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350matt 05-13-2014 01:13 PM

Cosworth Power Package/Parts Teased
 
Chaps

looks like Cosworth might have something for sale soon

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AaxE0yb5d4"]Cosworth Power Packages - Summer 2014 - YouTube[/ame]

No Limit Motorsport 05-13-2014 01:14 PM

My rep told me they are releasing staged power packages soon. Exhaust, intake (filter? which already exists), maybe ECU flash etc

Tainen 05-13-2014 01:15 PM

Ha. nice. Excited to see what new parts this entails! :)


Way to go Nameless! Great to see a local community oriented shop aligning with a name like Cosworth.

Freeman 05-13-2014 01:41 PM

Was that an intake manifold I spotted in that teaser?

350matt 05-13-2014 01:49 PM

looks like a supercharger too

Digitalanalog 05-13-2014 01:51 PM

that was a pretty epic video for a teaser

OrbitalEllipses 05-13-2014 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 350matt (Post 1734091)
looks like a supercharger too

Looked like a PD blower to me, but I wasn't sure if it was just me.

D K 05-13-2014 03:20 PM

I wonder if their stage one will cost more than the price of the car?

OrbitalEllipses 05-13-2014 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D K (Post 1734386)
I wonder if their stage one will cost more than the price of the car?

Only with the included stickers.

Calum 05-13-2014 04:21 PM

Agreed, looked like a positive displacement blower.

DatApex 05-13-2014 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport (Post 1733985)
My rep told me they are releasing staged power packages soon. Exhaust, intake (filter? which already exists), maybe ECU flash etc

Nameless has also hinted at some "big news for NA folks" for a while, but has been tight lipped about it. Might be seeing something a bit more unconventional?

OICU812 05-13-2014 05:57 PM

Anything they bring out for NA to get decent gains will cost what FI does or more anyhow. As far as what FI they'll do "if they are" it would need to be pretty epic in the already flooded market and options existing. We'll see but the fancy teaser video didn't show me anything other then someone's good editing skills.

Calum 05-13-2014 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OICU812 (Post 1734785)
Anything they bring out for NA to get decent gains will cost what FI does or more anyhow. As far as what FI they'll do "if they are" it would need to be pretty epic in the already flooded market and options existing. We'll see but the fancy teaser video didn't show me anything other then someone's good editing skills.

Dude, eat a Snickers.

husker741 05-13-2014 06:03 PM

It seems they're a little late to the party.

OICU812 05-13-2014 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 1734797)
Dude, eat a Snickers.

Lol true. Just hype videos and blabbering don't provide a chub for me these days I suppose. Rather see actual existing product pics or even development pics along with some proven results. With so many aftermarket products existing now a video doesent say "we're" better even if it has dub step music to get you wiggling? :D

We know already what's out there what the gains are from what exists. So let's say like FBM that cosworth is building a manifold with longer runners etc aka: like Crawford blocks idea..ok... What else pistons, cams, rods etc... Point is now even if "we could see" say 230hp that cost including labor for most will far exceed that of FI so it becomes senseless IMO is all. And in regards to their SC well there's only so many ways to do it unless they've revolutionized something? I dunno not trying to be negative to be honest just seems too many peeps are wacking off to a music video, me I'd rather see parts, real parts in a video being tested with some results, hell I don't need music either. :)

OICU812 05-13-2014 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1734799)
It seems they're a little late to the party.

Just a little um ya....:)

Decay107 05-13-2014 06:09 PM

Looks like full exhaust with the current rev nameless long tube header and a FP/OP combo with a cat and a modified (from current nameless design) spherical resonator, a PD supercharger, flywheel, and sticker package.

D K 05-13-2014 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 1734436)
Only with the included stickers.

They are actually called bold new graphics

speargunsandracecars 05-13-2014 06:13 PM

I'd take a catback made by Cosworth.

