It's April, why is Scion still advertising the '13 on its site?
 

ARe there that many out there that Scion is still trying to move? I've never seen a manufacturer do that, even at the bottom of the recession.

Yup!

A local dealer still has 3 10 Series still on their lot. Of course they aren't marked down because of the "pure pricing" nonsense. However, I certainly wouldn't want to buy a car that's been sitting on the lot for nearly a year without a heavy discount so that's probably why they aren't selling.

I thought pure pricing only applied to the newest model year? I could be wrong. I wouldn't pay more then 22k for a base 2013.

Actually there are discounts for last year's models (they were even posted on the website). No dealer is going to let last years model sit on their lot without throwing you a bone.




BTW- the earliest they could have been there was probably was June but people were snapping them up when they hit the ports. These are probably the last batch people didn't want because the new (& cheaper) '14s came out and especially when news of the 2014 Monogram hit. It doesn't help sales trying to sell a RWD car with summer tires in winter and a newer model that has a couple of extra features with the ability to choose the color.

There is an auto 10 series near me thats for sale still. 32k. Thats why

32k for glow badges seems like a good deal to me

When I got my oil changed a few weeks ago and they were still sitting there for MSRP. If they are discounted, they certainly aren't discounted enough because nobody wants them.

I know that the winter here was terrible, I barely drove my car, but it's still kind of disappointing that they have 2013s on the lot and the 2015s will be rolling in shortly. It kind of reminds me of the 370z, I saw 2009s on the lot when the 2011s were coming in and the Nissan dealers were still asking $1000-$2000 below MSRP on a car that was 2 years old.

I paid 22k for my 2013 "new". I'm sure it varies from dealer to dealer.

My 10 series was 1500 off MSRP back in December of 2013. :) it was on "manager special"

32k?!?!, let me guess, they put on a bunch of accessories (OEM and non) including rust inhibitor and asteroid proofing. Come on, that's a particularly dopey dealership to think anybody is going to buy that.

Im honestly not sure, I saw the number 32000 on the windshield and i proceeded to shriek, jump up and cling onto the roof with my head spinning.

My local dealer has a 10 Series with a tacked-on wing and aftermarket leather, it was previously priced at $32k but they've knocked it down to $27.6 now... I kinda wanted to buy it until I saw what was done to the interior.

Starting to believe this:

Clueless dealers do the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ no favors

This was very similar to my purchasing experience. They kept trying to sell me all these warranties and protections and not the car itself. The finance manager was much worse; felt like I was being guilt tripped into buying all this extra crap.

As Brother Ray (that's Ray Charles, for you young 'uns) said: "But on the other hand, baby....." - things are worth what they're worth when they're worth it.

I bought a new '13 last month at $1k off plus an extra year of free service & roadside assistance. If they'd had a '14 exactly as I wanted it, I'd have taken it instead - but they didn't. I wanted a black base car and I got it. We keep our cars for 8 to 10 years (I traded an 8 year old 350Z, and my wife's car is in its 10th year). There were no other cars to consider - I wanted a small, good looking, agile car with personality, a real spare, and a trunk that'll hold my guitar, amp head, Mesa Boogie cab and a gear bag without needing a shoehorn.

It's spring and I wanted a new car. I found exactly what I wanted and needed. I love it, and wasting weeks pursuing a lower price just didn't seem to be worth the hassle. When I sell or trade it in 8 to 10 years, the extra year of depreciation might have added $100 a year to my total cost of ownership.

PS: Road & Track's on the mark about the sales staff. Steve was actually better than average, as he only got 2 really important things wrong: no, all Toyotas do NOT run fine on 87, and the USB port is not also a connection to the system (at least on my car, unless I'm missing something - I still have to use BT for audio). And I wasted a half hour of my day "just saying no" to the add-on cr@p.

After the first 86, dealers thought they had the prized pony and everything was listed more than MSRP. Some suckers paid the price anyway and it perpetuated the issue. Once the average buyer got onto negotiating and shopping around prices were being negotiated and incetives added, but it was too late for the initial rush that would have caused long-term sell-outs. If at the beginning you could get the same ratio of reduction as any other car, they could have upped the price for 2014 to make up for it. They simply had too much inventory when 2014 production started.

I just looked in a 500 mile radius of me there are 100 "marked as new" 2013 BRZs for sale and 1100 FR-S are listed. Granted some are duplicate entries and some are dealer demos marked as "new" but with 6k+ miles on them. Shameful.

Think how easy it is to list someone you "spotted" and how "rare" it is to see one of these cars on the road. If the 2013s were out on the road at $2500 and $3500 reductions, they would bring in new customers. I've said it before and I'll say it again...someone in marketing needs to be fired over at the 86 project. I mean when was the last time you saw the commercial for this car? I haven't seen it since the first 6 months; I heard at least 3 Camry commercials on my way into work today.

