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MoneyMikeF 03-21-2014 01:54 PM

What a few simple mods and a tune can do.
 
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Hi everybody I would just like to share with you my results of a few simple mods and a tune. I tuned my Burrzz on both 93 octane and E85. There will also be dyno sheets below

Mod List:
K&N Air Intake - $281.00
Borla UEL Headers - $510.00
DC Sports Test Pipe - $140.00
Invidia Q300 TI Cat-back Exhaust - $745.50

Total cost after tax and all had free shipping - $1,676.50

Tuned by:
P&L Motorsports "Home of the worlds fastest Subarus" - $1,100.00
Tuned on both 93 octane and E85

Total cost of parts and tune - $2776.50

On the Dyno
Attachment 71400


E85 Results
Attachment 71403


93 Results
Attachment 71401


Both Results Overlaid
Attachment 71402



Gained 43.02 rwhp on E85
Gained 31.92 rwhp on 93 Octane

Doesn't sound like much but it is very noticeable and makes the car a lot more fun to drive. Hope you guys enjoyed this and if you have any questions feel free to ask.

sshole 03-21-2014 02:13 PM

Buys 200hp car, spends $2800 to make it 180hp.

This platform is so depressing for making power.

Ec1990 03-21-2014 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sshole (Post 1616135)
Buys 200hp car, spends $2800 to make it 180hp.

This platform is so depressing for making power.

That makes no sense? You're comparing brake to engine horsepower.

Superhatch 03-21-2014 02:24 PM

Making 31hp with out cams is pretty average/good for an NA build I think. Outside of the Honda K20, which is possibly the most brilliant NA motor ever, I don't think I would expect more out of any other 2.0L NA motor currently on the market.

Superhatch 03-21-2014 02:25 PM

The tune included software/cable etc?

MoneyMikeF 03-21-2014 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sshole (Post 1616135)
Buys 200hp car, spends $2800 to make it 180hp.

This platform is so depressing for making power.


To the wheels the BRZ is at about 150 rwhp. The 200hp you are referring to is measured at the crank.

Also you can just judge a car on its horsepower alone. It's all about the horsepower to weight ratio.

MoneyMikeF 03-21-2014 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superhatch (Post 1616179)
The tune included software/cable etc?

Yeah it included everything.

husker741 03-21-2014 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sshole (Post 1616135)
Buys 200hp car, spends $2800 to make it 180hp.

This platform is so depressing for making power.

Dumb response is dumb.

JS + BRZ 03-21-2014 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sshole (Post 1616135)
Buys 200hp car, spends $2800 to make it 180hp.

This platform is so depressing for making power.

200 hp vs 180 whp

Your logic is depressing.

sshole 03-21-2014 02:45 PM

Such fanboyism. Much troll.

JS + BRZ 03-21-2014 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sshole (Post 1616244)
Such fanboyism. Much troll.

Such an idiot.

Haz no logic.

Superhatch 03-21-2014 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sshole (Post 1616244)
Such fanboyism. Much troll.

I think my response was tempered and understandable. I'm a fanboi now? :cry:

husker741 03-21-2014 03:03 PM

Has a stupid remark then tries to backpeddle and say it's trolling. Right.

JS + BRZ 03-21-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1616286)
Has a stupid remark then tries to backpeddle and say it's trolling. Right.

That's like the typical trollogic.

Diode Dynamics 03-21-2014 03:20 PM

Congrats on the numbers

How does it feel compared to stock behind the driver's seat? That's what I want to know

Nick C.

MoneyMikeF 03-21-2014 03:49 PM

You feel a bit more of a pull when launching. In third gear alone you can get over 100 mph

sshole 03-21-2014 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1616286)
Has a stupid remark then tries to backpeddle and say it's trolling. Right.

I'm not trying to back pedal, but whatever. People in real life don't understand my jokes, either.

Anybody who has seen these types of threads in the past will understand that getting anywhere close to 200 whp on pump gas is a huge achievement. So, congrats.

AVodka14 03-21-2014 04:22 PM

Not bad at all. Do more internal work and swap pulley system. And you are even better off. Nicely done! Bet is sounds good too :-)

Tainen 03-21-2014 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoneyMikeF (Post 1616407)
You feel a bit more of a pull when launching. In third gear alone you can get over 100 mph



Those mods don't change gearing.

