the street with it on the curvy roads was an ABSOLUTE blast. The turn in and response is dare I say it, Porsche like. Alas, Im getting old(er), the lack of power, amenities and harsh ride were not agreeing with me.

blackhawkdown 05-27-2014 12:28 PM
They hyundai website is funny. the genesis cover says it has more hp then a FR-S and has brembo brakes which the FR-S doesn't have. Anyways, just found out on the website that it has Rev-Matching like the 370z. Interesting

tennisfreak 05-27-2014 01:35 PM
I test drove a 3.8 R Spec and considered it.

What I could not get over was the goofy ass catfish face front end. If they had just left the thing alone. The stupid fake and plastic inserts on the hood were just too much.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608...d=1.9&rs=0&p=0

speargunsandracecars 05-27-2014 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tennisfreak (Post 1761607)
I test drove a 3.8 R Spec and considered it.

What I could not get over was the goofy ass catfish face front end. If they had just left the thing alone. The stupid fake and plastic inserts on the hood were just too much.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608...d=1.9&rs=0&p=0

It's not a good looking car IMO.

blackhawkdown 05-27-2014 01:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tennisfreak (Post 1761607)
I test drove a 3.8 R Spec and considered it.

What I could not get over was the goofy ass catfish face front end. If they had just left the thing alone. The stupid fake and plastic inserts on the hood were just too much.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608...d=1.9&rs=0&p=0
http://www.catfishholewv.com/wp-cont...04/catfish.jpg

makes sense

frsinpa 05-27-2014 02:12 PM
Honestly, looks were a big thing that held me back from the Genesis too.

Amazing HP and interior looks nice, but exterior just doesn't do it for me. Looks very cheap / plastic'ey

Twin4Life 05-27-2014 02:25 PM
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Yea, Im not thrilled with the front end at all, good thing I sit in it and not on it. Lord help the people I crash into though. What a way to go. LOL. I LOVE the interior though. These pics dont do it justice.

frsinpa 05-27-2014 02:48 PM
Yep, definitely a great interior. Exterior can always be fixed with body kits too

continuecrushing 05-27-2014 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhawkdown (Post 1761462)
They hyundai website is funny. the genesis cover says it has more hp then a FR-S and has brembo brakes which the FR-S doesn't have. Anyways, just found out on the website that it has Rev-Matching like the 370z. Interesting
lol...almost everything has more hp than us lol.

And I love how they also throw in the 50k Infiniti Q60 as a comparison haha


There are some angles the Gen coupe looks good, but so many angles that it just looks bland/bloated

Frost 05-27-2014 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 1761836)
lol...almost everything has more hp than us lol.

And I love how they also throw in the 50k Infiniti Q60 as a comparison haha


There are some angles the Gen coupe looks good, but so many angles that it just looks bland/bloated
Honestly, if you are considering the Genesis GT coupe, you should also look at the new EcoBoost 'stang. That thing is an apples to apples comparo with the GT coupe and looks way better imho.

Davey 05-27-2014 03:51 PM
Well here's a completely subjective and biased response... The Geness is basically a copy of a 370Z, except it's even more bloated and heavy, handles worse, has a worse engine, and is uglier, and is made by a company that couldn't get driving dynamics right if you held a gun to their head. The 370Z isn't as fun to drive as the BRZ/FR-S so there is not a chance in hell that a knock-off made to undercut Nissan's price while delivering better specs on paper would ever be even 80% as good. If you feel the need to push your gas pedal to the floor at every stop light and out-race trucks and minivans because you have a small penis, the Genesis might be the better car for you.

In all seriousness, the Genesis is a completely different kind of car and I really don't believe it's meant to deliver a great experience on a track, nor do I think it will. If it is intended to deliver a great track experience, I think Hyundai failed. Then again, I have never driven one, so I have no idea what I'm talking about. :D

phobos512 05-27-2014 04:07 PM
I very nearly bought a 3.8 Track. I was doing a bundle-buy of two vehicles as a trade for my Ram 2500 (having a single vehicle between us wasn't working).

I could never get over the looks of the Gennie. Just not a pretty car. That's subjective, obviously. And yes, it had plenty of power, but the fuel economy readings I was seeing on the extended test drives I took (3.8 and 2.0T) were shockingly bad. It had plenty of gadgets as well (thogh I'm going to say I think the HP/TQ meter in the 2.0T is just silliness). Didn't like the blue backlighting really but that's not really a selling point for me. The 2.0T felt very turbo laggy to me (this was in an auto - I didn't learn how to drive manual until I brought home the FR-S).

I thought that the Genesis was a fun car to drive until I drove the BRZ, at which point I was blown away, having experienced what a light simple vehicle can bring to the table. I've been spoiled my last three cars with gadgets but the truth is I don't need 'em. I wanted to try a different philosophy of vehicles and that's what took me in the direction of the twins (I ended up with the FR-S only by virtue of the local Subaru dealer only being willing to bend me over rather than work with me).

Anyway, Genesis a nice car, yes. But wholly different type of car.

