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FullBlown 03-27-2014 03:54 PM

FBM Stage 1 and Stage 2 Head packages
 
Here is the finished product of our Stage 1 and stage 2 FA20 Cylinder head packages

Our Stage 1 is designed for street and strip use with the same port treatment as our stage 2.

Our Stage 2 is designed for competition/race use but is still street friendly. It includes nothing but the best materials available to withstand high amounts of boost and anti-lag. This is the same package used in our shop car.

-----FBM Stage 1 Fa20 Head package ----

- FBM Competition port and Polish intake and exhaust ports

- Competition Valve Job

- Resurfaced and Clean and assembly

- Ferrea 6000 series Valves

- Ferrea Single Valve Springs

- Ferrea Tool Steel Retainers

- Ferrea Seat locators and new valve stem seals

Stage 1 Retail = $2495 plus core



-----FBM Stage 2 Fa20 Head package ----

- FBM Competition port and Polish intake and exhaust ports

- Competition Valve Job

- Resurfaced and Clean and assembly

- Ferrea Comp Plus Valves

- Ferrea Dual Valve Springs

- Ferrea Titanium Retainers

- Ferrea Seat locators and new valve stem seals

Stage 2 Retail = $2995 plus core

Stock Exhaust Flow @ .500 lift = 170
FBM Stage 1 & 2 Exhaust Flow @ .500 = 220

Stock Intake Flow @ .500 lift = 280
FBM Stage 1 & 2 Intake Flow @ .500 = 305


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Sportsguy83 03-27-2014 03:57 PM

Dammnit..... ridiculous as usual... great work!

crook 03-27-2014 05:02 PM

Is there going to be cams on the horizon or does stock seem to be more than enough? Also are you guys going to do a complete long motor for us Aussie guys to just import?

woode 03-27-2014 05:17 PM

+1 on cams..
any discounts if ordered with your guys' short block as well?

sw20kosh 03-27-2014 05:18 PM

I don't suppose dyno charts would follow? Stock vs. New Heads?

FullBlown 03-27-2014 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crook (Post 1630529)
Is there going to be cams on the horizon or does stock seem to be more than enough? Also are you guys going to do a complete long motor for us Aussie guys to just import?

Mild regrinds are in the works and a complete short block is available :)

Calum 03-27-2014 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 1630326)

Stage 2 Retail = $2995 plus core

Stock Exhaust Flow @ .500 lift = 170
FBM Stage 1 & 2 Exhaust Flow @ .500 = 220

Stock Intake Flow @ .500 lift = 280
FBM Stage 1 & 2 Intake Flow @ .500 = 305

paging Dr. @Dimman ^^

oh, and @arghx7 might be interested in those numbers as well.

How would these packages do with a high RPM NA setup?

How well do the ported ports lineup with the OEM intake manifold? Will the FBM intake manifold be required to avoid reversion?

FullBlown 03-27-2014 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 1630770)
paging Dr. @Dimman ^^

oh, and @arghx7 might be interested in those numbers as well.

How would these packages do with a high RPM NA setup?

How well do the ported ports lineup with the OEM intake manifold? Will the FBM intake manifold be required to avoid reversion?

We might have a car here that we will be testing for NA pretty soon. I don't think the FBM IM will be required but we will test all sorts of combinations when they are done.

Black86 03-27-2014 06:39 PM

Not a bad price to get the block and head built by Full Blown! this is awesome ; cams and the intake manifold will complete this!

Calum 03-27-2014 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 1630795)
We might have a car here that we will be testing for NA pretty soon. I don't think the FBM IM will be required but we will test all sorts of combinations when they are done.

Oh yeah, is that the price per head, or per engine? I'm assuming it's for two heads, but one never knows.

FullBlown 03-27-2014 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 1630817)
Oh yeah, is that the price per head, or per engine? I'm assuming it's for two heads, but one never knows.

