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botbs 03-09-2014 02:39 PM

2015 86/BRZ vs 2015 Eclipse
 
Anyone post this before ?

Eclipse from 2000 - 2014 looks so ugly to me. This concept looks way better and does look like the ones in the late 90's.

However, I still prefer a 86/BRZ more. What do you guys think?

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/12/201...oncept-is.html

http://newcar82.blogspot.ca/2013/12/...ipse-2015.html

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-fgMBmd4tDsk/Uq...5B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-5hjkSM_i3Ms/Uq...5B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-T3d-4xfTzZg/Uq...5B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-EJ45gRMO6yA/Uq...5B2%25255D.jpg

raven1231 03-09-2014 02:44 PM

Thanks for that sir! I for one wish Mitsubishi would return to building performance cars.... The 3000gt was my favorite car and the EVO and eclipse gsx were amazing as well... This concept looks unique and aggressive so do the RA...to bad the cancelled that as well :(

raven1231 03-09-2014 02:55 PM

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anybody else wish this would have made it to production :

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MTCRX 03-09-2014 03:00 PM

Mitsubishi has certainly made huge leaps in improving the looks of the Eclipse. So ugly the past few years. I still like the FRS/BRZ. Worth looking at the specs and price though

ericmpena 03-09-2014 03:30 PM

I drove a 2003 Eclipse GTS. Wasn't as nice as the older Eclipse's, but it definitely wasn't as ugly at the previous body style! The 2015 Eclipse looks decent, but it doesn't grab my attention like a BRZ/FR-S.

Whitigir 03-09-2014 03:30 PM

Eclipse is Dead

3000 GT is Dead

Evolution is Dying

Mitsubishi is Dying

Ends of thread.

sdemo 03-09-2014 03:49 PM

The car is a rendering and a design study. This is not a real car, nor does the existence of this rendering "prove" that Mitsubishi readying a FRS / BRZ fighter. In fact, your second link removed all watermarks from the original designer and shamelessly posted these pictures to their site in an attempt to increase page views.

raven1231 03-09-2014 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdemo (Post 1585752)
The car is a rendering and a design study. This is not a real car, nor does the existence of this rendering "prove" that Mitsubishi readying a FRS / BRZ fighter. In fact, your second link removed all watermarks from the original designer and shamelessly posted these pictures to their site in an attempt to increase page views.

I noticed that as well...made it seem like it was from Mitsubishi

Mikem53 03-09-2014 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitigir (Post 1585726)
Eclipse is Dead

3000 GT is Dead

Evolution is Dying

Mitsubishi is Dying

Ends of thread.

True... No great loss.. They're dying for a reason... Glad to see them go..Mitsu sucks..

raven1231 03-09-2014 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikem53 (Post 1585951)
True... No great loss.. They're dying for a reason... Glad to see them go..Mitsu sucks..

Really ? EVOs suck ? Hmmm...not sure the facts support your statement...

woode 03-09-2014 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitigir (Post 1585726)
Eclipse is Dead

3000 GT is Dead

Evolution is Dying

Mitsubishi is Dying

Ends of thread.

My feelings exactly.

Mikem53 03-09-2014 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 1585966)
Really ? EVOs suck ? Hmmm...not sure the facts support your statement...

I owned 2 mitsu cars. One was an AWD turbo eclipse that had more problems than any other car I've owned.. Then their was dealing with them for warranty issues.. Was a nightmare..

Xinshadow 03-09-2014 07:56 PM

I can concur with the "Evo sucks" Argument, at least some of them. Had a GS-T Spyder. Sold it when it developed crank walk (because of course it did, because Mitsu has the quality control of a soviet tank factory). Any 4G63 owner will understand.

Or to put it another way: You know what the quicker track-day car will be?


The one that starts!

hanabie 03-10-2014 01:50 AM

good luck waiting

forzajuve 03-10-2014 03:24 AM

I would like it a lot if it didn't look like that.

It is about to transform...too much going on.

Turbowned 03-10-2014 09:26 AM

This is a troll post, right? No one is honestly considering a Mitsubishi Eclipse over any other car, are they? ARE THEY? TELL ME THIS IS A TROLL POST!