We did buy a Hyundai also, though. A Sonata Hybrid Limited. We're seeing 46 MPG on the non-local roads (can't call them highways around here, they still have lots of lights) with 2500 MI on the clock and it keeps getting better.

Twin4Life 05-27-2014 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Davey (Post 1761953)
Well here's a completely subjective and biased response... The Geness is basically a copy of a 370Z, except it's even more bloated and heavy, handles worse, has a worse engine, and is uglier, and is made by a company that couldn't get driving dynamics right if you held a gun to their head. The 370Z isn't as fun to drive as the BRZ/FR-S so there is not a chance in hell that a knock-off made to undercut Nissan's price while delivering better specs on paper would ever be even 80% as good. If you feel the need to push your gas pedal to the floor at every stop light and out-race trucks and minivans because you have a small penis, the Genesis might be the better car for you.

In all seriousness, the Genesis is a completely different kind of car and I really don't believe it's meant to deliver a great experience on a track, nor do I think it will. If it is intended to deliver a great track experience, I think Hyundai failed. Then again, I have never driven one, so I have no idea what I'm talking about. :D
LOL, That final sentence summed it up. I owned a 370 and these cars couldnt be further apart in characteristics. I traded a die hard, focused sports car for a comfortable GT. I was under no illusions about what I was giving up and gaining. A main reason I gave the Z up was every riced out BRZ/FRS wanted to race their little eco boxes at 530 in the morning. They were like annoying little mice, just yapping. Its not as bad now in my "small penis" Genesis, and I can relax on my way in. Still happens and still utterly embarrass them when I feel like it.

Twin4Life 05-27-2014 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost (Post 1761926)
Honestly, if you are considering the Genesis GT coupe, you should also look at the new EcoBoost 'stang. That thing is an apples to apples comparo with the GT coupe and looks way better imho.
Meh, I see DOZENS of Stangs a day. Im a gear head and couldnt care less if its GT500 or a base 6. Same with Vettes. Might as well be Camry's.

zdr93523 05-27-2014 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twin4Life (Post 1761289)
Coming from a 2013 6 Speed Nissan 370Z to a '14 3.8 Genesis Grand Touring with 8 speed auto and having a bit of seat time in the 86's, street and track at Sebring International...the Z was way too focused, too hardcore for everyday livability. This coming from a Z owner for the last 12 years..280, 300, 350 and 370Z. EASILY the quickest, fastest and grippiest of the three but too high strung. The 3.8 I just bought..love it. I have all the tech goodies, real leather everywhere, GORGEOUS interior, moonroof and 95% of the Z's performance with 200% comfort. The Z is definitely faster off the line than the 3.8 but im certain (butt dyno anyway) from maybe 45+ mph in the 3.8, it will pull on a Z. At speed the car just HAULS. Finally, I can sip my coffee driving to work at 515 in the morning. The 86's were the MOST fun on a track Ive ever had, so flickable and tossable, I couldnt stop grinning. On the street, its so so. I live in Florida, might as well be Montana for the straights and flats, though the limited time on the street with it on the curvy roads was an ABSOLUTE blast. The turn in and response is dare I say it, Porsche like. Alas, Im getting old(er), the lack of power, amenities and harsh ride were not agreeing with me.

I agree with everything you said. I was looking for more of a pure sports car, where the Genesis, and really the 370Z, are more like GT cars. When I drove the Genesis, the one word I kept coming up with to describe it was, "Almost." There still are some touches in the styling and in the cabin that seem cheap to me when comparing it to something like the Z. The BRZ Limited has most of the features anyone would want and that is why we chose it over the FRS.

Khyron686 05-27-2014 05:13 PM
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...14/frs-gc2.jpg

I LIKE the look of the original GC. I like the new facelift even more especially in red. I like Hyundai (had a Santa Fe at the time). I really wanted to buy a GC. But it's too big, too heavy, the manual shifter is like a stick in a bag of marbles and while you'd THINK the backseat is bigger, my head hits the rear glass (5'7") in the GC while it doesn't hit in the FR-S. More leg room though for sure. It's the Korean Mustang. So if I wanted that size, power, etc I'd buy a Mustang GT.

The other stupid thing is the brace bar across the back seat. You can fold them down but good luck getting more than a ski or two through. The FR-S has way more practical space (bike, tires etc) with the seats down which I found surprising.

Frost 05-27-2014 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twin4Life (Post 1762013)
Meh, I see DOZENS of Stangs a day. Im a gear head and couldnt care less if its GT500 or a base 6. Same with Vettes. Might as well be Camry's.
So? Unless you drive a kit car, there's bound to be someone else with the same car as you. Stop buying into this "exclusive" thing - no car out there that is NOT six digits or more is anywhere near exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Khyron686 (Post 1762162)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...14/frs-gc2.jpg

I LIKE the look of the original GC. I like the new facelift even more especially in red. I like Hyundai (had a Santa Fe at the time). I really wanted to buy a GC. But it's too big, too heavy, the manual shifter is like a stick in a bag of marbles and while you'd THINK the backseat is bigger, my head hits the rear glass (5'7") in the GC while it doesn't hit in the FR-S. More leg room though for sure. It's the Korean Mustang. So if I wanted that size, power, etc I'd buy a Mustang GT.