This past weekend I saw a brand new FR-S commercial a few times on TV, but I can't remember which network. It was the "Epic" theme that they are focusing on in the main page of the scion.com site. Honestly, my first thought was "awe man, now everyone is gonna get one!" I kind of like the fact that there are only a handful around here.

I looked on youtube for the commercial but couldn't find it.

I got my '13 FR-S for $1500 off of sticker about a month ago. Was stickered at a little over $26K and paid a little over $24.5K before TTTs.

In my search to buy I found three problems:

1: In this area it seems the cars sold well enough during the summer, enough for some dealer to get an extra allocation. So the dealers got 8 cars instead of 7 in their second shipment. Trouble was the extra allocations came on to the lots in late summer/early fall and people stopped buying them for winter.

2: People are buying these cars w/o understanding them. After the 'honeymoon period' they discover its not the car for them and they trade it back in. This leads to several dealers having a CPO car on their lots with about 6K on the odometer and only a $2k price reduction.

3: The dealers aren't that interested in the product. They were eager to sell them when they were hot and new in June 2012, but they've found that the poeple that really want the cars know more about it than the salesman do. (That's the case with most tunner cars anyway.)

I've visited 6 dealers. Two were Subaru dealers only allocated one car at a time. The next Subie dealer had two new '14s and a CPO 13. Another Subie dealer had 4 new '14s, 2 new 13's ($4,500 off) and a CPO. A Toytoa/Scion dealer had one new '13 A/T full price. The second Toyota/Scion dealer had 4 new '13s and a CPO '13.

Bottom line: The Manufacturer needs to advertise the cars to maintain interest, and the sales people need to know the facts or just shut up. Nobody should be paying MSRP on a NEW 2013 right now.

My 10 Series was marked $28,180 and I got it for $24,180... The dealers that are smart about these cars are willing to deal!

Here is the commercial I mentioned earlier.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQoY0jC2uyo"]2014 Scion FR-S - "Makes Everything Epic" - YouTube[/ame]

my dealership had 3 MY13's on their lots for about 6 months. the week i bought my car, someone had bought one too the day before. a week after i bought my car though, they got a 10 series in and it was sold in a couple of days.

the third one from the first batch (the only automatic) is still on their lot today. lol

The 2013 models kept getting produced well into the later half of 2013 when most other manufacturer's switched over to 2014.

You could say the 10 series could've (and probably should've) been released as a 2014 model.

The sales rep and advisor at Regency Toyota must know 10 times as much as I do about my FR-S. But at the time of purchase I barely gave a damn!

Are you using an android? Both mine and my buddies frs' will play my iPhones music through the radio using the USB, and allows switching through the head unit, however his android will not play in either of our cars

I have an iPhone. But I just realized that because I'm streaming FLAC files from my home server, I'm using a different renderer (I have Serve-to-Me and Stream-to-Me on my phone and home server). I'll try using the internal player in the iPhone on my way home and see if that works via USB. Thanks!

A dealer nearby still had two 13's one auto the other manual and they marked them down by 3k and they got sold just last week. Each dealer does there own thing and I they need to get those 13s off the lot quickly now if there are any left. All I see hear are under-educated salesmen and poor marketing.

And that's the answer. My iPhone shows as an iPod via USB and works fine with the internal player. But to play Stream-to-Me or Tonido through the system, I have to connect with BT even when also connected via USB.

IIRC the audio system itself cannot play FLAC or Apple Lossless files, the HU manual indicated that there was no support for those formats (I looked into this because that is all I use) but I guess you could use the aux out (headphone jack) from an iPod to send the analog signal to the HU to get around that?

My FLACs play fine via BT using either Tonido or Stream-to-Me. There has to be a player and DAC in the head unit if it'll play files from a USB drive or an iThing via USB - and that's the circuit that won't decode lossless files. But that's bypassed with BT sources because the file conversion's done in the source device - and the amplification doesn't care what the source file was, once it's converted to analog. So you can stream lossless files via BT because they're not being decoded by the head unit. But you can't play them via USB because that uses the onboard DAC.

The sound quality seems much better from my FLAC sources than from the same tunes ripped to mp3 and played via the USB port, so I'm pretty sure the above is correct. But I'd love to know if I'm right or just kidding myself because I know which ones I'm playing.

Most of the cars at the local dealers here are '14s, but there is one 10 series and one 5Axis-kitted car nearby. Both of them were marked up into the 30's when first on the lot. Now they're both marked back down below MSRP, but nobody's bitten yet. Though, with the incentives, that 10 series is getting mighty tempting...

It's not just the FR-S, it's the whole Scion line. Their problem is this idiotic Pure Bullshit Pricing. Get rid of that retarded shit and sales should increase.

The lease incentive on the 10 series is very tempting. I'm going to try my luck at leasing a monogram 6mt, but the former may be the best value. :burnrubber: