Forced Induction Tuner Selection
 

As I get closer to my install date in the not so distant future my lack of a tuner is starting to worry me.

I purchased the FA20club kit, finally received all the components (from what i can tell). Now i'm planning on scheduling an install day for July. I have yet to nail down a tuner how ever. I paid for a full tune with Toni from Fa20Club, but we all know what happened there. I don't think i can handle the down time it would take him to get it tuned, I'd probably be waiting another year :(.

Moving forward i have found a local tuner that i was referred to and I know has a good reputation,BUT they say 93 octane only nets 285whp and e85 would get me to 350ish.... This concerns me as this does not seem to be the case on the forums and in speaking to others with FI.

What have you guys done?
Would you really rely on an E-tune or allowing your car to be the learned on by a tuner inexperienced with the platform?

advice?

BTW i live in Houston.

I would never rely on an E tune, I'd rather the tuner no matter how experienced to tune it on the dyno and on the street.

Advice? You won't like it but; sell the kit and buy a different one. Any other kit will have a much lower chance of not fitting.

That being said, there are many members and more outraged customers by FA20club/TR3 performance on multiple forums, including this one. I wouldn't be surprised if you got the same advice.

If I had FA20Club parts for my car, I'd rather fabricate my own and run those parts. And the last time I welded was in the 6th grade lol

Get a dyno tune. Hands down much better results and able to hold someone locally responsible. Every car is different every combination of mods creates a different result so you really can't tell how many horsepower you will end up with. If you are installing the FA20club kit yourself I wish you luck mine had to be modified extensively to fit properly. Also I would get some way of sealing up the exhaust flanges as mine have leaks.

Hello,

We highly recommend our Texas Authorized Dealer/Tuner BoostLogic. Give them a call and let them know P&L Motorsports sent you, they can perform the install and tune for you. http://www.boostlogic.com

Thanks

I was not intending on doing it myself but rather have D3PE do the install as they would be able to correct and/or fabricate around any issues they may encounter. I just don't have as much faith in their ability to tune the fa20 as i'd liek to have.

Thanks for the recommendation on boost logic!!

I had no idea boost logic was in Texas. Lucky you :thumbsup:

We do lots of remote tunes for just about any setup. Feel free to give a ring or an email, we haven't met one we couldn't tune yet.

Boost logic are heavy hitters in the tuning world and they're probably only a few hrs from you.


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You don't want to use a tuner simply because he didn't give you an inflated power expectation?

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Have you talked to @Synack ? He is the only person I know of that was tuned by D3PE with a turbo kit. He had their turbo kit with a big turbo and lower compression pistons though.

I was in your shoes... Read this up.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62514

Honestly Chris at D3PE can tune the FA20 better than anyone I know of on this forum. Every bit of the RPM range from idle to redline and everything inbetween is flawless.

FYI Chris is the same guy that tuned the Hennessey Venom GT among MANY other monsters of cars.
http://www.venomgt.com/achievements/...ssey-venom-gt/

Return your FA20Club shit, get something else. Support someone who respects the community and doesn't have 4+ aliases while dropping bombs on multiple car communities. Just my input ... now just waiting for all the "Thanks" <3

See that's the problem return it to get what? A refund? It takes such a long time between delivery and payment you can't dispute the charge or apply for a refund through paypal. I exhausted every option with mine in that regard and the simple matter is if he takes as long to get you refund as he does sending out your parts you are now 8+months with money spent and no parts. You are better off installing the kit with help from a shop to make the modifications to ensure proper fit. Been there done that.

That makes sense. It is just more hassle stacked with more hassle. Do you think he can find a good tuning shop that can also inspect the kit to make sure it is in optimal condition? I just don't want the OP (or anyone) to have to run into more risks/damage/issues you know :/ no one wants to go through that gut wrenching experience ...

So there is nothing actually wrong with the kit itself in terms of idea, layout(for the most part), and components it's the piss poor QC and shipping. I would imagine if he is having a shop install the car they should inspect the components as they install them and fix any issues as they go. That's what they are getting paid for. I would reccomend using the stock header gaskets and having some exhaust rated rtv as almost every FA20club kit I've seen has leaked from there. Also the downpipe will most likely have to be reworked if you are connecting it to anything larger than stock overpipe as the flange is at a odd angle which causes a exhaust leak as well.