The other stupid thing is the brace bar across the back seat. You can fold them down but good luck getting more than a ski or two through. The FR-S has way more practical space (bike, tires etc) with the seats down which I found surprising.
Korean Mustang - that's true!

Btw, I sat in a GC and I absolutely hate that shifter knob. It literally stabs my palm when I slap it down a gear quickly. Doesn't conform to my hand at all! Doesn't help that it feels... weird? Bag of marbles I guess is a good description.

Davey 05-27-2014 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin4Life (Post 1762000)
LOL, That final sentence summed it up. I owned a 370 and these cars couldnt be further apart in characteristics. I traded a die hard, focused sports car for a comfortable GT. I was under no illusions about what I was giving up and gaining. A main reason I gave the Z up was every riced out BRZ/FRS wanted to race their little eco boxes at 530 in the morning. They were like annoying little mice, just yapping. Its not as bad now in my "small penis" Genesis, and I can relax on my way in. Still happens and still utterly embarrass them when I feel like it.
Meh, you should have kept the 370Z, it's a much cooler car than the Genesis... Maybe a touring/sport/AT if you want something cushy. I never had any problems with anyone trying to race me. :iono:

Twin4Life 05-27-2014 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by zdr93523 (Post 1762154)
I agree with everything you said. I was looking for more of a pure sports car, where the Genesis, and really the 370Z, are more like GT cars. When I drove the Genesis, the one word I kept coming up with to describe it was, "Almost." There still are some touches in the styling and in the cabin that seem cheap to me when comparing it to something like the Z. The BRZ premium has most of the features anyone would want and that is why we chose it over the FRS.
I agree 100%. The 3.8 is a heavy sucker. You really feel it too. Do I wish it were lighter? You bet? Do I care that much? No. But for less than $34k fully loaded, and it's NOT a Mustang. It is an "almost" car. Totally. It's the things I was looking for at the time that became the "it" car. Power. Check. But most importantly the interior and comfort, and tech. If I wanted pure speed, I would have kept my ten month old Z. If I wanted pure, light handling, I would have gotten the BRZ. IF I had $75k to drop on a car I'd have gotten an M4. Lol.

zdr93523 05-27-2014 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin4Life (Post 1762339)
I agree 100%. The 3.8 is a heavy sucker. You really feel it too. Do I wish it were lighter? You bet? Do I care that much? No. But for less than $34k fully loaded, and it's NOT a Mustang. It is an "almost" car. Totally. It's the things I was looking for at the time that became the "it" car. Power. Check. But most importantly the interior and comfort, and tech. If I wanted pure speed, I would have kept my ten month old Z. If I wanted pure, light handling, I would have gotten the BRZ. IF I had $75k to drop on a car I'd have gotten an M4. Lol.
Exactly. I really think the GC 3.8 compares most closely with the G37. So in that case it's a question of whether the extra $20k is worth it to you for the extra refinement.

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Twin4Life 05-27-2014 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Davey (Post 1762278)
Meh, you should have kept the 370Z, it's a much cooler car than the Genesis... Maybe a touring/sport/AT if you want something cushy. I never had any problems with anyone trying to race me. :iono:
I don't care about what's cooler. The Touring Z with Auto is still too harsh, the seats are too firm and interior not appointed as well the 3.8. And it's 10 grand more comparably equipped!! The 3.8 was perfect for me. I dunno, maybe next year I'll get a new car if I don't like this any longer. Or maybe, praying, if a real STI version of the Twins come to fruition I'll have that as my sports car for the weekend and keep my comfy 3.8 for the week. I could see that. Assuming they don't feck up the feel the 86 has now.

Twin4Life 05-27-2014 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by zdr93523 (Post 1762357)
Exactly. I really think the GC 3.8 compares most closely with the G37. So in that case it's a question of whether the extra $20k is worth it to you for the extra refinement.

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Yep. Exactly. Ever drive the 37? $20k more than the 3.8 and I honestly think the interior is better on the 3.8. Not to mention it was rather bland to drive. I WANTED to love it, had the Z at the time my wife and I were shopping for a new car for her. Didn't blow me away at all. Got her a '13 Volvo S60. God, I love that car. Now that's comfy.

zdr93523 05-27-2014 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin4Life (Post 1762368)
Yep. Exactly. Ever drive the 37? $20k more than the 3.8 and I honestly think the interior is better on the 3.8. Not to mention it was rather bland to drive. I WANTED to love it, had the Z at the time my wife and I were shopping for a new car for her. Didn't blow me away at all. Got her a '13 Volvo S60. God, I love that car. Now that's comfy.
Yea, I've driven both. It's definitely more numb than the Z. I prefer the Infiniti interior to the Genesis though.

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