Pulled over..
 

Hey, just got pulled over today and got 2 infractions from a douche-cop on a motorcycle. He says he's been eyeing my car, apparently it's loud and it doesn't help that my car is bright red..

So he wrote me a fix-it ticket for no front license plate (bone-head move on my part, been meaning to purchase a license plate relocater), but also got me for a modified exhaust 27151(a) cvc?!? 27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.

My exhaust is definitely below the legal limit (I think 94-95dB). Didn't want to argue about it, was already late to class so I have a "Notice to Appear" in Oakland to fix these infractions. I'm ordering the license plate relocater now but what do I do for the exhaust?? Do I have to put the stock exhaust back in, take it to oakland, then swap it again when they OK it?

Edit: Both infractions are NON-correctable violations

He also asked me to open my hood.. thank god most of it was stock-looking, I'm installing a Full Blown turbo kit in a month or two, can't imagine what he would have said if he saw a ginormous turbo and intercooler..

I've gotten a Fix-It ticket before... a few years back on my 05 Accord. If I remember correctly you should have three/four options when you receive a letter in the mail.

I can only recall three of them-

1. Fix everything, take it to a CHP/Police station so they can visually say you fixed it and pay a fee.
2. Pay a higher fee/fine and just admit you were wrong and not have to do anything else.
3. Fix everything, go to court to get the fee you have to pay lowered.

My ticket was for tint so all I did was pay the $100ish to admit I was at fault. Didn't have to do anything else.

Just an FYI...

Not sure if it helps, but maybe you can have your exhaust tested, if it's CARB legal, then you may stand a chance on that part. As for the plate, fix it and get it signed off at the station for certain!

CHP BULLETIN NO. 98-100

EXCESSIVE NOISE ENFORCEMENT
PASSENGER VEHICLES, LIGHT TRUCKS AND MOTORCYCLES


The California Highway Patrol (CHP), Commercial Vehicle Section (CVS), has received many inquiries about excessive noise emitted by passenger vehicles, light trucks and motorcycles. Enforcement personnel and the public have inquired regarding enforcement of the Vehicle Code (VC) sections pertaining to excessive noise emitted by these vehicles.

Excessive noise is primarily a nuisance issue rathers than a safety concern, and determination of excessive noise is subjective. For this reason, enforcement personnel are to exercise sound professional judgment in making a determination of violation. The following guidelines and attached question and answer sheet (Attachment A) provide guidance to enforcement personnel regarding appropriate enforcement procedures.

Enforcement Guidelines

The only drivers who should be cited are those whose vehicles:

1) are not equipped with a muffler;
2) clearly emit an offensive, harsh, excessive noise, or,
3) have a clearly defective exhaust system (holes, leaks, etc.).

Clearing Citations

When clearing excessive noise citations issued by the CHP or allied agencies, personnel are to consider exhaust systems in compliance if they incorporate a reasonably effective muffler, do not emit an offensive, harsh, excessive noise, and appear to be in good repair.


VC 27151 Modification of Exhaust Systems


27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.

(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.

Buy silencers for your exhaust if you don't want to remove it.

and What sdlynx said is correct. You may be legal (if it is 95 db and you are exactly 95/94 db), but its subjective. If the cop says its too loud then its too loud.

Good 'ole California..

Sorry to hear! I've been meaning to purchase a license plate relocator, looks like that's next on my list. May i ask what exhaust you have? good luck!

Seriously.. douche-motorcycle cop was so uptight, I'm usually kind to them, but this guy was a real a-hole. Barely knew how to even ride his bike, almost tipped it over when he stopped me.

Apparently the entire state of california are cracking down because of Fast-track and some fast-track stops only have front cameras so they're handing out tickets left and right. It's a Milltek non-resonated, not obnoxiously loud but definitely not stock-sounding.

When I lived in LA (25 years ago) the police would not even bother to pull you over for NO LICENSE PLATES AT ALL..... Now they want to bitch about a missing front plate???

Times have changed....

Dang, sorry to hear this. Guess I better put my plates on.

Last fix it ticket I got was from a CHP officer for front tints. I took them off, got it signed off by the local police department, and submitted the ticket + processing fee to get everything squared away.

Good luck with your situation. Should be good if you put your stock exhaust back and maybe get it signed off?

I'm thinking I might just take the exhaust to them the way it is, and see what they say. It still has a muffler and it's compliant with the sound dB limit, plus I think it'd be good information for the rest of the Norcal community if they're interested in modifying their exhaust.