FnFast 03-21-2014 05:48 PM

Civic owners been doing the same thing for the past 15 years. Our cars aren't made for the Drag Strip. It's to pick up chicks. Not fat chicks thought, they don't fit in our seats.

JS + BRZ 03-21-2014 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FnFast (Post 1616668)
Civic owners been doing the same thing for the past 15 years. Our cars aren't made for the Drag Strip. It's to pick up chicks. Not fat chicks thought, they don't fit in our seats.

So are you saying you have tried to fit in fat chicks before?

MAPerformance 03-21-2014 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tainen (Post 1616620)
Those mods don't change gearing.

Unless the rev limit was raised.

SirBrass 03-21-2014 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoneyMikeF (Post 1616212)
To the wheels the BRZ is at about 150 rwhp. The 200hp you are referring to is measured at the crank.

Also you can just judge a car on its horsepower alone. It's all about the horsepower to weight ratio.

Not to mention that this car is one for which the numbers simply lie. 200bhp/150whp is simply peak. Even stock, except for the torque dip, this car has a very nice power curve. Maybe nothing so brilliant as the K20, but still very good none-the-less.

@MoneyMikeF, indeed, wrt power, it is about power:weight. That, and weight balance. The very nice 53:47 weight balance and low weight (for a modern car) let the FA20 do more with what it has. That, and the steering, chassis, and suspension really help this platform perform so well with what we'd consider to be "so little."

dsgerbc 03-21-2014 07:28 PM

Parts&tune - $2776.50
Going kaboom, when the weather is different from the time it was tuned - priceless.

BlueDubbinTDI 03-21-2014 07:39 PM

And this is why I wont be going this route lol! That's halfway to a Innovate kit adding about a quarter of the power it would...

illest86 03-21-2014 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sshole (Post 1616135)
Buys 200hp car, spends $2800 to make it 180hp.

This platform is so depressing for making power.

Idiot buys FR-S (sshole). Doesn't understand fundamentals of cars. Joins forums and hundreds laugh. Aaaaaaaanyways.

Regarding the parts and the tune - I am STOKED on this. Naturally aspirated power. The tune clearly took the parts to the next level.

Bomb numbers.

ZionsWrath 03-21-2014 11:09 PM

Where the videos? Want to hear it!

Grymm86 03-22-2014 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoneyMikeF (Post 1616407)
You feel a bit more of a pull when launching. In third gear alone you can get over 100 mph


Anyone else set their rev limit at 9k?

Poodles 03-22-2014 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 1616910)
Parts&tune - $2776.50
Going kaboom, when the weather is different from the time it was tuned - priceless.



That's not how EFI works...


This isn't some old carbed vehicle you have to retune every time the seasons change...

dsgerbc 03-23-2014 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 1619126)
That's not how EFI works...


This isn't some old carbed vehicle you have to retune every time the seasons change...

Does not matter. Very few tuners bother adjusting weather compensation tables to your particular car, since that requires a lot more work. And whatever ends up in those tables is usually some 'ballpark' junk that _will_ knock under conditions where stock tune won't.

Poodles 03-23-2014 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 1619195)
Does not matter. Very few tuners bother adjusting weather compensation tables to your particular car, since that requires a lot more work. And whatever ends up in those tables is usually some 'ballpark' junk that _will_ knock under conditions where stock tune won't.



The difference between a good tuner and a crap tuner... Stock tune also caused DI injector seal failure.

dsgerbc 03-23-2014 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 1619451)
The difference between a good tuner and a crap tuner... Stock tune also caused DI injector seal failure.

Good tuners work for race teams/OEMs and are out of the price range for a typical consumer. The rest are amateurs that aren't worth the $$$ IMO.

My advice to anyone changing the tune - learn how to adjust your tune yourself, log like crazy, and examine your logs often. No tuner will do that for you.

ZeHeadBanger 03-23-2014 01:51 PM

Dumb question.

I really want to get an exhaust and a tune that would get the best out of the existing setup. Would either of these mods mean I would void my warranty? I'll be going catback, so I don't think that should be a problem. A tune would definitely void it, but what if I 'flash' the old tune back on the vehicle whenever I have to take it back to the dealer? Does it work that way?


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