Calum 05-13-2014 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OICU812 (Post 1734804)
Lol true. Just hype videos and blabbering don't provide a chub for me these days I suppose. Rather see actual existing product pics or even development pics along with some proven results. With so many aftermarket products existing now a video doesent say "we're" better even if it has dub step music to get you wiggling? :D

We know already what's out there what the gains are from what exists. So let's say like FBM that cosworth is building a manifold with longer runners etc aka: like Crawford blocks idea..ok... What else pistons, cams, rods etc... Point is now even if "we could see" say 230hp that cost including labor for most will far exceed that of FI so it becomes senseless IMO is all. And in regards to their SC well there's only so many ways to do it unless they've revolutionized something? I dunno not trying to be negative to be honest just seems too many peeps are wacking off to a music video, me I'd rather see parts, real parts in a video being tested with some results, hell I don't need music either. :)

Oh I agree completely, well almost complete. It wasn't the message but the delivery that I was thinking about when I posted the Snickers comment. You'll never hear me complaining about someone offering a fact based opinion. I just saw an opportunity for a joke and took it. :)

As for the supercharger, I have to disagree. The Sprintex compressor is a little small for this engine, and their next size up seems to be too big. Also there has been some question about the effectiveness of the intercooler though that seems to have died away now. It might be possible to have a compressor that slots in between the 210 and the 335 that would work well. Though I doubt I'd ever pay Cosworth prices for any of this stuff. I do have their air filter, though. It was on sale for ~$40. :burnrubber:

OICU812 05-13-2014 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 1734885)
Oh I agree completely, well almost complete. It wasn't the message but the delivery that I was thinking about when I posted the Snickers comment. You'll never hear me complaining about someone offering a fact based opinion. I just saw an opportunity for a joke and took it. :)

As for the supercharger, I have to disagree. The Sprintex compressor is a little small for this engine, and their next size up seems to be too big. Also there has been some question about the effectiveness of the intercooler though that seems to have died away now. It might be possible to have a compressor that slots in between the 210 and the 335 that would work well. Though I doubt I'd ever pay Cosworth prices for any of this stuff. I do have their air filter, though. It was on sale for ~$40. :burnrubber:

Well I agree with this. But guaranteed price will trump Rotrex by 50%+ for it being Cosworth and for not likely a 50% gain in power or reliability. So it will be about the "name" more over anything else. Perhaps I'm speaking from my ass, I dunno but with limited info on a dub step video all I can do is guess nothing more. :w00t:

OrbitalEllipses 05-13-2014 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OICU812 (Post 1735265)
Well I agree with this. But guaranteed price will trump Rotrex by 50%+ for it being Cosworth and for not likely a 50% gain in power or reliability. So it will be about the "name" more over anything else. Perhaps I'm speaking from my ass, I dunno but with limited info on a dub step video all I can do is guess nothing more. :w00t:

Guarantee the Cosworth kit won't leak coolant or have other niggling issues.

TrogDor the Burninator 05-13-2014 10:02 PM

I wonder if this thread will linger and meander like the Nameless Header thread did for months ... This thread needs 100 more pages of hyper-optimistic belief in mystical car parts and promises of release dates followed by soul-crushing wait times and broken dreams ...

FR-S Matt 05-13-2014 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrogDor the Burninator (Post 1735295)
I wonder if this thread will linger and meander like the Nameless Header thread did for months ... This thread needs 100 more pages of hyper-optimistic belief in mystical car parts and promises of release dates followed by soul-crushing wait times and broken dreams ...

Years*

Panda Mao 05-13-2014 11:49 PM

well considering cosworth made parts for the ej motor I assume they will get into the fa motor since their similar in many ways just takes time and lots of R&D

Readytoxplod 05-13-2014 11:49 PM

I'm down to see what they come up with..

Levi 05-14-2014 12:58 AM

There parts better be 15K and something out of this world, than 5K and just rebranded parts.

Crazy Drew 05-14-2014 01:58 AM

Just speculation. I'm betting cams, pistons, rods, ported heads and hopefully a big PD blower. Whatever they come up with will be amazing. It won't be someone else's rebranded parts (obviously excluding the nameless exhaust).

