Gauges
 

What gauges would you guys consider putting into this car?

if it comes with the digital cluster as per the concept, then none, it should all be there or at least programmable :) if it doesnt then perhaps a boost one if it doesnt have it. i do hope the car has a very friendly connection port for a lappy :D

It would be sweet if it came with something like the GT-R where it has a screen dedicated to fine tuning the car and monitoring vitals. If not then boost, a/f, egt, oil temp, oil pressure, and maybe fuel pressure. The only trick is to hide them so the car doesn't look all riced out, but still have them pop out or something when I need them.

Or better yet a scan gauge. That way you can have 4 gauges in one and clear codes and stuff :) So let me restate what I said: Boost, a/f, oil pressure, scan gauge!

Ditto~

It really depends on what engine configuration is available. I always thought it was complete overkill/rice for a NA car to have all types of gauges in the car; water temp, oil temp etc.

Also keep in mind that drilling holes in the dash looks ugly when you remove them later or try to sell the car.

It shouldn't be TOO difficult to get all of the above gauges and then some... Depending on whether or not the car comes with Windows or some other operating system for the digital cluster like was seen in the Autocar interview.

ooh thats right forgot about the scan gauge :D
the gtr type screen would be awesome, although if they keep the digi cluster as is (which i doubt will make production with windows) i dont think anything while driving will be possible, and the minimalist dashboard means no screen anywhere. although i cant see it being a long time b4 someone sticks a 7" touch somewhere and wires it in to a motec, or haltec to get all the readouts on screen :D

Who picked intake air temperature? I don't think I know anyone that put that into their car.

Little off topic... (but Haltech offers a bunch of different AIM dash/dataloggers so that could be considered a gauge) Why is it that Australia makes so many kick-ass standalones?

Maybe thought MAP/MAF instead of IAT?

i dunno how we have so many standalones.. we have sweet fuck all cars compared to the rest of the world (eg eclipse... oh how i wanted that car..) motec makes a datalogger as well.. but its 5K just for the logger/display unit.. but that thing is a all in one (have one for our formula sae) and if used in car can replace the whole dash as it has RPM and speed as standard and AFAIK other things can be programed in to it (we have EGT, lamba ratio and some other stuff i forget now, im on the chassis team not engine lol)

Yeah..it would be nice to have a Screen popout in the center dash that shows the engine diagnostics.


and who actually picked intake air temperature?:slap:

If it's a turbo, boost.

That's it.

If it's not turbo or there is a stock boost gauge, then none.

I know that MoTeC is big dollars. My buddy has more money into his system than I do into my whole car. He's got 6 EGT probes for cryin' out loud! One per cylinder.

I'll be going Haltech and maybe with an AIM dash/logger. (Less than 5k for both.)

tach, speedo, fuel level, coolant temp, oil pressure, oil temp.

Just cuz ppl commenting on AIT, so I voted on AIT. Now we have 2 ppl voted on AIT. lol

Alls I want is that huge ass ricer tach on my dash and I'll be set! :party0030::party0030:

Why not just get this?

http://riceorama.com/images/2009/jan/ricer_gauge.jpg

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Damn, you beat me to it!

don't need boost because it's gonna be n/a. it would just be a vacuum gauge. ;)

really only need IAT if it's boosted, see above, so we don't need that.

a/f and EGT are good for tuning purposes.

it'll come with water temp.

fuel pressure isn't going to be very worthwhile for direct injection.

oil temp and pressure would be good for trackdays, temp more than pressure. usually if you lose oil pressure, no gauge will help you catch it before it becomes a SERIOUS problem for your engine. besides, if you lose oil pressure, not much you can do about it, whereas if the temp starts going up, you can back off and let things cool a bit.

You must become one with your oil pressure gauge, only then will it be an invaluable tool for you. /sage nod

No seriously, in the 86 I can tell if the oil is low / needs changed if the needle moves but a fraction of an inch (if not less) down. And by low, thats typically 3/4 to 1 quart low, far before any serious problem could occur.

I <3 my oil pressure gauge.

on a track, however, it's far less useful. the way i usually determine if my oil is low is by using the dipstick, haha. :)

for daily driving, absolutely, it's a great gauge to have. and it still is useful on track, but i think an oil temp gauge is a little more useful. that's all i really meant.

