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CSG Mike 05-13-2014 03:01 AM

Jackson Racing engine oil cooler for NA applications
 
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Yorba Linda, California (April 21st, 2014) – The championship-winning performance experts at Jackson Racing are proud to announce their new Engine Oil Cooler Kit for the Scion FR-S & Subaru BRZ is now available from $697.45USD.

An engine oil cooler is a must have for any track or hot climate vehicle. The FA20 engine in the FR-S/BRZ is a finely tuned high compression engine and engine oil temperatures can spike to dangerous levels even on stock cars.

The Jackson Racing Engine Oil Cooler Kit was developed in-house and designed to bring optimal oil cooling to the FA20 engine. The included engine oil cooler core has been put to the test on the street and track on the Jackson Racing FR-S test mule for thousands of miles, in the cold and the heat. The Jackson Racing Engine Oil Cooler Kit not only had to hold up to day to day driving, but also 100ºF track use by championship-winning racing drivers. We are proud to say this system works flawlessly, keeping oil temperatures below 240ºF on track, thus maintaining engine performance throughout on-track sessions.

The Jackson Racing Engine Oil Cooler Kit utilizes the same quality engineered mounting system developed for the Jackson Racing supercharger system and uses solid factory-mounting locations, with no drilling/cutting needed. The front mount cooler system locates the engine oil cooler front and center in the bumper area, drawing outside air directly over the core.

Key Points:
• Keep oil temperatures below 240ºF in the most extreme conditions
• Thermostatic Oil Adapter allows for proper engine oil warm up when cold
• Helps maintain engine performance
• Heavily street and track tested to ensure reliability

SYSTEM FEATURES

Jackson Racing Engine Oil Cooler Bracket
• Locates Engine Oil Cooler in Direct Air
• Mounts using Factory Locations
• No Drilling/Cutting
• Powder Coated to Resist Corrosion

Setrab 15 Row Oil Cooler
• Designed to Provide Cooling Support for both NA and Forced Induction Applications
• Unique Internal Design for Improved Oil Cooling Capability
• Factory Pressure Tested to 10bar
• Black Epoxy Finish to Resist Corrosion

Thermostatic Oil Cooler Adapter
• Integrated 185ºF Thermostat
• Includes Black Anodized Jackson Racing Adapter Spacer

-10AN Oil Cooler Lines
• Pre-Assembled at Jackson Racing
• Aeroquip OE Quality Oil Hose
• Direct Oil Cooler Installation with Full Float Hose Fittings

High Quality Metric Fasteners & Hardware

Industry Leading Customer Service & Support
• 35 Years of Proven Performance
• Full Color Installation Manual

Jackson Racing Engine Oil Cooler Kit – NA Version: $697.45

FAQ

Q: Is this compatible with my Jackson Racing supercharged FR-S/BRZ?
A: This Engine Oil Cooler Kit is specifically designed for use with a Naturally Aspirated FR-S/BRZ. If you are looking to install an oil cooler for your Jackson Racing supercharged FR-S/BRZ, we recommend using our JRSC version of the Jackson Racing Engine Oil Cooler Kit.

Q: Do I need to add more engine oil with the oil cooler kit?
A: Yes, an additional quart of engine oil is required when installing the Jackson Racing Engine Oil Cooler Kit.

This is a big oil cooler...

OICU812 05-13-2014 03:16 AM

So difference of (this NA) made Oil Cooler kit versus JR FI Oil cooler kit is what, mainly just the bracketing? As for if a customer bought this, then went to their SC kit what all would they expect to buy/change? It's fantastic they are having this option indeed! :clap:

I can see others that have (XYZ) Turbo or SC also being interested in this product as there are not exactly many thermostatic controlled well made OC kits out there oddly enough, so this question could be expanded to (what would it take to adopt to XYZ kit etc?...)

CSG Mike 05-13-2014 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OICU812 (Post 1733265)
So difference of (this NA) made Oil Cooler kit versus JR FI Oil cooler kit is what, mainly just the bracketing? As for if a customer bought this, then went to their SC kit what all would they expect to buy/change? It's fantastic they are having this option indeed! :clap:

I can see others that have (XYZ) Turbo or SC also being interested in this product as there are not exactly many thermostatic controlled well made OC kits out there oddly enough, so this question could be expanded to (what would it take to adopt to XYZ kit etc?...)

All you do is swap brackets and lines for the FI version. All of the remaining components are retained.

