Honestly why do people get a SC
 

I don't understand. The only reason I could think of would be that they don't want an aftermarket exhaust. Every turbo kit is a better option. If you factor in the cost of a header to a SC kit, it's equal or more expensive then turbo kit options with less power. SC kit with no header and exhaust might yield the same power as small turbo kit such as the AVO, but once you start adding a header and exhaust, the gains scale wayyyyyy less with the SC kit then with a turbo.

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Troll? Endless threads on the benefits of both routes...

Not a troll. Serious inquiry. The numbers don't add up. And I'm just trying to stir up the boards tonight.

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Why did you get this car? You wanted it. There's your answer to why people get SC kits. Spend your money the way you want.

Because linear power delivery and low end torque in the case of the Innovate kit. If you want to drag race and brag about big numbers, have fun with a turbo. Hope your motor lasts.

Ignorant thread is ignorant. Go do due diligence and then come back with some insightful posts. This is just... a waste.

^ and also, because some kits are CARB legal in California...

In that case I agree with you aside from the inflammatory nature and intent of your original post.

I have observed some very nice results from a friend's Vortech kit; however, while he got better peak power I have the benefit of lower boost, better MPG, earlier and higher torque, and the BOV noise is more fun in my car.

I can't speak to intercooled twin-screw setups yet as I haven't see how that pans out. Those tend to have a much better torque curve than the turbine SC.

OK maybe you guys are right. Carb legal is a good argument. Touche. But for me, it doesn't make sense.

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Why do people drag race when road racing is so much more fun? Why does Porsche opt for an NA engine in their GT3? Why are the best driver's cars equipped with high revving/low torque engines? So many question :)

Why are there so many strokes for so many different folks..



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numbers don't tell the whole story.

The car with the biggest numbers on paper is never the "best" car.

For my Solara, you could get a TRD SC installed by the dealer and it did not void your warranty...

First you need to understand that people want different things.

Secondly, a SC has no "lag" or odd transient response or boost thresholds, they produce instant linear power from idle that simply feels like a bigger engine.

A turbo might have vastly more headroom, but not everyone wants 500+hp. I personally will be PERFECTLY happy with 250-275whp. Hell, I'm pretty happy at stock power because I enjoy driving the car, not doing freeway pulls. That being said, I do want a bump in power with track day reliability that will last me for many years.

I've considered turbo, and have owned (and tracked) many turbo cars in the past, (WRX, two STI's and an Evo) but I love, love, LOVE the responsiveness of the NA engine in this chassis. I'd like to preserve that.

I'm more concerned about the cost per HP then headroom. Just saying for the price of a supercharger and header is the same or more then a turbo kit with equal or less power, from what I've read around here you can get a Tiny turbo with instant boost thanks to the high compression with more headroom on stock exhaust.

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i've had turbo cars in the past, and while i did enjoy them, i wanted instant power, and i wanted to know that if i ever decided to go try and drift (in a controlled enviroment) that i wouldn't have to worry about suddenly hitting boost and having the tail end go out on me.

besides, everyone around here has turbo, and it's played out. i wanted something different, something i could install myself in a day and was very easy to install. innovate took less than 4 hours from start to finish to install, and i was driving her that same afternoon.

Little to no pro drifters use Superchargers...

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notice i said "try" i have no idea what i'm doing with drifting. and i really do enjoy having ~200 lb/ft of torque anywhere in my RPM range.

Little to no one on this forum are pro drifters :)

Do you want to get sucked back into your seat at ~3,500 RPM or do you want to get sucked back into your seat at ~1 RPM? BRO?

thats the truth.

they run 9000rpm v-8s :lol: or turbos, having a good power band with a Turbo car say 4-8krpm or 5-9krpm (Supra at ~600whp for example) with boost threshold lower than that 4k rpm means they are going to be in boost nearly the whole run. and won't get the big rush of torque except of takeoff. transient response might take a few milliseconds depending, but thats up to the driver to get a feel for and control.

I will be getting a supercharger eventually, i like a nice linear power band thats going to keep this car's transient response time to a minimum. just a preference, and coming from a TC S2000, This car doesn't need world beating power just enough for the chassis to really shine, 300whp is lots for my goals and to be able to surprise quite a few solid cars.

Supercharger...LOL

Alright that made my night ty

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Sucked in my seat at idle please

http://www.amtraq.com/wp-content/upl...1-1250-834.jpg

OP help me understand why I can't decide between an AVO turbo and JR supercharger

please halp me :(

I would argue if your goal was the most power simply buying an frs/brz is a flawed first step.
There are much better cars on paper than an frs/brz... yet here we are

I went innovate supercharger because I love the instant power. Peddle to floor anywhere = Boost. The low end torque is also amazing.

While I agree that turbos are the clear winner on paper (and in reality), some people just prefer superchargers. It's a matter of personal preference. Superchargers are often easier to install and cheaper than building out a whole turbo setup with supporting mods. Some like the sound. The response argument is kinda moot with 12.5:1 compression, but regardless some still perceive that as a benefit.

Different strokes man. The real question would be why does it bother you so much? It's not your car/money....

Let me ask you guys this. If you want to have a screamer...lets say 9k rpm....wouldn't a supercharger be the best option? I'm assuming that a supercharger would be better for top end?

Appeal of SC kits is quick, out of the box performance with a dialed in tune.

Turbo is more of a project.

I'm leaning towards SC simply because I can't deal with a project right now.

Hasn't this topic been discussed millions of times in millions of different forums across the internet already? Google turbo vs sc and have at it. This topic takes up too much space on the internet.

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I've owned turbo cars all my life. Wanted to try something different.

I'm quite happy with my Innovate kit. At least for now :lol:

I debated between the Innovate and PTunings turbo kit, which I had every intention of buying at first. But, seeing as this is my DD, and I didn't want a turbo on there capable of 500whp, I decided against it.

The fact is this motor is NOT proven yet. I don't care how many forum experts say this motor is great, no one knows long term how it will react to F/I.

I've owned a 470whp STi, and sure its fun as hell but I did not want to worry about my BRZ blowing up, plus as a DD its just not needed. I'm over the "who's D is bigger" game when it comes to power.

Now if I had another car maybe i'd be singing a different tune here, but I weighed out my options, decided I wanted a somewhat reliable fun DD with a bit more power, and thats where I ended up.

not really. superchargers are often limited by compressor rpm, which itself is directly proportional to engine rpm. there really is no area (of performance) in which a supercharger is superior to a modern, well-matched turbocharger. that doesn't mean they don't have a niche though... like others have said their benefits lie mostly in cost/packaging/install/ease of tuning.

For me the turbo setup is way too much trouble.

When i upgrade to FI I know I don't need insane power levels and i want to keep my car atleast for 4 years. The SC supporting mods are easier and the whole routing/setup is much simpler and this is what closes the deal to me. I don't want to deal with an aftermarket setup that is too complex, as that will only give me headaches down the road.

The OP should go drive a car with a turbo and a car with a roots blower side by side and then we wouldn't have to have this stupid thread.

Ken Gushi is on this forum :burnrubber:

Are you serious.. Read up on the basic differences before you go off sounding all ignorant and offending. There are advantages and disadvantages to both systems.. Depending on your goals.. Stupid to start a thread like this before knowing the basics..

I'm personally a turbo guy myself because I love hearing the turbo start to spool and then get that punched in the chest feeling when the boost kicks in. With that said, superchargers have no lag, they are much easier to tune, you don't have to worry about boost spikes/boost creep and boost controllers that can malfunction and blow your engine to pieces when your turbo spools up to 35psi, and a superchargers whine is damn sexy

Trying to stir up the boards?