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drewbot 03-19-2014 11:22 AM

Helmets for AutoX/HDPE
 
Where are you guys buying your Snell helmets in the GTA area?

I'd really like an actual store to try it on since I have a large noggin....

@Stav

BryceRocket 03-19-2014 11:30 AM

JRP, or Royal Distributing are good options for M rated. If you are after an SA rated helmet you can also check out CSC Racing in Newmarket. I believe JRP carries SA rated helmets as well.

FLYFISHR 03-19-2014 01:06 PM

GP Bikes always has good prices that you can check online.

Stav 03-19-2014 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BryceRocket (Post 1610559)
JRP, or Royal Distributing are good options for M rated. If you are after an SA rated helmet you can also check out CSC Racing in Newmarket. I believe JRP carries SA rated helmets as well.

Yes we have our Motorsport open house April the 6th which will have specials as well as we never open on Sundays.

We have the HJC helmets in stock in the SA2010 rating and Sparco as well.

Thank you

f0rge 03-25-2014 01:46 PM

An M2010 motorcycle helmet would also work, those are a lot easier to find.

ToyoburuBRZ 03-25-2014 01:59 PM

I just picked up an M2010 helmet this past weekend. It's and HJC FG-17. Great helmet if you aren't looking to spend a ton of money. Only $250 with tax

ToyoburuBRZ 03-25-2014 02:05 PM

Yes M2010 is a snell rating.


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that_guy 03-25-2014 02:39 PM

You can buy mine...lol. There are lots of companies that have helmets. If your just getting started, a simple M class helmet will suffice. They can be had for about $100+.

wparsons 03-25-2014 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ToyoburuBRZ (Post 1624889)
Yes M2010 is a snell rating.


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Anything that says Snell rated typically means SA ratings, which are approved for multiple impacts (against a rollbar, etc). Any M rated helmets I've seen are only good for a single hit.

ToyoburuBRZ 03-25-2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 1625302)
Anything that says Snell rated typically means SA ratings, which are approved for multiple impacts (against a rollbar, etc). Any M rated helmets I've seen are only good for a single hit.

M is still a snell rating and it is accepted by all racing organizations that most of us would race in.

This is a great website to figure out what is snell approved: http://www.smf.org/cert

wparsons 03-25-2014 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ToyoburuBRZ (Post 1625320)
M is still a snell rating and it is accepted by all racing organizations that most of us would race in.

This is a great website to figure out what is snell approved: http://www.smf.org/cert

Just because it's a snell rating doesn't mean it's accepted. I know of a couple local organizations that require SA rated helmets, not just any snell rating.

Some of the key differences are here, but the most important is the multi impact rating that comes with an SA rated helmet. If you hit the roof, pillar or roll bar once with an M rated helmet it's no good. An SA rated helmet will take multiple hits without issue.

http://www.racinghelmetguide.com/aut...t-ratings.html

amram 03-26-2014 07:30 AM

Both are "snell" rated. But SA is for Competitive Automotive Sports

SA2010 - "The capacity for impact protection is determined by direct measurement of the shock delivered through the helmet to a head form when the helmeted head form is dropped in a specified manner onto any of three unyielding anvils. A fourth anvil is used to test impact protection for repeated strikes against a roll cage assembly."

This is what wparsons is saying.

Edit - M does not seem to have repeated strikes test.

M2010 - "The helmet must also resist penetration by sharp edged and pointed projections and projectiles. This capacity is tested by placing the helmet on a head form and dropping a metal cone of specified mass and geometry onto the shell. The tip of this cone must not penetrate to the head form."

http://www.smf.org/standards/sa/SA2010/sak2010_final
http://www.smf.org/standards/m/2010/m2010_final

f0rge 03-26-2014 01:09 PM

So SA protects you from roll bars and M protects you from jousting?

wparsons 03-26-2014 03:06 PM

M ratings are meant for motorcycles, and are a single use (impact) helmet. If you hit it against something, it's garbage. They also have to have wider sight angles than an SA helmet needs.

For HDPE and autox, it probably won't matter (I've heard some autox organizations joke that anything better than a hockey helmet is fine :D), but for time attack or any car with a roll cage I would bet that they would mandate SA helmets.

Even some lapping organizers want SA rated... PCA (Porsche club of America) mandates SA rated for lapping days, but the UCR allows SA or M.

drewbot 03-26-2014 03:11 PM

All this discussion is good. Now I just need to read the labels when I'm at the JRP open house

engsr 03-26-2014 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 1627615)
If you hit it against something, it's garbage.

Although I know what you're trying to say here (in regards to SA helmets), ANY impact renders a helmet garbage. The multiple impacts is for a rollover or any spectacular crash you get in to. Please don't think that if you drop/impact an SA helmet only once that it's still good to use.

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 1627615)
For HDPE and autox, it probably won't matter (I've heard some autox organizations joke that anything better than a hockey helmet is fine :D), but for time attack or any car with a roll cage I would bet that they would mandate SA helmets.

If you're familiar with the ASN Canada FIA regulations, which govern all motorsports in the country, SA is not mandatory UNLESS your car has a roll cage, be it autoslalom, time attack, lapping, or what-have-you (obviously, if you're road/door-to-door racing you car will be caged, so SA required). However, organizations are free to impose any kind of mandate on helmets for their events.

that_guy 03-26-2014 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by engsr (Post 1627800)
Although I know what you're trying to say here (in regards to SA helmets), ANY impact renders a helmet garbage. The multiple impacts is for a rollover or any spectacular crash you get in to. Please don't think that if you drop/impact an SA helmet only once that it's still good to use.

If you're familiar with the ASN Canada FIA regulations, which govern all motorsports in the country, SA is not mandatory UNLESS your car has a roll cage, be it autoslalom, time attack, lapping, or what-have-you (obviously, if you're road/door-to-door racing you car will be caged, so SA required). However, organizations are free to impose any kind of mandate on helmets for their events.

All of this is true. SA is also generally lined with nomex and can be lighter than M class helmets due to materials and construction.

For anyone operating a car on a full track, I'd consider a neck brace at very minimum as the added weight can be a strain on your neck in the event in a collision.


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