Kelbyat07 03-10-2014 01:04 PM

The only car I would buy from the company is an EVO but other than that I agree with most people that it is a dying brand. No eclipse..

tobin 03-10-2014 01:12 PM

Still a chick car

Purdue FR-S 03-10-2014 01:15 PM

I kinda wanna pick up a 2014 Evo just b/c it stands to be the last :P

n2oinferno 03-10-2014 02:16 PM

lol, only on the internet would "I owned a DSM from 20 years ago and it sucked, so the new EVO must suck" be stated as a valid claim.

It'll be interesting to see how long Mitsubishi can stay put in the market here. Lots of people claim they're dead or dying, but I'll keep quiet until the last dealership closes down.

InvalidJohnny5 03-10-2014 03:13 PM

Mitsu will kick the can like Pontiac.

stonewhite05 03-10-2014 03:14 PM

I do like that rendering but i don't know if i would call it a contender for the brz/frs due to it being fwd.. That is like comparing the gti to a 370z. Their pricing is ridiculous on the evo 42k!!!!! As much as I love evos I can't justify spending that on one I would much rather have a 335xi than an evo.

Jason@DSG 03-10-2014 03:19 PM

I've owned 2 Mitsu's. My current is extremely fast and fun (heavily modified obviously) but pretty much the best AWD system I've driven, especially in the snow here (and we get a lot).

Their biggest issue is simply having left the performance game. Even the EvoX and Ralliart require quite a bit of mods and tuning to get them to the spirit of the Evo9 and predecessors. With cars like the iMiev and new Mirage, it's a disgusting brand. There's no reason to make eco-friendly or "sport" cars aesthetically brutal like they do. It's pretty sad, but unless they revamp and bring back a true sports car lineup (AWD Eclipse turbo, New Evo, 3000GT supercar type V6TT AWD), they're toast.

raven1231 03-10-2014 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonewhite05 (Post 1587991)
I do like that rendering but i don't know if i would call it a contender for the brz/frs due to it being fwd.. That is like comparing the gti to a 370z. Their pricing is ridiculous on the evo 42k!!!!! As much as I love evos I can't justify spending that on one I would much rather have a 335xi than an evo.

Who said it's FWD? IT's not even real lol and there were AWD eclipses

raven1231 03-10-2014 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG (Post 1588008)
I've owned 2 Mitsu's. My current is extremely fast and fun (heavily modified obviously) but pretty much the best AWD system I've driven, especially in the snow here (and we get a lot).

Their biggest issue is simply having left the performance game. Even and EvoX and Ralliart require quite a bit of mods and tuning to get them to the spirit of the Evo9 and predecessors. With cars like the iMiev and new Mirage, it's a disgusting brand. There's no reason to make eco-friendly or "sport" cars brutal aesthetically like they do. It's pretty sad, but unless they revamp and bring back a true sports car lineup (AWD Eclipse turbo, New Evo, 3000GT supercar type V6TT AWD), they're toast.

AGREE!

n2oinferno 03-10-2014 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG (Post 1588008)
With cars like the iMiev and new Mirage, it's a disgusting brand. There's no reason to make eco-friendly or "sport" cars brutal aesthetically like they do. It's pretty sad, but unless they revamp and bring back a true sports car lineup (AWD Eclipse turbo, New Evo, 3000GT supercar type V6TT AWD), they're toast.

But without these kinds of cars they can't offset CAFE ratings to build such sports cars. And I don't think they need to have an entire lineup of sports cars to keep the brand afloat. The opposite, actually, since sports cars are a small niche. They need a new, GOOD midsize and compact that can compete with the Camry and Accord, and Corolla and Civic respectively. Get that bread and butter established and then get your new sports car up on the side. With exception of the Evo, the rest of their vehicles are simply forgettable.

Jason@DSG 03-10-2014 03:45 PM

They just need to make eco sports cars. The next Evo was supposed to be a diesel hybrid which would be just fine as long as it made 300whp/300wtq. The torque curve on a diesel would be excellent and very low down, they just are getting terrible designers and not thinking outside the box.

I wish the sub-brand Ralliart would fully reopen and make their own cars like SRT does with Dodge now.

stonewhite05 03-10-2014 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 1588015)
Who said it's FWD? IT's not even real lol and there were AWD eclipses

Raven1231
It is obvious the car isn't real and regardless AWD or FWD it is still apples to oranges. You are talking about AWD Eclipses well that came from the DSM era and as much as I hate to say it the DSM is done. Dodge and Mitsu still team up they did with making little bits and pieces for my car SRT4 they also did it with the evo x by putting the 4b11s higher displacement 4b12 in the SRT4 caliber.

