Autocross next wknd for me! Interesting response re: classing..
 

" Hi Mark,

Once they've sold 1,000 cars in the US, it'll be eligible for Stock class. Until it's officially classed (later this year or next year), it'll be in Super Stock (SS). It will likely end up in C-Stock, but speculation doesn't count :)

If you have the chance to race it before they've sold 1,000 in this country, you could run in Time-Only.

--Bryan"

So we really can't run any stock class until 1000 are sold?? :iono::fighting0040:

I guess just to get behind the wheel and run the course, learn how the car reacts/handles and such is what I am really looking fwd. to mostly! Excited to see how it does!! But how lame on classing / time only...

Any insight / thoughts?

Thanks!

^^ just some of the reasons SCCA annoys me :) I understand that they have rules and all that, but hell..

lol :paddle:

Well, at least now I don't feel bad about not pre-ordering so I'd have one in time for summer autocrossing.

Until national classing is announced it is completely up to the descretion of the local region where to put you. That being said, if they allow you to run cs and a cs competitor gets grumpy about it, they can protest you... But at locals people dont (and shouldnt) care that much. Usually if you ask nicely to your competition before the event you will be fine. Besides, i assume youll be running the oe tires which shouldnt be competitive anyway. Just go have fun and dont worry about it. Run XP

FWIW classing info should be proposed or announced in the next fasttrack

Yea F that my local chairman should know better than to class it under SS. I'll ask for CS.

Thanks Guys!! Yeah I will give it a shot, I wouldn't think others would have an issue, racing on stock tires and hoping CS will work! If not, I will still have fun battling the course / learning the car :)

You're going into A Mod and your girl will be getting a call that you were hooning it up in her car.:paddle:

edit: happy birthday too.

^^^haha!!! Thanks Jon!! I call bollocks on you calling Bizzy up!! Lol. Adam way very well have "Michelle's" BRZ before me. He got a VIN today.

I spoke to guy in charge of classing, he said he is cool w/ letting me run C-Stock as long as others in class don't have a problem, PROGRESS !! Regardless, I just want to go battle the course and learn the cars handling/limits!

Yeah I'm running with the DSP cars at my local club next month. That's where my other car runs so the guys there won't care.

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Right on, that's cool !!

Hey Mark ,

Watched this past weekend because only had 245 miles I plan on running at next months autox . I'm with you on the fun and learning the car

Bill

Frsnky ultramarine, manual

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Right on !!

I just ordered Hankook RS3's for next race June 9/10th weekend. Shall be whole new car on Sticky 140 treadwear tires, Can't Wait :thumbsup:

Did you stick with the 215's? I was going to do 225, but after looking at it I think the RS3's will do best with the 215's. The tread is almost an inch wider than the Primacy HPs.

Only two of my Traklites came in today though... gotta wait till monday for the other two.

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OEM Size to stick w/ C-Stock Class :thumbsup:

Right on! What are weight of those? I am prob going w/ RPF1s Blk.

About 14.1lbs. They also have the perfect 42mm offset, especially if I put 245 hoosiers on them for CStock rather than RTR.

Since I wanted to stay in stock class prep I didn't go with the RPF1's.

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Wow that's Great weight ! How much are they?

Yeah for now just putting on Oem wheels, then later do wheels.

I got them for 268/ea through my local tire guy. Being forged they weigh less than comparable cast wheels.

I have 225/45/17s mounted already for rs3s and a set of star specs. I need new lug nuts for them though. I have a event this weekend but the car wont be broken in by then so I may have to wait until the tenth.

Just so you know, you can run any size tire you want...you just have to keep the same wheel diameter and width and stay in Stock classes.

Can't wait to test these RS3's out !!!

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...7/66b75ef1.jpg

I put myself in STX *pro* class... as they get scored different on a different index than standard folks... that way I lessen the controversy that will surround the classing of this thing...and since its a shakedown run anyways... I am not expecting Miracles.. just want to get a feel for the car... will have some mods done on Sat...Exhuast turndown... Rims/tires...Rear Swaybar (16mm).... Endlinks... and most likely...my 4pot brakes going on.. since I am prepping for STX for real anyways..;)

Bill

Time for some tire totes if your hauling them in the car to events.