I would definitely consider @moto-mike both my friend and I had our e-mail tunes from him for our Miatas and cannot be happier. I personally worked with many tuners for my previous cars (NA, FI) and got used both dyno tune and email tune. Subarus, Evos, Vettes, Miata and he is the best tuner that I've ever worked with. ( I also have some terrible experience with some tuners just FYI)

I am not trying to create another "dyno tune vs e-tune" debate, I believe it all comes down to experience of the tuner. If your tuner is experienced enough, I think you can even benefit from using e-tune for real road conditions (or even track use), that's not something you can do with a controlled environment such as dyno. Many believe the best way is the combination of both but I don't know what to tell you. The thing with dyno tunes (according to my past experiences) most of the time they allow you a limited time (a few pulls) and you're done.

Mike really takes his time to make the tune perfect for your car, answer all your questions and send you updated versions until he believes the tune is flawless. Also, I wouldn't jump on the number game if I were you, I think a good reliable power is more important than the last bits of hp. I can gladly sacrifice the last 5-10 hp if it makes my car more reliable for both road and track use..

Good luck with your new project ;)

People in the Subaru world have gotten good results via E-Tunes, I'm not really sold on them though and have always had my tunes done on a dyno and will do so with this car when I go FI. There are a few dyno tuners who will also take the car out on the road and fine tune things, Trey Cobb did that when he tuned my WRX. I wanted the best throttle response and it wasn't something you could really tune perfectly on a dyno.

I have no problem e-tuning FI cars, so long as the car has a wired-in wideband for logging.

Sounds like you have some good options available. The other option would be to do a hybrid where the kit is e-tuned, but while on an experienced local shop's dyno to provide a controlled environment.

You live in Houston! There are lots of great tuners there, in even capable great tuners in Austin and San Antonio. Dallas is also packed. You live in a great place for good shops and tuners.

D3PE in houston is fantastic, JMS in San An, AWD tuning in dallas.

Your in a position where id just get dyno tuned



Also D3PE is about 5 minutes or less from a e85 station.....just saying

D3PE, JMS and Boost Logic all have built and tuned some nasty 86s. Dunno about any done at a DFW based shops yet. Tho I did chat with Will and Paul at RSI, the turbo Viper shop, a while back and they mentioned possibly boosting one for a customer but that's been a while.

Texas is a great place for making cars fast. :w00t:

Not installing FI this year, maybe next year but, any install + tune places in tristate area? Hopefully an hour or so from NYC :D

Prime Motoring and Junior are in East Rutherford, NJ.

California on the other hand isn't :)

I would have to give a shout to Boosted2.0's company DD Performance Research in Katy, Texas. Does great work! I drove my car all the way to him from New Orleans for an NA tune over a year ago and it still runs flawlessly. Great guy and know his stuff. I will be going back to him when I decide what else im going to do with my car.

Hi All,

We are now offering flash and go EcuTeK tunes for ANY forced induction kit (turbo or supercharged), including your own custom FI setups. A little more on the specs on what is included or designed:

Forced Induction Tune on ANY FRS/BRZ/GT86/86 Vehicle
- Delicious Tuning 100% EcuTeK RaceROM 7 Speed Density
- Delicious Tuning On The Fly Switchable Boost Maps
- Delicious Tuning 11 PSI Plug-In Map Sensor (perfect for stock injector tuning) OR
- Delicious Tuning 26 PSI Plug-In Map Sensor
- Delicious Tuning Boost Controller and Bracket Mount
- Delicious Tuning FlexFuel Controller and Display
- Designed for OEM injectors to 11 PSI on E85 or Standard Pump Fuels
- Designed for Bosch EV14 1000cc injectors to 20+ PSI on E85
- Standard Pump Fuels 91,92,93,94 octane

If you have any questions, please email or pm.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Are you serious? Is it because of your nazi like smog laws?

What does flash and go EcuTeK tunes mean? Is it like a remote or etune where logs and maps get sent back and forth or have you already developed maps for various FI setups?

Thanks. I think I'm interested to get off the base map that came with my kit.

Like tut said, Prime motoring is right over the bridge.

Thanks. Ecutek lists a number of tuners in range of where I am; Prime isn't one of them. I was really asking about the terminology. Haven't seen "flash and go" before.

Sorry for the poor grammer. We have developed maps for ANY application. So we have a solid base map that will work on any application designed around Speed Density. So drop in one of the map sensors we recommend and you are good to go.

Depending on the power level you are at we can tune your car on STOCK injectors to about 11-12 pounds of boost on E85. If you are planning on running 91-94 octane only then you will not run out of fuel on stock injectors. Saves you a little money by not needing to upgrade injectors and allows you to have a perfect startup and idle.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

"Flash and Go" is something we coined for our Speed Density maps. Literally drop it in and drive. Yes we can perform tweaks (custom tune) but the base Speed Density map we created is fairly robust and will make good power right out of the box.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning