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Rabble 03-02-2014 02:11 AM

Do you top off?
 
I had a thought (just the one) about the percentage of people who top off their gas tank vs those who do not. My parents always top off but I always refuse.

So here's a poll to settle my curiosity.

FYI: if you don't know what topping off is; it's when you're filling your car with gas and the pump automatically shuts off with a full tank but you squeeze the nozzle again to get that extra bit of gas in your car.

hmong337 03-02-2014 02:19 AM

Depends on the gas. If it's 94, top off! If I gotta get 91 in a pinch, I'll just get enough to get me to where I need to go and to a gas station with 94.

boredom.is.me 03-02-2014 02:23 AM

Usually, unless I am going to a drivers event (autoX or back road cruise with friends).

EDIT:
I didn't realize what the real meaning of "topping off" was. I NEVER top off.

Kelbyat07 03-02-2014 02:33 AM

Only when gas is really cheap or I have a lot of money hehe

wheelhaus 03-02-2014 02:41 AM

I get OCD about it and need to top off to hit the nearest $.50 mark.

tommy 03-02-2014 02:47 AM

I've always assumed doing so could force fuel into the evap vent tube which is somewhere near the top of the tank. I can't imagine that would be good for the shut valve or the canister.

sprintertrueno86 03-02-2014 02:48 AM

Full service stations sometimes top off.

Self serve, I never top off but I always shake the gas nozzle furiously to get that last drip of gas in to my tank. :bellyroll:

DaJo 03-02-2014 03:01 AM

I am guilty of doing it sometimes... Bad for the charcoal canister though.

boredom.is.me 03-02-2014 03:14 AM

Wait, I thought you meant top off as in a full tank of gas. Are you referring to squeezing in more gas even after the nozzle stops?

humfrz 03-02-2014 03:21 AM

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Nope, no top off, even out here .....;)


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Drebin252 03-02-2014 03:42 AM

Is there a benefit to squeezing more in after it automatically stops? I always thought it was full when it auto turns off, and putting more in would be bad... :/

Fish 03-02-2014 03:47 AM

There's a chance you may put fuel into the charcoal canister among other things in the EVAP system when you do this. I've seen it a couple times. That's typically why they advise against doing it. When you fill up, vapor forms in the tank. That extra space you're filling with fluid is also there to give the the fuel vapors space to expand.

I know some people will still say they do this all the time with no problems. However this is how I've been trained from the manufacturers I've worked for in the past so I'm simply just passing on the information.

mitosis 03-02-2014 03:50 AM

Never EVER. Some stupid Oregonian gas station attendant broke the float or sensor in the tank on my Fit from topping off. Now the needle reads way off and the car is puffing on fumes by the time it reads 1/4 tank and it dies completely shortly there after.

I know that it was caused by topping off because the needle was always very accurate until the first time my tank got topped off by this lady. It was on that very tank that I experienced running the car dry for the first time, looked down at my gas gauge in confusion as I was stalled out on the side of the road and it was reading barely a needle's width under the 1/4 mark.

I ALWAYS (like clockwork) stop at the click for the sake of consistent MPG calculations so I had never topped the car off before, and it was my first time going to Oregon so I didn't know that all the gas station attendants like to top off the tank in order to make easy change by going to the next whole dollar amount. What is with that? Apparently the moment I cross the border I'm an infant who is incapable of pumping his own gas? :mad0260:

I have since figured out that I need to tell the attendant "fill it only to the click, don't top it off" every time I get gas in Oregon, but ugh... talk about a rude welcome to your state. "Oh hi, welcome to Oregon. Here let me break your gas tank for you!" Definitely gave me a bad first impression of the state. :brokenheart:

humfrz 03-02-2014 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mitosis (Post 1568464)
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I have since figured out that I need to tell the attendant "fill it only to the click, don't top it off" every time I get gas in Oregon, but ugh... talk about a rude welcome to your state. "Oh hi, welcome to Oregon. Here let me break your gas tank for you!" Definitely gave me a bad first impression of the state. :brokenheart:

Now THAT is a wise move .... :clap:



humfrz

OICU812 03-02-2014 04:07 AM

Strange weird pointless thread really...just sayin..

N1rve 03-02-2014 04:11 AM

Never.

I stop it at the first click.

Here's something from the EPA Site.

