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sweetfrs 04-21-2014 08:51 PM

uneven exhaust
 
so i got the my Swift Racing Technologies Catback installed today but the right tip sticks out more than the left :sigh::sigh::mad0260: how do i fix that?

raven1231 04-21-2014 09:03 PM

Add or remove piping

Marusich 04-21-2014 09:05 PM

Sounds like it's not parallel with the vehicle.

FrsDuke 04-21-2014 10:24 PM

Hammer time

major quicknap 04-21-2014 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FrsDuke (Post 1688524)
Hammer time

I don't see how this is relevant.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo"]MC Hammer - U Can't Touch This - YouTube[/ame]

gramicci101 04-21-2014 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by major quicknap (Post 1688536)
I don't see how this is relevant.

That will always be relevant.

FrsDuke 04-21-2014 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 1688541)
That will always be relevant.

Exactly

humfrz 04-22-2014 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetfrs (Post 1688288)
so i got the my Swift Racing Technologies Catback installed today but the right tip sticks out more than the left :sigh::sigh::mad0260: how do i fix that?

Well, if this is your system (below):

You might try loosening up the flange that connects the mid-pipe to the front pipe, then move the tips so they are where you want them and re-tighten the flange.

Or, try to arrange the hangars so the hold the mufflers where you want them.

Or, do it the redneck way and take some wire and pull that sucker where you want it, then twist the wire to hold it in place.

Or the humfrz old farm boy way, heat the offending side up with a blow torch and beat it unto submission wirth a BFH.


humfrz

sweetfrs 04-22-2014 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1688872)
Well, if this is your system (below):

You might try loosening up the flange that connects the mid-pipe to the front pipe, then move the tips so they are where you want them and re-tighten the flange.

Or, try to arrange the hangars so the hold the mufflers where you want them.

Or, do it the redneck way and take some wire and pull that sucker where you want it, then twist the wire to hold it in place.

Or the humfrz old farm boy way, heat the offending side up with a blow torch and beat it unto submission wirth a BFH.


humfrz

i lived in kentucky for 4 years so the redneck way sounds pretty darn good, but i think ima loosen the flanges and move it and do that, and this time wait till it cools down lol :clap:

Vracer111 04-22-2014 01:22 AM

I love the sound and build quality of the SRT catback on mine but its fitment does leave a little to be desired. I did everything I could short of physically changing the exhaust and the right is a little more out and angled than the left. I'll be reworking the entire back section of mine to a dual center exit for different reason though - need more clearance for a planned custom diffusor setup. The right side rear bumper cutout around the tailpipe also had a hole melted through it...not sure if it was because of the SRT fitment or something else. But yeah, everything but the fitment of the exhaust to the car (and dealing with the company itself) is EXCELLENT...superb TIG welding, design, and exotic sound.

bluesman 04-22-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vracer111 (Post 1688961)
everything but the fitment of the exhaust to the car (and dealing with the company itself) is EXCELLENT...superb TIG welding, design, and exotic sound.

The design and/or construction may not be so excellent, if more than one person is having a problem with asymmetry. Has anyone measured the system to be sure that all duplicate parts have the same dimensions from side to side and that all flanges are angled properly?

If one tip actually does protrude further than the other with the system properly installed on a virgin vehicle, all the tweaking in the world (short of cutting and rewelding) won't get it back into its hole. Ditto if the system is slightly twisted or otherwise not perfectly aligned with the rest of the car when bolted in. If the jigs on which the exhaust is made are somehow slightly off, every system made on them will also be slightly off.

If the angle(s) of flat flange(s) at one of the junctions are very slightly off, you could make a wedge-shaped gasket from thick gasket stock to shift it a few degrees. To do this soundly, you also need adjustable angled washers (available from industrial hardware suppliers). But if something's not right, you really should make it right. Most jury-rigged "solutions" will come back to bite you on the butt.

