WTF is up with all the salvaged cars?!
 

Lol, seriously? I frequent craigslist and ebay to keep track of what the value of my car is. I've noticed recently, that I have to go through 4 or 5 posts before I find a car that doesn't have a "salvaged title." What is going on? Are these cars really being wrecked THAT much!? I know about "the curse" but geez! You buy a car that you KNOW is tail happy, you should know when to take it easy! I know there are exceptions, but this is far above the exception.

Anyone else notice this? I have a funny feeling this car is going to turn out like the Evo, or S2000, having to search for MONTHS to find one that isn't salvaged or beaten to hell.

That's kind of depressing...


I think it has to do with this car inspiring a ton of confidence in drivers+ clueless people buying this car thinking the tires are A-OKAY for any and all types of weather conditions.
I've seen so,so many posts talking about how they were driving in their twin...On stock tires...In the snow.

Yup. It was odd. I was seeing mid-teens on a lot of FS price for low mileage cars. What a bummer! I literally found one car today that wasn't salvaged on CL. It was weird.

Tailhappy nice car that isn't crazy expensive.

Lemme paint some pictures...

A:
"My parents just bought me a BRZ/FR-S and I love it!"
*3 weeks later*
"It got squirrely and I wrecked it. Freaked my parents out, but they are just happy I am ok"
*1 week later*
"Insurance check came in...wonder what car I should get now...thinking a BMW 1 series or that new Mustang"

B:
"This is the first new car I ever had...and I am 21 years old"
*6 months later*
"I was showing off a bit and I wrecked my baby..."
*1 Week later*
"Insurance is ****ing me and and they are only giving me 70% what my car is worth" (worth is what they are basing what they owed on their car...which was of course financed at a high interest rate for 6+ years...oh and they where upside down on their trade in too...as per tradition)

C:
"Check out my new build"
"It really fast"
"Its totaled now...I am going to take off all my exotic upgrades and re-build it"
"Insurance rebuilds and sells it"

I have seen all these scenarios played out on this forum a few times.

Long story short...
*Rich kids who don't appreciate their stuff...get this car...
*Young people who get this car because its the first big nice item they ever got for themselves...sadly...they feel the need to show off and tear it up.
*This is a tuner car...tuner cars get wrecked...

One other thing...if airbag gets blown...often they car will be considered totaled.

lol! great points

It's people driving on stocks in winter or rain. And they think 154hp stock to wheel won't kill you

Lol


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conspiracy: car companies deliberately making cars that are much more easy to total in light of being "safer"

think about it. a totaled car to a car company means someone is going to buy ANOTHER brand new car from them. and no one would question it, because it is supposedly safer.


also, I don't think it has anything to do with the drivers, I think it has to do with this cars being crunchy and easily totaled.

This.

I know a few young guys that are pretty well controlled and have had their cars for a good while. I'm young myself. But there's a time and place for everything and if that isn't completely apparent then you probably shouldn't be driving like an idiot cause it will go wrong at some point.

There's always that freak possibility that something really did go wrong accidentally though, going slower than the speed limit in rainy conditions, adjusting to the conditions, hydroplaning and losing it for example. Stuff does happen so that's understandable but ultimately I think a lot of it comes down to mental maturity and driver experience.

Lol at story a. My friend in high school got a neew 350z and he landed it on a cement divider in the rain. His parents then got him anaccord lol

uhhh... yes it does.

Or assholes like to distract themselves rear end you and your beloved new car you love like no other -_-

With no insurance!!!! I'm a tad bitter..

well, yeah, everyone wants to say that. everyone wants to come on the forum and say "I'm a great driver, it takes skill to drive this car, everyone else sucks and they all total it"

which is exactly what everyone in this thread has said.

The backside of that torque dip is like vtec kicking in yo.

I do think people get a little over-confident in their driving abilities because this car lulls you into thinking you are a better driver than you actually are.

There is a reason that a BRZ/FR-S is more expensive to insure than a V6 270 HP Camry.

Insurance companies evaluate rates based on percentages...

It can't just be the ass end looks so great that people just get distracted by it and wanna ram it from behind (sorry Missy...I had to)

Yeah, I'd hit that... <CRUNCH>

I think the nannies are somewhat to blame.

Without the nannies, you learn to approach the limits of the vehicle and it misbehaves gradually as you learn the feel of the car.

Now the nannies keep you in check (sometimes without the driver even knowing they were at the limit) when you should have been learning something from the car.

Then when you exceed what the nannies are capable of recovering from it cuts loose with a vengance.
So I blame the computer assists for why so many of these get totaled.

Not what I said at all. If the car went too fast into a corner, crashed, and totalled itself without anyone in the drivers seat, then it's the car's fault and it doesnt have anything to do with the driver.