Quote:

In areas of ozone nonattainment, gas station pumps are equipped with vapor recovery systems that feed back gas vapors into their tanks to prevent vapors from escaping into the air and contributing to air pollution. Any additional gas you try to pump into your tank may be drawn into the vapor line and fed back into the station’s storage tanks.
http://www.epa.gov/donttopoff/

So save yourself some money.

michaelosx 03-02-2014 05:49 AM

I just fill up the tank. I thought this poll was trying to see if people save weight by keeping less fuel in the tank, thus improving mileage/performance.

SuperDave 03-02-2014 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mitosis (Post 1568464)
Never EVER. Some stupid Oregonian gas station attendant broke the float or sensor in the tank on my Fit from topping off. Now the needle reads way off and the car is puffing on fumes by the time it reads 1/4 tank and it dies completely shortly there after.

I know that it was caused by topping off because the needle was always very accurate until the first time my tank got topped off by this lady. It was on that very tank that I experienced running the car dry for the first time, looked down at my gas gauge in confusion as I was stalled out on the side of the road and it was reading barely a needle's width under the 1/4 mark.

I ALWAYS (like clockwork) stop at the click for the sake of consistent MPG calculations so I had never topped the car off before, and it was my first time going to Oregon so I didn't know that all the gas station attendants like to top off the tank in order to make easy change by going to the next whole dollar amount. What is with that? Apparently the moment I cross the border I'm an infant who is incapable of pumping his own gas? :mad0260:

I have since figured out that I need to tell the attendant "fill it only to the click, don't top it off" every time I get gas in Oregon, but ugh... talk about a rude welcome to your state. "Oh hi, welcome to Oregon. Here let me break your gas tank for you!" Definitely gave me a bad first impression of the state. :brokenheart:

yo, fuck oregon gas station attendants!

racecat 03-02-2014 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OICU812 (Post 1568480)
Strange weird pointless thread really...just sayin..

Actually, looks like it's not so pointless. Seems like there's some good information being given here.

I didn't know the details on why it was a bad idea, but I've never done it anyway. I'm satisfied with the click.

Carlitoz3 03-02-2014 08:49 AM

I guess since we are on the subject: Credit Card or Cash??

I usually pay cash so I won't go over board.

Vincenttam 03-02-2014 09:04 AM

Would you force your child to finish their food when they're already full?? My auto professor always told us it was a terrible idea to top off. The site of it is unappealing to me as well =/

CruiseZen 03-02-2014 09:07 AM

I don't top off the tank in my cars but often do in my 4 Runner. For some reason the 4 Runner will cause the pump to turn off well short of a full tank. (About 3/4 of a gallon short) I've got 171,000 miles on the 4 Runner and have never had any problems with topping the tank off.

Also another thing to consider, especially in hot weather, is thermal expansion of the gas in your tank. Underground in the storage tank, the temperature of the gas is likely near 52 degrees. Once it is in your tank it will warm up to air temperature and gasoline will expand as it warms. This shouldn't be a problem if you continue to drive your car for awhile after your fill up. However, if you fill up and top off right before parking the car it could cause some of the problems others on this thread have talked about.

ericmpena 03-02-2014 11:34 AM

I used to, until I found out the extra gas is probably going right back into the stations tanks. In the long run that's a lot of wasted money.

Basket Case 03-02-2014 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy (Post 1568405)
I've always assumed doing so could force fuel into the evap vent tube which is somewhere near the top of the tank. I can't imagine that would be good for the shut valve or the canister.

One of my science teachers when I was in high school ( I went to a gifted school with great teachers so I actually trust this guy) told us then when you do that you are wasting your money since the eval system catches most of it and you don't get the extra fuel. IDK, he was a great teacher and was always on the money s I tend to trust this guy, even years later when I independently verified some stuff.

zenki_levin 03-02-2014 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprintertrueno86 (Post 1568406)
Full service stations sometimes top off.

Self serve, I never top off but I always shake the gas nozzle furiously to get that last drip of gas in to my tank. :bellyroll:

Lol i thought i was the only one who did that. Sometimes gets me strange looks from onlookers.

marky 03-02-2014 11:57 AM

Nope never.. I like to keep light weight lol.. full tank= lower mpg=aka heavy.. but I have a heavy foot sometimes :bonk:

Calavera 03-02-2014 12:03 PM

In my 20s topped off all the time but did not shake. Now in my 30s never top off but do shake the crap out of it. Nothing worst then to pull out and make a mess - no sexual pun intended!