In addition to the Thermostatic plate, the 9 series Setrab core is rated for about 35,000 BPU/hr (27,000-39,000 based on flow and placement). Most of the units on the market currently are around 27,000 BTU/hr, and are just barely handling the load of NA applications on track.

OICU812 05-13-2014 03:43 AM

That is cool. So if someone has a Vortech, or say a FBM kit etc,,,, they would need to then specify the FI version is all to get the longer lines etc by sounds of things?

JR I can say is impressive with bringing out options that is for sure.

CSG Mike 05-13-2014 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OICU812 (Post 1733294)
That is cool. So if someone has a Vortech, or say a FBM kit etc,,,, they would need to then specify the FI version is all to get the longer lines etc by sounds of things?

JR I can say is impressive with bringing out options that is for sure.

The FI version would be for use with the Jackson Racing Supercharger kit.

Other FI kits would need to verify fitment before ordering. If their FMIC's dont occupy the same space, then the NA version would be the better solution (it places the oil cooler more centered for maximum cooling). The challenge is that most FI kits don't consider space for an oil-air cooler, so a custom solution is needed, or an oil-water heat exchanger.

To me, having the FMIC in front of the oil cooler makes sense; if you damage the oil cooler with a rock, it can be catastrophic. If you damage a FMIC, you get a boost leak which doesn't cause major issues.

OICU812 05-13-2014 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1733299)
The FI version would be for use with the Jackson Racing Supercharger kit. Other FI kits would need to verify fitment before ordering. If their FMIC's dont occupy the same space, then the NA version would be the better solution (it places the oil cooler more centered for maximum cooling). The challenge is that most FI kits don't consider space for an oil-air cooler, so a custom solution is needed, or an oil-water heat exchanger.


Great as always thanks so much for your time!
:clap:

calibrz 05-13-2014 01:29 PM

the price is so high for this Cooler Kit, no money for it yet. but put on the list.

Lavalover 05-13-2014 06:34 PM

Not knowing really anything about oil coolers this looks like a great product. The two questions that come to mind are 1) does the oil still flow normally through the oil filter without any dead spots, in other words maintaining full filtration? and 2) is the oil pressure in the block maintained at the same level as before? Thanks in advance!

CSG Mike 05-21-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lavalover (Post 1734858)
Not knowing really anything about oil coolers this looks like a great product. The two questions that come to mind are 1) does the oil still flow normally through the oil filter without any dead spots, in other words maintaining full filtration? and 2) is the oil pressure in the block maintained at the same level as before? Thanks in advance!

1. Yes!

2. There is a measureable, but insignificant pressure drop, as with any oil cooler setup.

ayau 05-29-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1733299)
To me, having the FMIC in front of the oil cooler makes sense; if you damage the oil cooler with a rock, it can be catastrophic. If you damage a FMIC, you get a boost leak which doesn't cause major issues.

Does that happen in real life?

CSG Mike 05-29-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ayau (Post 1766318)
Does that happen in real life?

I've seen it happen on track.

Rock hits oil cooler. Oil cooler springs leak. Oil comes out quick at 50-80 psi. Leaves oil trail on track, car loses oil pressure, engine oil starves, spins a bearing. Oil trail on track gets other cars dirty, and sometimes a bunch of cars flying off if its at a turn.

You want to always have something guarding your oil cooler, whether its a grill, or mesh, or honeycomb.

ayau 05-29-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1766417)
I've seen it happen on track.

Rock hits oil cooler. Oil cooler springs leak. Oil comes out quick at 50-80 psi. Leaves oil trail on track, car loses oil pressure, engine oil starves, spins a bearing. Oil trail on track gets other cars dirty, and sometimes a bunch of cars flying off if its at a turn.

You want to always have something guarding your oil cooler, whether its a grill, or mesh, or honeycomb.

On the JR N/A oil cooler, what's guarding the oil cooler?

CSG Mike 05-29-2014 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ayau (Post 1766531)
On the JR N/A oil cooler, what's guarding the oil cooler?

Just your front grill.

OrbitalEllipses 05-29-2014 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1766556)
Just your front grill.

The one with the slats in it that a rock could conceivably go through?

CSG Mike 05-29-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 1766565)
The one with the slats in it that a rock could conceivably go through?

Yup. Smaller ones won't be an issue, and ones big enough to break through... well... that would break a radiator too.

This is only really an issue for guys that are tracking, canyoning, or are FI (and the shenanigans that come with having FI)

Ranatsu 05-29-2014 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ayau (Post 1766318)
Does that happen in real life?

Just a few weeks ago while traveling to a SCCA event. One of my friends had a rock fly up and puncture his S2000 CR radiator which in turn drained the radiator and warped the head.