+1
If I start autocrossing the FRS, I'll be picking up a set from TireRack.

Speaking to classing the car...
If it's put in CS, it will be fine unless it starts beating all the miatas, then there will be protests and they'll probably move it somewhere else (my cynicism speaking there). I would probably try to keep this in stock class if possible or one of the modest Steet Tire classes. Time will tell though. :)

They're stupid if they don't make the FR-S/BRZ the car to have in whatever class it'll be in.

There's going to be a lot of these, and a lot of those will gravitate toward AutoX, which would greatly help the SCCA. Unless they're stupid.

I should finally have first hand experience w/ one of these next weekend. I stand by assertion that this car is a back marker in C Stock. The RX8 and 370Z have nothing to fear when they have wide R comps on. The MSR and ZOK still get the job done. Regular MR-Ss, Skystices, and Miatae are the back markers and compare similarly to the BRZ.

The latter will annihilate the competition that is in D Stock. The soft landing is in E Stock which is running much faster than D Stock.

There is no point for SCCA to go out of it's way to favorably class a car based on someone possibly attending an event. Everyone knows ten people who have said that they go to an event for every one person who has followed thru on what they have said. Way to piss off existing club members...:paddle:

That is simply not true. The intent of the SCCA classing structure is to maximize participation and membership. I am not saying it's perfect, it's far from it, but you cant please everyone (If you think you can do a better job, apply for an Advisory Committee position).

Popular cars get multiple places to play, less popular cars get mixed in with all the fodder and occasionally CAN be competitive under the right circumstances. There is a reason 30 year old civics are treated as they are, same as 20 year old miatas and 10 year old S2000s. They are popular, people like to come race them. If a car is viewed by the SEB as a critical vehicle to gain membership and event participation, they will treat it that way and make it competitive. It's up to us to show up and compete and prove them right. :thumbup:

I can easily see the MS-R and Z0K getting bumped to BS starting next year.

Can I ask why you selected to go with 215 size, rather a wider than stock size?
(Like 225 or 235?)

I am looking to run in the RTR Stock Class and am looking for street tire input on 7" wide wheels.

The super regional at El Toro in California is classing car as C.

Then where do the 2.0T kappas go?

Gee I wonder whose car that will be?!?! :burnrubber:

I really am considering driving all night just to put some miles on it lol

215's are probably the right choice for a 7" rim and a soft sidewall street tire. The Hankook's tread is also almost an inch wider than the stock 215's.

If I was running A6's, I would stuff 245's on the rims.

Yea that is a good point... I guess the more that I look at it that doesn't quite make sense without reorging multiple classes (again)... though AS hasn't had a whole heck of a lot of participation since the last re-org. It might make sense to bump the GXP and S2000 to AS (essentially the same Indexes).

I guess it would make more sense if the BRZ/FR-S isnt competitive in CS to take them and some of the other CS also-rans down to ES instead of bumping others out.


Yaaay for speculation :iono:

I love E-Stock, but it is time for something new there.

I've just mounted 235/45/17 Dunlops -- stiffer sidewall than the Kooks. I'd have preferred the 40s but they were out of stock, and this gets a couple mph more in 2nd.

BTW, we ran 255 Yoks on a 7.5 inch rim on an RTR S2000 CR.

We've got an event Saturday -- if rollover is bad I'll post again ...

TBH I think you made a wise choice with the 45s over the 40s. Here in DFW, the courses usually have me bouncing off the limiter in a 2.0T Genesis (60mph about). If its like that for your courses, good decision :)

Here is my oem vs Hankook, both a 215/45/17, Surprised me how much larger the tread blocks and wider setup!

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...7/34a418c4.jpg

1st Impressions, much more road noise and wow steering is CRISP/Responsive !!

Can't wait to hit the Autocross on them Sunday !!

I've got an identical set of rims with 245 starspecs so I'll see if I can pull off a comparison at the next event.