I've learned this lesson many times at great cost and not a little physical pain: if it's not right, don't assume and don't bang - measure.

sweetfrs 04-22-2014 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vracer111 (Post 1688961)
I love the sound and build quality of the SRT catback on mine but its fitment does leave a little to be desired. I did everything I could short of physically changing the exhaust and the right is a little more out and angled than the left. I'll be reworking the entire back section of mine to a dual center exit for different reason though - need more clearance for a planned custom diffusor setup. The right side rear bumper cutout around the tailpipe also had a hole melted through it...not sure if it was because of the SRT fitment or something else. But yeah, everything but the fitment of the exhaust to the car (and dealing with the company itself) is EXCELLENT...superb TIG welding, design, and exotic sound.

yea it sounds extremely exotic, as i was driving through downtown earlier to come to school i had so many people staring at me :eyebulge:

Vracer111 04-22-2014 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bluesman (Post 1689339)
The design and/or construction may not be so excellent, if more than one person is having a problem with asymmetry. Has anyone measured the system to be sure that all duplicate parts have the same dimensions from side to side and that all flanges are angled properly?

If one tip actually does protrude further than the other with the system properly installed on a virgin vehicle, all the tweaking in the world (short of cutting and rewelding) won't get it back into its hole. Ditto if the system is slightly twisted or otherwise not perfectly aligned with the rest of the car when bolted in. If the jigs on which the exhaust is made are somehow slightly off, every system made on them will also be slightly off.

If the angle(s) of flat flange(s) at one of the junctions are very slightly off, you could make a wedge-shaped gasket from thick gasket stock to shift it a few degrees. To do this soundly, you also need adjustable angled washers (available from industrial hardware suppliers). But if something's not right, you really should make it right. Most jury-rigged "solutions" will come back to bite you on the butt.

I've learned this lesson many times at great cost and not a little physical pain: if it's not right, don't assume and don't bang - measure.

Fitment is a separate parameter from design and build quality... you can have excellent design and build quality yet not have excellent fitment. The SRT catback has second to none build quality, meaning beautiful and proper Tig welds with well integrated 304L stainless compoenents and construction. It's design, which refers to the actual functionality of said exhaust, is excellent: proper flow/pulses, nice merger, engine response is great, and tone is very pleasing...it's all there in the design. Fitment, is just that - how it physically fits on vehicle, and is the only physical aspect where it comes up short. It is a little frustrating that its not perfect, but it's not horrible off that at a glance you really notice it. Doesn't matter to me as I'll be redoing the whole rear section of mine for aerodynamic reasons (my brother's a certified welder and I have a nice Tig machine...) - need to tuck the exhaust up high and in the center near the stock heat shield for a functional custom rear diffusor. I've done stage one of the process, which really shows off the SRT exhaust well...:bellyroll:

http://vracer111.smugmug.com/Cars/St...rless-7-XL.jpg

Clipdat 04-23-2014 02:57 AM

I hope nobody is still buying the SRT exhaust after the shit they pulled and the way they treated the forum/community. Stay away from this company.

Digitalanalog 04-23-2014 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 1691652)
I hope nobody is still buying the SRT exhaust after the shit they pulled and the way they treated the forum/community. Stay away from this company.

link to what happened for us late comers?

chas3wba0 04-23-2014 03:14 AM

Can't expect off-the-shelf exhausts to fit perfectly every time... too many areas for variance between individual cars. One small difference/misalignment up near the header can be magnified quite a bit by the time it gets to the tips.

My ARK exhaust would fit perfectly by itself, but other aftermarket pieces in the exhaust are causing one tip to stick out maybe 1mm more than the other... I have pretty bad car OCD and I'm still trying to ignore it until I get my new header lol. If it's still off by then, I'll probably just take it to a muffler shop and have them line it up once and for all. They usually have some good tricks up their sleeves.