Shit happens.

Venator 07-13-2014 04:01 PM

@CSG Mike I was looking at the Mishimoto tstat oil cooler would there be a problem using that cooler with the JR SC kit? Would you recommend the JR cooler over the mishimoto?

CSG Mike 07-14-2014 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Venator (Post 1844137)
@CSG Mike I was looking at the Mishimoto tstat oil cooler would there be a problem using that cooler with the JR SC kit? Would you recommend the JR cooler over the mishimoto?

Compare the sizes of the cooler cores and/or the BTU ratings. I'd recommend spending the extra cash for the JR cooler, but having the Mishimoto is far better than having nothing.

1Cor10:23 08-17-2015 11:13 AM

Has anyone experience minor seepage from the AN fittings coming out of the mocal sandwich plate? Just noticed yesterday at the track, used a dental mirror and saw some oil residue at the bottom of each, a tiny bit at the washer to plate seal and a tiny bit at the male to female AN. @CSG Mike have you noticed this with any of your installs?

Lunatic 08-17-2015 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1844690)
Compare the sizes of the cooler cores and/or the BTU ratings. I'd recommend spending the extra cash for the JR cooler, but having the Mishimoto is far better than having nothing.

Can you explain please. The Jackson cooler is 15 row, the Mishimoto cooler is 19 row. Would 19 rows be bigger and cool as good or better?

sw20kosh 08-17-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lunatic (Post 2359831)
Can you explain please. The Jackson cooler is 15 row, the Mishimoto cooler is 19 row. Would 19 rows be bigger and cool as good or better?

You have to look at dimensions and capacity not just rows.

1Cor10:23 08-17-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lunatic (Post 2359831)
Can you explain please. The Jackson cooler is 15 row, the Mishimoto cooler is 19 row. Would 19 rows be bigger and cool as good or better?

Not sure if this is the correct interpretation but I believe the Setrab one, though 4 rows short, is less restrictive and has a higher flow rate overall? But it is true that the mishi one has a higher surface area so it's hard to isolate the net effect...

CSG Mike 08-17-2015 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Cor10:23 (Post 2359803)
Has anyone experience minor seepage from the AN fittings coming out of the mocal sandwich plate? Just noticed yesterday at the track, used a dental mirror and saw some oil residue at the bottom of each, a tiny bit at the washer to plate seal and a tiny bit at the male to female AN. @CSG Mike have you noticed this with any of your installs?

The AN fittings should not be leaking. Did you tighten the fittings that go into the Mocal sandwich plate? They do not come pre-tightened, so each fitting needs to be tightened twice, once on each side of the fitting.

CSG Mike 08-17-2015 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lunatic (Post 2359831)
Can you explain please. The Jackson cooler is 15 row, the Mishimoto cooler is 19 row. Would 19 rows be bigger and cool as good or better?

The Setrab core used by the Jacking Racing kit is both thicker, and wider. The net volume is approximately 50% higher. The fin density is also significantly higher.

This is, assuming, Mishimoto hasn't changed their design.

CSG David 08-17-2015 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lunatic (Post 2359831)
Can you explain please. The Jackson cooler is 15 row, the Mishimoto cooler is 19 row. Would 19 rows be bigger and cool as good or better?

You should check the fittings on your Mishimoto from time to time.

1Cor10:23 08-17-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2359871)
The AN fittings should not be leaking. Did you tighten the fittings that go into the Mocal sandwich plate? They do not come pre-tightened, so each fitting needs to be tightened twice, once on each side of the fitting.

Thanks for your response mike - tightened both sides up during the install. It's never enough oil to form a drop or stream of oil but it clearly is seeping a tiny, tiny bit. Probably comes out more at the track. Will give JR a call to see what they say.

CSG Mike 08-17-2015 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Cor10:23 (Post 2360020)
Thanks for your response mike - tightened both sides up during the install. It's never enough oil to form a drop or stream of oil but it clearly is seeping a tiny, tiny bit. Probably comes out more at the track. Will give JR a call to see what they say.

I have seen *one* instance where the Mocal sandwich plate had a factory defect, and I've seen hundreds of Mocals. It's unlikely, but never say never.

1Cor10:23 08-17-2015 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2360047)
I have seen *one* instance where the Mocal sandwich plate had a factory defect, and I've seen hundreds of Mocals. It's unlikely, but never say never.

So it's more likely not the plate itself but the -10 AN fittings. There is slight residue on the underside of the fitting where the male and female AN fittings meet on both ports.