It is for a pair of heads

arghx7 03-27-2014 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 1630326)
Stage 2 Retail = $2995 plus core

Stock Exhaust Flow @ .500 lift = 170
FBM Stage 1 & 2 Exhaust Flow @ .500 = 220

Stock Intake Flow @ .500 lift = 280
FBM Stage 1 & 2 Intake Flow @ .500 = 305

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 1630770)
paging Dr. @Dimman ^^

oh, and @arghx7 might be interested in those numbers as well.

How would these packages do with a high RPM NA setup?

How well do the ported ports lineup with the OEM intake manifold? Will the FBM intake manifold be required to avoid reversion?

Can we get some kind of baseline comparison with the stock heads, preferably overlaid with the stock lift profile? You're listing at .500 inches of lift and I don't even know if the stock cams have that much lift.

mike the snake 03-27-2014 08:08 PM

Is this like your shortblocks, where we send in our heads as cores, or is this price for the pair of heads outright?

Very tempting, for 6 grand I could have a total monnster!

Reground cams would require custom shimming, correct?

I need to get my car sorted out as it is first though.

NickFRS 03-27-2014 08:48 PM

Must have..... Shipping a full block sounds expensive though...

mike the snake 03-27-2014 09:07 PM

I once used anoutfit called "Forward Air" to ship big heavy stuff.

They have depots near every big airport. You need to pick up at their depot, as they don't do door-to-door, but it was SOOOO cheap.


Quote:

Originally Posted by NickFRS (Post 1631105)
Must have..... Shipping a full block sounds expensive though...


xxscaxx 03-27-2014 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickFRS (Post 1631105)
Must have..... Shipping a full block sounds expensive though...

Its not as bad as you think. I shipped my motor out of a freight place near my house and it was like 150 bucks I think if that. You put it on a pallet and onto a truck. I wrapped it up and placed it on a tire, then on a pallet.

Tansey86 03-27-2014 09:10 PM

Damn, thats some good head.

NickFRS 03-27-2014 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxscaxx (Post 1631165)
Its not as bad as you think. I shipped my motor out of a freight place near my house and it was like 150 bucks I think if that. You put it on a pallet and onto a truck. I wrapped it up and placed it on a tire, then on a pallet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike the snake (Post 1631156)
I once used anoutfit called "Forward Air" to ship big heavy stuff.

They have depots near every big airport. You need to pick up at their depot, as they don't do door-to-door, but it was SOOOO cheap.

My bank acount is going to hate u 2.... Time to call around and get general quotes.

FullBlown 03-27-2014 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1630567)
I don't suppose dyno charts would follow? Stock vs. New Heads?

Sorry nothing yet, but very soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arghx7 (Post 1630930)
Can we get some kind of baseline comparison with the stock heads, preferably overlaid with the stock lift profile? You're listing at .500 inches of lift and I don't even know if the stock cams have that much lift.

I will get a chart up in a few days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike the snake (Post 1631012)
Is this like your shortblocks, where we send in our heads as cores, or is this price for the pair of heads outright?

Very tempting, for 6 grand I could have a total monnster!

Reground cams would require custom shimming, correct?

I need to get my car sorted out as it is first though.

We would need your cores, and yes shimming is required. We can offer that service too.

We can also offer full long blocks ready to drop in. We have done a few of those already.

FullBlown 03-27-2014 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woode (Post 1630563)
+1 on cams..
any discounts if ordered with your guys' short block as well?

It is a possibility but to be honest, there really isn't much room left.

MoogDiesel 03-27-2014 11:35 PM

Soon...SOOOOOOOOOnnnnnn!!!!

Going broke in 2015.........Keep it up FBM!!!

Dimman 03-27-2014 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 1630795)
We might have a car here that we will be testing for NA pretty soon. I don't think the FBM IM will be required but we will test all sorts of combinations when they are done.

What pressure are those cfm from?

Standard 28" Water Column?

Sportsguy83 03-28-2014 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 1630820)
It is for a pair of heads

1 great head is awesome...

But then FBM is giving us two... :party0030:

Dimman 03-28-2014 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arghx7 (Post 1630930)
Can we get some kind of baseline comparison with the stock heads, preferably overlaid with the stock lift profile? You're listing at .500 inches of lift and I don't even know if the stock cams have that much lift.

I missed this, but totally agree. That's 12.7mm lift, and I doubt stock is much more than 8.5mm.

So not too relevant information without more data. In all honesty, less than a 10% gain on the intake at such high lift doesn't give me high expectations. I can hope at least that they don't kill much velocity so there's that...

midnight23 03-28-2014 03:38 AM

what would be the additional core cost if we didn't want to send ours in?

FullBlown 03-28-2014 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midnight23 (Post 1631897)
what would be the additional core cost if we didn't want to send ours in?

$1300 for the core if you want to keep yours. That would be just for the head without rockers, cam plates ect ect. Just like how you see it in the pics.

Calum 03-28-2014 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 1631668)
I missed this, but totally agree. That's 12.7mm lift, and I doubt stock is much more than 8.5mm.

So not too relevant information without more data. In all honesty, less than a 10% gain on the intake at such high lift doesn't give me high expectations. I can hope at least that they don't kill much velocity so there's that...

Agreed. The stock numbers aren't bad assuming their taken at 28", but I was hoping there'd be more room for improvements.

Coheed 03-28-2014 05:17 PM

305 is pretty good. This is slightly better than K20s I've had flowed. Granted, those can see really amazing flow rates with a good amount of work. this looks like a very streetable setup that should prove reliable with a modest bump in power. Cams will gain a lot. These cams are probably a 250* with 8-9mm lift if I had to guess. Here's hoping for a ~270* with 11mm for a street cam that's aggressive. Should be able to dial out some lope. Not really sure how this engine will react to this because this is my first subaru.

sofargone561 09-25-2014 12:53 AM

Awesome! now bring on cams!

dabocx 09-25-2014 01:53 AM

Any idea if there will be upgrades for the rockers?

EZWood 09-25-2014 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabocx (Post 1960211)
Any idea if there will be upgrades for the rockers?

I don't think the stock rockers are bad at all. Have you seen what they look like?

troek 09-25-2014 02:46 AM

sub'd cause awesome.

sw20kosh 09-25-2014 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZWood (Post 1960233)
I don't think the stock rockers are bad at all. Have you seen what they look like?

There have been multiple rockers failing ... including on a completely stock motor.

FullBlown 09-25-2014 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sofargone561 (Post 1960135)
Awesome! now bring on cams!

We offer a stage 1 cam right now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabocx (Post 1960211)
Any idea if there will be upgrades for the rockers?

We modify the rockers on all our in house builds. Unfortunately they can only be done in house with our complete head packages.

EZWood 09-25-2014 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1960310)
There have been multiple rockers failing ... including on a completely stock motor.

I was unaware of this. I'll have to do a search. Thanks for the info.

Calum 09-25-2014 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 1960459)
We offer a stage 1 cam right now.



We modify the rockers on all our in house builds. Unfortunately they can only be done in house with our complete head packages.

Another vendor made a post today that indicates the 14's have longer valves than the 13's. Any idea why Subaru would make this change?

pleong 11-11-2014 10:01 PM

any dynos with the heads? how far into the power band are you able to hold power? and where are yall redlining?

GotBRZ1691 11-11-2014 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pleong (Post 2018888)
any dynos with the heads? how far into the power band are you able to hold power? and where are yall redlining?


+1 , few months away form company yearly bonus time. Going to be mostly financially irresponsible and buy car parts :thumbsup:

Thorpedo 11-12-2014 09:09 AM

@FullBlown +1 for flow numbers at stockish lift levels. You guys got awfully quiet once the questions started flying ;) Those gains are really impressive at .500, but if you want people to throw their money at you then we need to know what we should expect without massive cams.

pleong 11-12-2014 09:18 AM

Also, how are the rocker arms holding up? I've read that these can be one of the weak points of the head on the FA20...


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