True, I only check opg after get off the track... specially w my friend's Honda (Prelude). There's too damn many gauges that I can't keep in track which one is for which and keep focusing on the track... that reminds me, I need to tell him to take off some of the gauges to somewhere not annoying spot.

Honest question here. Are you guys really burning through oil during trackdays that it has to be monitored periodically?

Honest answer for me & my car does burn oil when I go to track on summer (1/3~1/2 quart every 1500miles). I usually do full fluid check day before track day, so most of the time I don't need to monitor it at all at the track, but my friend's Prelude is different story... I, myself have no clue what he did to that Prelude to make it that fast (for Prelude) and had several problem at the track (few oil spills), so it's important for him to monitor it.

Honest return question: You're asking that to a guy, that when being tracked, drove a 23 year old car running its original engine w/internals?

Its a damn miracle (no, its just Old School Toyota really) that my 4A lasted as long as it did with the way I drove it a few years ago.

definitely water temp, oil temp, oil pressure.

Rest are subject to what i really need at the time.

Never rebuilt? That is good but I guess it depends on how old the car is. I doubt it would be necessary on this car.

Unless it's a turbo or comes with a digital gauge like the GTR, do you see any benefit from adding extra gauges?

Nope, unless you're doin' full internal mods. If this thing comes in NA or Turbo with GTR style screen gauges then, I'm not planning to add any gauges. I don't like having too many gauges in the car.

Well, I guess there's no way for me to know for sure if the engine was ever rebuilt, but my honest guess would be no. I bought it 6 years ago with 153k on it and it had (Rather, still has) a slight valve tap to it. The guy I bought it from got it from a local police auction (for $250), who said they found it abandoned on the side of the interstate, with the radio missing and the ignition fubar'd (stolen obviously). The likelihood that the 4A in my car was rebuilt when it only had 153k on it is probably very slim. If left in stock form they're just as reliable as any other Toyota engine from the time period....ok, cept maybe the 20R...but what is? Anywhooo...

I'll probably toss a Vacuum gauge in my FT.

Anyone check this out yet. GT-R style Multi-Function-Display.

http://www.arkdesign-us.com/mfd-multi-function-dash
http://www.arkdesign-us.com/images/p...fd-right-1.png
http://www.arkdesign-us.com/images/p...mfd-left-1.png

It's cool and all... but I'm bit selfish and wishes to have more features...

my car doesn't use any oil. i just check it because it's easier than rebuilding the engine. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTmfCldH_pQ

Just saw this...and thought how nice a digital gauge w/ bar graph colored indicator is.

I noticed that alot of gauges, it feels like I need huge eye glasses to even see what it is reading..because the analog gauges have their numbers written so small.

I figured a digital NUMBER would show the accuracy and the Colored Bar graph would show intensity.
I noticed that if I'm driving I shouldn't really be trying to see where the needle on a boost gauge or a temperature gauge should be.
If there was a digital NUMBER, a quick glance can tell you exactly how much boost you're running. For Temperatures, a Color bar graph indicator would definitely be easier to read at certain times.

GT-R already come w Digital gauge that show both number & gauge.

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So does the one I posted a couple above. Whole bunch of user selectable data.

Oh I know. I just replying to Cyber's post bout only need numbers instead of meter gauge. I never said, I want it that way.... well kinda maybe little... :)

gtr gauge seems kind of bland. It doesn't have different colors in the bar graph. If I'm not mistaken, the GTR gauge has like a "white" color....which is a small detail...but in my oppinion a gauge with Green/Yellow/Red may catch the eye better with your peripheral vision.

im sure it can be changed, if not with factory software than another way ;)
red on blue contrast is best for gauges i found. i had white needles on blue back ground and cus the needles were SO bright on the blue (blue dials, but white gauge face that doesnt light up), there was a after glow effect that made for about a 10% error in reading unless focusing on it. when i switched needles to ultra bright red, the red light doesnt light up the gauge face at all, so only thing i am left with are bright blue numbers and bright red needles :) very good for peripherals, abeit ricey :) but its not for show, but for fn

iirc GT-R gauge colors are White, Aqua, & Red.

But seriously, how often do you read the gauges? Only time I read it is before and after the track.