There is slight residue on the dowty of the driver side fitting, which suggests either issue with the dowty seal or the mating surface of the plate.

These shouldn't be torqued very hard, correct? 15-20 lbs?

zoth 08-17-2015 02:20 PM

Is there I way to seal the AN fitting fittings with so type tread sealer or something? I'm having issues with my fittings as well, very minimal but noticeable.

1Cor10:23 08-17-2015 02:28 PM

@zoth my understanding is that it's not recommended. Are you running Mocal setup as well?

Lunatic 08-17-2015 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2359872)
The Setrab core used by the Jacking Racing kit is both thicker, and wider. The net volume is approximately 50% higher. The fin density is also significantly higher.

This is, assuming, Mishimoto hasn't changed their design.

Thanks for the explanation Mike.

Lunatic 08-17-2015 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG David (Post 2359880)
You should check the fittings on your Mishimoto from time to time.

I do.

grant86 03-09-2016 01:00 PM

Hey guys so this thread has been inactive since october of last year so sorry for the necro but I had a couple questions. I recently bought and installed the kit and it's great! but i've been having some leaking issues recently. Im pretty sure it's the o-ring on the sandwich plate which has gone bad due to the amount of times I've taken it on and off to try to diagnose my small leaks :/ So I was curious if one of you guys could supply me with the specifications on the o-ring so I could order the proper replacement? Also how in the hell did you guys tighten the sandwich bolt correctly? I cant for the life of me find a socket that fits between the tstat and the head of the bolt. Thanks in advance. -Grant

CSG Mike 03-09-2016 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by grant86 (Post 2574666)
Hey guys so this thread has been inactive since october of last year so sorry for the necro but I had a couple questions. I recently bought and installed the kit and it's great! but i've been having some leaking issues recently. Im pretty sure it's the o-ring on the sandwich plate which has gone bad due to the amount of times I've taken it on and off to try to diagnose my small leaks :/ So I was curious if one of you guys could supply me with the specifications on the o-ring so I could order the proper replacement? Also how in the hell did you guys tighten the sandwich bolt correctly? I cant for the life of me find a socket that fits between the tstat and the head of the bolt. Thanks in advance. -Grant

Contact tech at jackson racing dot com for replacement rings for the sandwich plate and adaptor.

Carefully use a 12 point 27mm socket for the adapter.

CB762 03-13-2016 10:55 AM

Hi, cannot decide between Perrin and JR OC.
Is it really worth $70?
TIA.

CSG Mike 03-14-2016 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CB762 (Post 2579395)
Hi, cannot decide between Perrin and JR OC.
Is it really worth $70?
TIA.

For a MUCH larger oil cooler? Absolutely. Too much won't hurt you (thermostatic plate prevents overcooling), but if you're looking for an oil cooler because you drive hard, then too little can hurt you.

ryoma 03-14-2016 01:36 AM

has anyone noticed any damage to the stock airbox due to the little clearance of the AN fittings? I have probably about 4mm of clearance from the fitting and my stock airbox. I might put some reflective tape on the airbox but I am still monitoring it after every drive to see if it rubs or anything like that.

ZionsWrath 03-14-2016 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CB762 (Post 2579395)
Hi, cannot decide between Perrin and JR OC.
Is it really worth $70?
TIA.

IMO it's worth it. I know a lot of guys can piece together their own kit for much cheaper. But I just wanted a tested product imcould just bolt on and hit the track. So that's the price I decided is worth it to pay.
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Originally Posted by ryoma (Post 2579944)
has anyone noticed any damage to the stock airbox due to the little clearance of the AN fittings? I have probably about 4mm of clearance from the fitting and my stock airbox. I might put some reflective tape on the airbox but I am still monitoring it after every drive to see if it rubs or anything like that.

Mine doesn't rub on actual driving but the air box is a bitch to remove to replace the air filter and got scratched a lot doing that. I imagine I will have to replace that part of the air box at some point in the future. Or duct tape over whatever hole will eventually develop.

For me I saw my lines were rubbing on the frame in one spot and the washer bottle. Zip tie the lines together tightly to increase clearance. That stopped my rubbing on the frame but it still touches the washer bottle neck.

churchx 03-14-2016 12:19 PM

CSG Mike: but is MUCH larger oil cooler needed? Imho it's not that bad if smaller is sufficient for worst case you can throw it at .. everything above that is redundant and extra deadweight, no?

CB762 03-14-2016 01:57 PM

I have TRD CIA. Is it going to interfere with oil filter adapter?
TIA.


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