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Visxco 03-03-2014 04:38 PM

Apple iOS Carplay!!!
 
https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/

soooooo joooocy. I can't wait for these to start coming out!

https://www.apple.com/v/ios/carplay/.../dashboard.png

was385 03-03-2014 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Visxco (Post 1571646)
https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/

soooooo joooocy. I can't wait for these to start coming out!

https://www.apple.com/v/ios/carplay/.../dashboard.png

Looks cool and this sort of idea is definitely the future. There's just no reason to have these standalone head units when everyone's phone is more than capable of running the operating system and allowing for seamless integration with all of your settings, contacts, music, etc.

Rayme 03-03-2014 04:55 PM

I completely fail to see how this is much better than the actual car solutions, and a tactile volume button? Nevaaaaaa!!! Actually every tactile solution in car sucks, real buttons are where it's at if you want to talk about "keeping your focus on driving".

userjack6880 03-03-2014 05:00 PM

There's a reason why I don't have much of a push right now to upgrade my head unit from the stock base '13 FR-S head unit. It's got all the buttons I would want and need. I can do whatever I need to do without looking at it.

Granted, an upgraded head unit is on my list. But even with a screen, it has physical buttons for the most used functions. Muy importante.

was385 03-03-2014 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayme (Post 1571701)
I completely fail to see how this is much better than the actual car solutions, and a tactile volume button? Nevaaaaaa!!! Actually every tactile solution in car sucks, real buttons are where it's at if you want to talk about "keeping your focus on driving".

I have very little doubt that Apple can do this better than most of the garbage head units that come in cars right now (including the BRZ head unit). The lack of actual buttons is annoying. Out of all the native in-car units I've used, I think Lexus is one of the few I would be totally happy with.

Prog 03-03-2014 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by was385 (Post 1571714)
I have very little doubt that Apple can do this better than most of the garbage head units that come in cars right now (including the BRZ head unit). The lack of actual buttons is annoying. Out of all the native in-car units I've used, I think Lexus is one of the few I would be totally happy with.

Apple won't make the head units though. It's just going to use the car display to stream the interface from the phone, similar to how AirPlay or ChromeCast works, except you'll be able to interact with the display. So if your car's head unit has knobs, CarPlay will have knobs. Although I guess Apple could set standard, like "compatible head units must have at least one physical knob/button," but keep in mind how much Apple hates physical buttons before you get too excited about that.

was385 03-03-2014 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Prog (Post 1571745)
Apple won't make the head units though. It's just going to use the car display to stream the interface from the phone, similar to how AirPlay or ChromeCast works, except you'll be able to interact with the display. So if your car's head unit has knobs, CarPlay will have knobs. Although I guess Apple could set standard, like "compatible head units must have at least one physical knob/button," but keep in mind how much Apple hates physical buttons before you get too excited about that.

Yeah I understand how it works, which leads to my point. I'm sure that using iOS as your "headunit" will be much better than the stuff that's out there now. Using the BRZ unit for anything more complicated than changing radio stations is like pulling teeth. And for a car like the BRZ, there would be no physical buttons, which I dislike, but it's still a better option than what's in there now. And I'd guess they'll have a decent amount of design input, though like you, I doubt that leads to physical buttons. But I don't think they'll be content to have this product on some garbage display.

continuecrushing 03-04-2014 12:32 AM

Nice, now I won't have to retrofit an ipad in the dash

DriftHappens 03-04-2014 12:39 AM

I wonder how long before they try to sue pioneer for making touchscreen headunits.

ericmpena 03-04-2014 02:31 AM

Seems like a great idea. Too bad I'm probably going to switch to the New HTC One...

Liselotte 03-04-2014 11:31 AM

I wouldn't trust Apple's Maps lol

SirBrass 03-04-2014 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prog (Post 1571745)
Apple won't make the head units though. It's just going to use the car display to stream the interface from the phone, similar to how AirPlay or ChromeCast works, except you'll be able to interact with the display. So if your car's head unit has knobs, CarPlay will have knobs. Although I guess Apple could set standard, like "compatible head units must have at least one physical knob/button," but keep in mind how much Apple hates physical buttons before you get too excited about that.

Yup. It's basically going to be mirrorlink for iOS, and I bet will even use mirrorlink protocols adapted for iOS as well.

That means it's going to be slow as hell, too. It'll not be a big headache to connect, but if it's going to work like I think it will, with a simple usb-to-lightning connector, then it's going to be mirrorlink-like.

It'll work in basic form, and give you basic, apple-approved app use. You won't get to choose what apps to run. Apple will TELL you what apps you CAN run, if any.

You're better off getting one of the new Pioneer NEX units.

ir1064 03-04-2014 12:07 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/04/a...i-ff-hands-on/

SirBrass 03-04-2014 12:44 PM

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Apple has also implemented safety features to ensure services do not draw your attention away from the road and push forward its "hands-free" theme. For example, when we sent or received a message from a contact, Siri would only read the message back to us and we never once got the chance to see its contents.
I think this is a terrible idea. These synthesized voices simply do NOT do human speech well enough to properly read to you a text message. Normal human grammatical errors or laziness in texting in particular leads to computerized confusion, often leading to the driver saying "Wth? I didn't understand a single word!"

This happened to me in my brz once. And when I called up the text on my phone after I'd pulled over, I looked at the text and it wasn't even lazily typed. The voice synth was simply just that bad at pronouncing it, despite the voice being about as nice as Siri's.

Yeah, no thanks. I'd have been less distracted if the text had popped up prominently onto the headunit screen AS text. It'd have taken less time for me to read it at a glance than I spent trying to decipher the garble that text-2-speech on the HU had made of it.