First off- what exhaust do you have? Depending on manufacturer they could have a CARB legal sticker or EO number. Usually that will be enough to get out of 27151 but possibly not 27150. Since he made those non correctable you may be screwed regardless. Did you give the cop lip or something?

It's a Milltek and probably won't have a carb legal sticker as it's made in England. I don't get why he checked non-correctable, I did everything he said but he said he's seen me going fast in the past. He saw me a red light today and was behind me, didn't even see that I didn't have a front plate so I'm guessing I've been on his radar before and was waiting to get me good for anything he could.

Wow, I have the milltek exhaust (granted I have the resonated, but I don't think the unresonated is any louder) and it is not nearly as loud as all the other exhausts other people have. Not good since I was planning on doing over pipe and headers.

Based on what @sdlynx posted, I'd agree, just take it the way it is.

I guess this is the price we pay to live in this beautiful state.

But Bryan, remember how surprised I was to hear your resonated version? The unresonated, esp. with a front pipe is puhhhrettty loud. Haha!

California, land of the fruits-n-nuts.

YALL ARE FU&^ED!

Odd never knew there was such a thing as an CARB / EO requirement for exhaust / Muffler , unless it has a Catalytic converter attached to it.

It's called CA being broke as shit!!!

Yesh... Y'all have it rough in Cali. I would love to live there, but the cops seem to be a-holes.

To OP: I would just pay the bigger fine. Are you guys on a point system like Georgia?


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The meter maids are also cracking down on missing front plates.

But OP should definitely appear in court ready with supporting documents for the legal exhaust.

Any modifications to the exterior?

All I wanna know is why OP's sig says he's the youngest 86 owner. Are you 16?

:word:I once got a front plate ticket while my car was LEGALLY parked overnight. I guess it was the end of the month and they had to meet their quota.

No lol I'm 20, but I changed it just for you

Can't you just put the front plate on your windshield?

No. Law states the plate must be attached (fixated) to the front bumper.

Law states that it should be fixed and at a certain height

Edit: ooops, BPM beat me to it

Just another in the long list of reasons that California needs an earthquake to sink the entire state under the sea. Of course all the citizens should get to safety first while the politicians are left behind to rearrange the deck chairs on their modern day titanic.

Just give us a heads up so we can plan a drive out east before the state sinks :P

Damn, sorry to hear. I guess ive been pretty lucky since i havent been pulled over for mine.

maybe i missed it, but what city were you pulled over in?

I'm gonna say somewhere in East Bay. More towards Oakland :D

He practically reffed you for non correctable everything needs to go back to OEM. :( I got no luck with the boys either got my first ticket in my FRS second day of owning it going 3mph over the speed limit lol jealous bastards

I guess he's been eyeing you for a while and he's just hitting you with all this. When I go to bay area I always put back on my plate, they're a lot more strict there and meter maids will even hit you with the front plate ticket. I haven't had an issue except being pulled over once at 2 AM for no front plate, he just wanted a reason to pull me over and that was the reason. I had to take the sobriety test and he let me go without any fix it ticket or anything. Good thing.

Only in San Francisco do I see this, maybe LA also.

3 MPH over? Wow that's a little harsh.

What tint did you have btw? Where did you get pulled over at? Bay area? I always try to lookout for CHP and roll my windows down, police officers seem to not care about that.

After looking closer at some of the laws and reading the ticket over again, I cannot believe he gave me non-correctable for both infractions. It's basically a fix-it ticket with a fine attached. I'm in disbelief.

So the bastard Oakland PD has pulled me twice in the last week or so for no front plates!!! Oakland PD has better things to be doing...I mean seriously, Oakland PD picking on hardworking Asians!! I'm finally giving up and buying that grimmspeed thing, what a waste of 70 bucks :(

Damn dude I just dropped 150$ for the raceseng one. Does your tickets say Non-correctable or correctable??

Sorry to hear that. I just got my borla header in the mail too. Hopefully it doesnt get too loud with my trd catback and Vortech sc. :/

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Oh man, this is good to know. I was planning on taking off my front plates and installing an exhaust.

FYI. I found in the DMV website the regulation in relation to the plates https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc5201.htm:
Plus a bunch of other stuff you can see by following the link.

A lot of people still run without a front plate and upgraded exhaust. In the spotted thread OP was spotted by someone and he said their exhaust was LOUD so it must be pretty loud.