I made the assumption based on the fact that DSM is done and the fact that if there is a next gen eclipse they simply can't afford to risk making an AWD eclipse and have it fail.

Like mentioned before Mitsubishi is having a rough time right now and I can't tell you the last time someone traded in a new Mitsu or even seen one on the road other than a lancer I have seen more ralliarts and evo xs around me than base lancers and that right there should tell you something.

Mitsu simply can't afford to risk creating a car like the BRZ or FRS why because they don't have the revenue that Toyota/Scion or Subaru has.

thill 03-10-2014 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitigir (Post 1585726)
Eclipse is Dead

3000 GT is Dead

Evolution is Dying

Mitsubishi is Dying

Ends of thread.

This. Mitsubishi is focusing on SUV's right now. I don't see the platform lasting in it's current state for another 12-24 months.

n2oinferno 03-10-2014 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonewhite05 (Post 1588204)
Like mentioned before Mitsubishi is having a rough time right now and I can't tell you the last time someone traded in a new Mitsu or even seen one on the road other than a lancer I have seen more ralliarts and evo xs around me than base lancers and that right there should tell you something.

I've actually seen a handful of Mirages running around. So there must be people buying them. I see Outlanders and Outlander Sports every once in a while as well.

suaveflooder 03-10-2014 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdue FR-S (Post 1587605)
I kinda wanna pick up a 2014 Evo just b/c it stands to be the last :P

I'm kind of in the same boat…….

FT-86- 03-10-2014 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botbs (Post 1585612)
Anyone post this before ?

Eclipse from 2000 - 2014 looks so ugly to me. This concept looks way better and does look like the ones in the late 90's.

However, I still prefer a 86/BRZ more. What do you guys think?

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/12/201...oncept-is.html

http://newcar82.blogspot.ca/2013/12/...ipse-2015.html

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-fgMBmd4tDsk/Uq...5B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-5hjkSM_i3Ms/Uq...5B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-T3d-4xfTzZg/Uq...5B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-EJ45gRMO6yA/Uq...5B2%25255D.jpg

RWD over FWD anytime!

fatoni 03-10-2014 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT-86- (Post 1588757)
RWD> FWD anytime!

thats silly

FT-86- 03-10-2014 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 1588763)
thats silly

Is just my opinion. jeez

fatoni 03-10-2014 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT-86- (Post 1588776)
Is just my opinion. jeez

haha i get that. opinons cant have absolutes like that though so its a bit confusing.

thill 03-11-2014 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT-86- (Post 1588757)
RWD over FWD anytime!

Living in Minnesota and experiencing this horrible winter I have to say I agree with you. The WRX is my first AWD sportscar and as a daily driver I don't see myself going back to FWD or RWD anytime soon as a daily driver. As a weekend fun car I can see myself owning a fun RWD car though.

OrangeJuleas 03-11-2014 01:05 PM

So, according to Mitsubishi's US site, here is their current lineup:

Lancer - Starts at $17,195
Lancer Sportback - Starts at $18,595
Lancer Evolution - Starts at $34,995 (this is the GSR/5spd manual, the MR starts at $38,195)
Mirage - Starts at $12,995 (almost $16,000 with the 1.2L engine with CVT)
Outlander Sport
Outlander

i-MiEV (coming Spring 2014) - At a starting price of $15,495 it's not bad for people looking for a cheap full-electric vehicle

Well-equipper the Evo. X is $43K before taxes and fees.

No wonder it's dying out.

Pegasus 03-11-2014 06:40 PM

I think Mitsubishi is a little too busy trying to exist than put any attention to a low volume sporty car. So even if it did exist, it wouldn't have nearly the amount of chassis modifications, purpose built parts and R&D that the 86 platform was made with. It's only selling points would probably end up being looks and price. But I would not bet on Mitsubishi being that adventurous with design either.

rice_classic 03-11-2014 09:17 PM

How did we make it to the bottom of page 2 and nobody posted this?! :)


http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ecrankwalk.jpg

rice_classic 03-11-2014 09:19 PM

Also.. I don't like the Dodge Dart rear end:

http://www.scoopcar.com/images/dodge...Rear-Angle.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-NRVHKNkx7lg/Uq...5B2%25255D.jpg


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