Also notice that neither Toyota, Subaru, OR Toyota subsidiaries Scion or Lexus are mentioned as being platforms for Apple's Carplay. Apple isn't selling this to automobile owners, but to automobile manufacturers as OEM or OEM option equipment, and it looks like our vehicle's parents are excluded from the list at least for now.

Does look like I was wrong about slowness of response, if Apple is using the airplay protocol as the basis for the carplay interaction. Airplay actually is fairly responsive, unlike mirrorlink.

Quentin 03-06-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SirBrass (Post 1573466)
I think this is a terrible idea. These synthesized voices simply do NOT do human speech well enough to properly read to you a text message. Normal human grammatical errors or laziness in texting in particular leads to computerized confusion, often leading to the driver saying "Wth? I didn't understand a single word!"

This happened to me in my brz once. And when I called up the text on my phone after I'd pulled over, I looked at the text and it wasn't even lazily typed. The voice synth was simply just that bad at pronouncing it, despite the voice being about as nice as Siri's.

Yeah, no thanks. I'd have been less distracted if the text had popped up prominently onto the headunit screen AS text. It'd have taken less time for me to read it at a glance than I spent trying to decipher the garble that text-2-speech on the HU had made of it.

Also notice that neither Toyota, Subaru, OR Toyota subsidiaries Scion or Lexus are mentioned as being platforms for Apple's Carplay. Apple isn't selling this to automobile owners, but to automobile manufacturers as OEM or OEM option equipment, and it looks like our vehicle's parents are excluded from the list at least for now.

Does look like I was wrong about slowness of response, if Apple is using the airplay protocol as the basis for the carplay interaction. Airplay actually is fairly responsive, unlike mirrorlink.

Toyota is listed as a future platform, though. The Siri Eyes Free already shows up in Lexus models. It is safe to say that this will end up in Toyotas soon. I don't know about Subaru and Scion, though.

Not really related to the twins, but a fair number of us have other Toyotas in the household. Toyota just rolled out their latest and greatest head units in the fall of '13. With IOS in the Car a known prior to that, hopefully, there was some planning with the current head units and not just whatever will replace the current head units. I'd love there to be an update that basically works along side my Entune in our '14 Rav4 to allow CarPlay. The functionality of the unit in our Rav isn't bad (it will use voice commands to enter navigation, search POIs, play songs, etc), but some of the maps are already out of date, I'm sure POIs are way out of date, and it just doesn't look as nice as the carplay screens. It isn't quite as user friendly as it could be.

djdnz 03-06-2014 12:14 PM

CarPlay runs on QNX, which is owned by BlackBerry - the more you know :)

campy 03-06-2014 12:28 PM

Apple sells a car headunit with a cd drive, but they don't have cd drives in their laptops anymore? What is this

I really don't want to give up my simple base-model head unit, but I would really like a Google Maps built in nav.

fatherfork 03-06-2014 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by campy (Post 1578829)
Apple sells a car headunit with a cd drive, but they don't have cd drives in their laptops anymore? What is this...

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...w9lwx2hjpg.jpg

Quentin 03-06-2014 02:59 PM

Sounds like this will be backwards compatible to some older vehicles. Mercedes specifically mentioned it.

SirBrass 03-06-2014 10:18 PM

You're still going to get better functionality from iOS and Android phones through a new NEX unit from Pioneer than from this.

AND, they're not selling to you. They're selling vehicle-specific OEM option HU's. Good luck getting one if your model isn't on the supported list.

soundman98 03-06-2014 11:19 PM

in theory, getting one wouldn't be a problem it'd be the exorbitant price of an oem unit, and then just figuring out the connections..

olkoski 03-06-2014 11:45 PM

Seems like a good idea. A better idea than Ford dropping Windows and moving to Blackberry. Simplicity is key, most Apple IOS is, I'm on board

Quentin 03-07-2014 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirBrass (Post 1580476)
You're still going to get better functionality from iOS and Android phones through a new NEX unit from Pioneer than from this.

AND, they're not selling to you. They're selling vehicle-specific OEM option HU's. Good luck getting one if your model isn't on the supported list.


I know that they are not selling head units...

I wasn't really talking about the FR-S... just car play in general. I don't even have an FR-S yet, but my Rav4 has the just released Toyota units, so if car play were to roll out on Toyotas later this year, I'd be very happy have an update on my Rav to allow me to use car play. With the way Scion does their head units, we really don't know if/when it will be available on the twins.

ericmpena 03-17-2014 01:43 AM

Looks like there's an iPhone update tonight. Read the details and it says that it includes CarPlay.
EDIT: Nvm. Looks like 7.1 was available a while back. Guess I'm the last person on Earth to update their phone.

snapplepat 03-17-2014 03:10 AM

As far as stock systems go, Audi by far has the best MMI set ups I have ever used. I'm an Audi tech m just finished training on the new MMI. it will have 4g LTE hotspot, Google earth nav, 64gb ssd hard drive and a wheel to navigate with on the center console with the top of it doubling as a gesture pad to write out numbers or letters for addresses or phone numbers.
I'd be interested to see what sort of outputs and expandability an apple headunit would have though.

joshmdy 04-15-2014 09:27 PM

Here is the most recent update regarding CarPlay. It looks like certain Pioneer systems will be able to run it after a firmware upgrade simply by plugging your iPhone into the head unit. Here is an article on Gizmodo that goes into a little bit more detail:

Gizmodo Article
Official Pioneer Info

userjack6880 04-16-2014 12:17 AM

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/13/...rplay-console/

Looks like Alpine is wanting to do this. Clarion is considering it too.

Alabang BRZ 07-05-2014 09:25 AM

Anyone using the Alpine or Pioneer Carplay?

kmbkk 07-06-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabang BRZ (Post 1830632)
Anyone using the Alpine or Pioneer Carplay?

+1, I'm interested as well.


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