Maybe, to some degree I understand how they can inspire overconfidence. But I'll call bullshit if any driver is being a **** on the road, crashed, and then tries to blame the aids. No, it's not the driving aids' fault. It's the driver at fault. The driving aids didn't crash the car, the driver did. In fact if they had just left that computer-assisted shit on, they may not have crashed at all! I can't think of a good reason to turn it off on public roads with exception to a situation where it's preventing you from gaining traction, like if you need to get unstuck from mud, snow, something.. If someone is trying to push the limits of their vehicle on the road, there's a good chance they're being a huge douche. I enjoy spirited drives as much as the rest of us, but part of maturing includes not overestimating the ability of the vehicle and driving well below my confidence level while on public roads.

Only a little bit though, by the sounds of it. Lol...

Thats the worst part, it's not always you, it's the other guy!

I guess you didnt read my experience where the VSC kicked on with it disabled and spun me into oncoming traffic? Yes it was in the snow, but I tried to recover from a trivial wheel slip when the VSC cut power and applied the wrong brakes for the situation and induced snap in oversteer which spun the car the opposite direction. So Bullshit all you like...

AND you missed the point. WHat I was saying is that for a new driver, depending on the nannies is just fine until you start pushing the limits all the time because you never knew you were at the limit.

Without the nannies, you gradually learn how the car handles as it is losing grip. With the assists, you never get the feel of having to recover until it is not possible to recover.

well, they are safer

more crumple zones means less force on the driver, the car is a throw away but your health is better off

try getting into a car accident in a caged car... your internals are gonna take a beating

I'm not sure you read what I wrote. Unless you're saying you were driving like a **** and almost crashed? :iono:

And no, I didn't miss the point. People shouldn't be anywhere near limits when they're on a public road, period. If conditions dictate that you change your driving to compensate, then it should be done.

edit: Did it kick in after you did the pedal dance, or just pressing the button?

Wait what... I have 167 and I drive in the rain on stocks...

You drive like an old blind man, you don't count lol

I've had the nannies kick in even when I deactivated them through the 5 second press... scary shit to be honest when I don't expect the car to just die out doing a tight U turn where I only have a few seconds of gap since visibility sucks.

I was saying that if you are a new driver and (possiblY) have never driven a RWD car before, then you might not understand that you are overdriving the car becasue the nannies are keeping you in check.

I constantly notice when I lean on the throttle too hard on say a left turn and I feel the TC cut my throttle.
An inexperienced driver might not know that the TC kicked in and assume they were driving just fine.
This could lead people to constantly drive at the limits without realizing it.

Just the buttons - so I know it just lowers the car's intervention threshold.
If I had left them ON or done the pedal dance, it probably would not have happened.

True... I never see the speed limit :bellyroll:

Dealerships also won't take trades that are salvage/rebuilt, so the people have to resort to Craigs list, or some other sales medium to get rid of the car. D

Don't get me wrong, I've bought really good used cars on CL, it's just you have to sift through a ton of shit to find that one elusive diamond. You can also get raped from Craigs list, so be wise.

Not really, I have to take a intersaction that goes from flt to a 30 degree hill, if it's wet, even with the nannies off, the nannies kick in at 8mph.

Atropine pretty much summed it up.

Cheap, RWD and decently powered means easy access by idiots.

Those of us who do drive decently and smartly more often than not are actually rare. I can't say I'm perfect though because I've done my fair share of stupidness too but got lucky.

You say it like it's a bad thing. Salvage titles can be gifts or curses.

People always crash. You can't succeed without failing, i rather someone crash this car then a NA Miata...

DONT YOU DARE apologize for that, freaking hilarious. As well as true as hell :D

Agree. Same here. Part luck. Part brains.

Oh, it's the drivers. No driver, no crash. More specifically, the part where - most of the time it's - males are interested in speed, being the fastest and having a cool car, but are not interested in receiving any form of driver tuition, no interest in how to drive properly and safely in traffic, no interest in driving techniques unless it makes you look cool.

The best driver is the one that knows they WILL make mistakes. That know they aren't always at the top of their game. That know that your racing pedigree doesn't matter if you make a mistake - it is here and now that counts, PAY ATTENTION! That know that good car control is not the same as being a good driver. That know you always need margin for error - your own error and others errors. That know that speed both enlarge errors - a lot - and multiplies the consequences of errors enormously.

Pick your place and time. Pick your speed conciously. Don't make one time exceptions - "watch this!".

DO YOUR RACING ON THE TRACK

I love driving and the twins are the perfect tool for that. That's all folks.

Edit: which of course doesn't exclude the possibility it was the other driver's fault - just don't blame the other all the time ;)

Yeah I'm assuming that all the salvage titles are due to underestimating their STOCK tires.

Corrected ;)