ZionsWrath 04-23-2014 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by chas3wba0 (Post 1691665)
Can't expect off-the-shelf exhausts to fit perfectly every time... too many areas for variance between individual cars. One small difference/misalignment up near the header can be magnified quite a bit by the time it gets to the tips.

My ARK exhaust would fit perfectly by itself, but other aftermarket pieces in the exhaust are causing one tip to stick out maybe 1mm more than the other... I have pretty bad car OCD and I'm still trying to ignore it until I get my new header lol. If it's still off by then, I'll probably just take it to a muffler shop and have them line it up once and for all. They usually have some good tricks up their sleeves.

haha that is probably why stock exhausts are so small and tucked/conservative.

No one measures how much more tucked one exhaust tip is that the other, but everyone is going to to notice one poking out more.

supradoopra 04-23-2014 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vracer111 (Post 1691346)

how did u remove that?

Clipdat 04-23-2014 01:45 PM

Well, I'm not going to go digging through this thread to find the individual posts, but I can summarize.

During the initial announcement of this product they took a number of pre-order group buys and had a hell of a time fulfilling their orders for people who had already paid. They kept their paying customers waiting weeks/months for the product and kept promising they would be shipped out and not delivering on their word.

Then, when people did receive their exhausts, they were riddled with fitment/quality issues and certain shipments that were damaged in transit. They were not good about getting these issues worked out, and it got to the point where if you called their telephone number and started to ask about the exhaust for the FR-S they would just hang up on you. I remember one forum member from Australia that had ordered, paid, and sat waiting over a month for the exhaust he paid for while SRT ignored his emails and calls. Anyway, in the end they had their vendor status revoked and were completely banned from the forum.

Very greedy company only interested in making a quick buck, they've completely abandoned the community at this point and I recommend you seek out another dual canister design if you really want this look/sound.

I just can't support their business practices and what they pulled with the community early on in late 2012 when this platform was just getting popular.

I purchased mine second hand and it also has a fitment issue where the left tip doesn't sit centered in it's cutout.


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Originally Posted by Digitalanalog (Post 1691660)
link to what happened for us late comers?


Vracer111 04-23-2014 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 1692544)
Well, I'm not going to go digging through this thread to find the individual posts, but I can summarize.

During the initial announcement of this product they took a number of pre-order group buys and had a hell of a time fulfilling their orders for people who had already paid. They kept their paying customers waiting weeks/months for the product and kept promising they would be shipped out and not delivering on their word.

Then, when people did receive their exhausts, they were riddled with fitment/quality issues and certain shipments that were damaged in transit. They were not good about getting these issues worked out, and it got to the point where if you called their telephone number and started to ask about the exhaust for the FR-S they would just hang up on you. I remember one forum member from Australia that had ordered, paid, and sat waiting over a month for the exhaust he paid for while SRT ignored his emails and calls. Anyway, in the end they ended up getting completely banned from the forum.

Very greedy company only interested in making a quick buck, they've completely abandoned the community at this point and I recommend you seek out another dual canister design if you really want this look/sound.

I just can't support their business practices and what they pulled with the community early on in late 2012 when this platform was just getting popular.

I purchased mine second hand and it also has a fitment issue where the left tip doesn't sit centered in it's cutout.

This is the truth...if it weren't for the company and fitment on car it would be an excellent, top tier exhaust. I waited nearly 5 months for mine... and during that time it became apparent the company was not all it seemed. I was about to give up and cancel my order and formally ask for a refund but they finally shipped the exhaust...

Second hand should be the only way you are able to get them anymore...they no longer do anything FRS related. I wouldn't deal with SRT based on my experience with them anyways. That said I really like the exhaust...pity it had to come from the company it did. If you find one used for a good deal and are a DIY type its and excellent piece.

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Originally Posted by supradoopra
how did u remove that?

with tools like these:

http://www.irwin.com/uploads/product...olding-896.jpg

http://images.bosch-professional.com...0-ce-25429.jpg

King Tut 04-23-2014 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetfrs (Post 1688288)
so i got the my Swift Racing Technologies Catback installed today but the right tip sticks out more than the left :sigh::sigh::mad0260: how do i fix that?

People are still buying SRT exhausts? How long did you have to wait for it? I know some people are still waiting for theirs from what feels like years ago.

Clipdat 04-23-2014 02:46 PM

But it's still listed for sale on their website...

http://www.swiftracing.com/SRT/item....=163&u=1000163

http://www.swiftracing.com/SRT/item....=162&u=1000162

And ironically in the second one, with the link still there to the thread here with everyone shitting on their product and their company in the later pages. :iono:

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Originally Posted by Vracer111
Second hand should be the only way you are able to get them anymore...they no longer do anything FRS related.


sweetfrs 04-23-2014 04:56 PM

I got mine used on the exhausts for sale thread lol got a great deal, ive been following srt since i was younger and always loved there work that being said i havnt delt with them directly so im not sure how they treat customers. Im really pleased with my exhaust tho >:D , except for the uneven crap :(

Vracer111 04-23-2014 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 1692754)
But it's still listed for sale on their website...

http://www.swiftracing.com/SRT/item....=163&u=1000163

http://www.swiftracing.com/SRT/item....=162&u=1000162

And ironically in the second one, with the link still there to the thread here with everyone shitting on their product and their company in the later pages. :iono:

They must have recently put the FRS exhausts back on because for the longest time, after everything hit the fan - even late last year, there was no FRS exhausts listed on their site...

Clipdat 04-23-2014 11:29 PM

That's simply not true, I check the site every month and it's been there every time. The Internet Archive also confirms that it's been up there the entire time.

Regardless, the point is that they're a shitty company and their products should be avoided unless you want to support dishonest people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vracer111
They must have recently put the FRS exhausts back on because for the longest time, after everything hit the fan - even late last year, there was no FRS exhausts listed on their site...


supradoopra 04-24-2014 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vracer111 (Post 1692605)
with tools like these:

so is it 2 pieces? or u had to cut and trim the black part off?
skill level 1-10? a 3? thanks

Vracer111 04-24-2014 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by supradoopra (Post 1695483)
so is it 2 pieces? or u had to cut and trim the black part off?
skill level 1-10? a 3? thanks

The entire rear section is one piece, so you have to cut it off. Not hard to cut it off - it did it on the car, just need to remove the reverse light and keep its wiring out of the way. I left a little extra on the bumper skin because I'm not exactly sure how I will be making a cover for the bumper beam: whether I want to attach it to the rear bumper skin or just trim the skin flush and make the cover mount separately for the beam. You have to make a bracket to mount the reverse light if you remove the factory 'diffusor' though... simple as drilling holes in aluminum angle (which also has to have a wide "V" cut out of it to fit the reverse light housing - and I dremeled the plastic protrusion/tab from the back middle of the housing some for better fit) and using the factory rear heat shield bolt locations. If you are comfortable dremeling/modifying stock parts its easy.

supradoopra 04-24-2014 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vracer111 (Post 1696036)
The entire rear section is one piece, so you have to cut it off. Not hard to cut it off - it did it on the car, just need to remove the reverse light and keep its wiring out of the way. I left a little extra on the bumper skin because I'm not exactly sure how I will be making a cover for the bumper beam: whether I want to attach it to the rear bumper skin or just trim the skin flush and make the cover mount separately for the beam. You have to make a bracket to mount the reverse light if you remove the factory 'diffusor' though... simple as drilling holes in aluminum angle (which also has to have a wide "V" cut out of it to fit the reverse light housing - and I dremeled the plastic protrusion/tab from the back middle of the housing some for better fit) and using the factory rear heat shield bolt locations. If you are comfortable dremeling/modifying stock parts its easy.

thanks for the good info. any close up pics of it removed?:thumbsup:


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