It may be some time before we see anything however the wait will be worth it. Cosworth is a big company and often has a lot on their plate, but they make sure to cross their T's and dot their I's so that they can maintain the quality of being IMO the greatest true "aftermarket" engine parts/accessories company.

The parts probably will be expensive but you have to understand that if you can afford them, the quality of engineering and manufacturing makes it worth it. I challenge anyone to post a racing record like Cosworth that isn't owned by an auto manufacturer.

86drift 05-14-2014 03:13 AM

I'd like to see some billet heads.
Like days gone by when you could stick a Cosworth twin cam head on your old inline 4.

diss7 05-14-2014 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 1735282)
Guarantee the Cosworth kit won't leak coolant or have other niggling issues.

Or ask you to "remove the alternator and grind/file this point because we're too lazy to adjust the casting of our replacement intake manifold"

350matt 05-14-2014 09:46 AM

That exhaust doesn't look like one of Nameless current offerings, well the manifold does but the catback and front pipe looks new

MAPerformance 05-14-2014 01:18 PM

Here it is in a nut shell:

Stage 1 - Upto 230hp - Exhaust, filter and calibration- looks like they are going to have multiple N/A stages. A 220hp, 225hp, and 230hp

Stage 2 - Upto 280hp - Supercharger with integrated manifold and calibration files - Coming Summer 2014

Stage 3 - Upto 380hp - Stage 2 Power Pack plus forged internals and calibration files -
Coming Summer 2014




speargunsandracecars 05-14-2014 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAPerformance (Post 1736493)
Here it is in a nut shell:

Stage 1 - Upto 230hp - Exhaust, filter and calibration- looks like they are going to have multiple N/A stages. A 220hp, 225hp, and 230hp

Stage 2 - Upto 280hp - Supercharger with integrated manifold and calibration files - Coming Summer 2014

Stage 3 - Upto 380hp - Stage 2 Power Pack plus forged internals and calibration files -
Coming Summer 2014






Any more information on the exhaust system?

mid_life_crisis 05-14-2014 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAPerformance (Post 1736493)
Here it is in a nut shell:

Stage 1 - Upto 230hp - Exhaust, filter and calibration- looks like they are going to have multiple N/A stages. A 220hp, 225hp, and 230hp


Are all of these going to require corn squeezings? It would seem reasonable considering what we have seen so far.
I'm beginning to hate you people that have access to it.

Luckrider 05-14-2014 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis (Post 1736773)
Are all of these going to require corn squeezings? It would seem reasonable considering what we have seen so far.
I'm beginning to hate you people that have access to it.

Build a still and get an Alcohol Fuel Permit from the ATF which is free. Then you can make your own potato fuel or corn juice, or for that JDM feel, make it a rice burner.:burnrubber:

OrbitalEllipses 05-14-2014 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAPerformance (Post 1736493)
Stage 3 - Upto 380hp - Stage 2 Power Pack plus forged internals and calibration files - Coming Summer 2014

:drool:

MAPerformance 05-14-2014 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speargunsandracecars (Post 1736747)
Any more information on the exhaust system?

Nothing yet sir. I am still thinking its going to be a Nameless piece.

MAPerformance 05-14-2014 02:36 PM

Not sure. I was kind of wondering the same thing. This really is the only info I have at this time. But I will keep everyone posted if I hear more:thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis (Post 1736773)
Are all of these going to require corn squeezings? It would seem reasonable considering what we have seen so far.
I'm beginning to hate you people that have access to it.


350matt 05-14-2014 03:40 PM

I doubt E85 will be involved as this offering is meant for UK and Europe too

mid_life_crisis 05-14-2014 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 350matt (Post 1736983)
I doubt E85 will be involved as this offering is meant for UK and Europe too

Then unless those numbers are crank horsepower, there is some serious engineering in those kits. How do you get that much power from that combination of mods? I understand the concept of synergy, but those are impressive NA numbers without corn.


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