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Luis_GT 03-02-2014 12:03 PM

I always top off to the nearest .x0 or .x5

ProTekk 03-02-2014 12:14 PM

In NJ it's not self serve so I've made it a point to get to know my local stations and their guys and I pump my own gas at any of the places in my town. If I'm paying by card, I don't go past the first click but if it's with cash the nearest $0.50 will do since the attendants don't like digging for change and they tend to go to the next whole dollar.

993Fan 03-02-2014 02:17 PM

Always.

In some cars, if you stop fueling when the pump stops automatically, you'll wind up with a quarter-tank-full -- Porsches come to mind. If the pump's fuel flow rate is close to the tank's max fill rate, the sensor will trip prematurely. And of course, this also depends on the pump's design and settings.

In the BRZ, I can easily add another half gallon by "topping up" gently. That's about 15 more miles of gas station avoidance per tank and the "excess" fuel gets consumed in the next few minutes (SoCal...).

BadMoon 03-02-2014 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabble (Post 1568343)
I had a thought (just the one) about the percentage of people who top off their gas tank vs those who do not. My parents always top off but I always refuse.

So here's a poll to settle my curiosity.

FYI: if you don't know what topping off is; it's when you're filling your car with gas and the pump automatically shuts off with a full tank but you squeeze the nozzle again to get that extra bit of gas in your car.

It specifically says to not do that. So I don't. Once it automatically kicks off I pull out. :lol:

campy 03-02-2014 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProTekk (Post 1568737)
In NJ it's not self serve so I've made it a point to get to know my local stations and their guys and I pump my own gas at any of the places in my town.

I've gotta start doing this, but I'm all over the place so I don't have a "usual" gas station. 90% of attendants just let the gas cap drop on to the paint. You'd think they would have a tiny bit more respect for cars but none of them give a shit. I really don't see why pumping your own gas is literally against the law. At least give me the option.

I guess I'll just have to send the paint touch-up bill to Exxon Corporate :iono:

pcporo 03-02-2014 02:33 PM

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I'm with you, humfrz

Rabble 03-02-2014 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadMoon (Post 1568913)
It specifically says to not do that. So I don't. Once it automatically kicks off I pull out. :lol:

I bet your car and your girlfriend appreciate that :bellyroll:

White64Goat 03-02-2014 02:50 PM

When on a road trip and trying to get max mileage, I will fill it up until I can see it sitting in the filler neck. Only problem was that when I had my G5 GT when I did that, I got the service engine light coming on for 40-50 miles. Because of breathers and fuel re-circulation plumbing, it forced gas (instead of vapors) through the re-circ circuit causing the light to come on.

CrazyWookiee 03-02-2014 02:57 PM

Always stopped at the first click. I've seen people topping off and splashing fuel out. Not worth the risk. Then station attendants have to come out and clean up the spillage and also risks damaging the paint with the overspill

humfrz 03-02-2014 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calavera (Post 1568728)
In my 20s topped off all the time but did not shake. Now in my 30s never top off but do shake the crap out of it. Nothing worst then to pull out and make a mess - no sexual pun intended!


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The progression:

In your 40's, you will focus on releasing the gas cap cover before you get out of the car.

In your 50's, you will focus on remembering to screw your gas cap back on.

In your 60's you will focus on remembering to take your gas card out of the machine.

In your 70's you will try to remember to take the filler hose out of tank before driving off.


humfrz

chrisl 03-02-2014 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1569039)
In your 40's, you will focus on releasing the gas cap cover before you get out of the car.


I'm 24, and I frequently forget that already. Is that a bad sign?

humfrz 03-02-2014 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcporo (Post 1568926)
I'm with you, humfrz

pcporo, I see you have been down those roads ...... :)

But ...... why are you driving in the "passing" lane ...... there won't be any cars for at least 100 miles ..... :happyanim:


humfrz

humfrz 03-02-2014 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1569041)
I'm 24, and I frequently forget that already. Is that a bad sign?

Well, yeeeees ..... :( ..... chrisl ....... in YOUR 50's, you will have forgotten why you pulled into the gas station .... :bonk:


humfrz


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