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goshem 02-24-2014 09:54 AM

Anyone elses clutch like this?
 
I'm 700 miles in, and when I hold the clutch at the engagement point at a flat area it BARELY moves like <1mph and the rpms drops and goes up repeatedly (fluctuates). I feel that when I fiest got the car it would go a little bit faster and the rpms didnt use to do that when I first took delivery.

Is there something wrong with the car?


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SloS14 02-24-2014 10:02 AM

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stugray 02-24-2014 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goshem (Post 1552741)
and when I hold the clutch at the engagement point at a flat area it BARELY moves

So you are intentionally letting the clutch slip, and wondering why you are not going?

I am not understanding....

goshem 02-24-2014 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1552753)
So you are intentionally letting the clutch slip, and wondering why you are not going?

I am not understanding....


What I mean is that when I first got the car and slowly slip the clutch, the rpms would drop smoothly and the car would start rolling, now when I do the same the rpms will fall and start bouncing and the car barely moves at all



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radroach 02-24-2014 11:21 AM

I've had a funny start once where I clutched halfway out and then back in, the engine rpm's took a dip and almost stalled and came back up again. Is this what you mean?

goshem 02-24-2014 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radroach (Post 1552838)
I've had a funny start once where I clutched halfway out and then back in, the engine rpm's took a dip and almost stalled and came back up again. Is this what you mean?


yeah exactly, but this happens to my car most of the time not like a once a time thing



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humfrz 02-24-2014 11:43 AM

I really don't understand what you're experiencing ..... but, I would speculate that happening because your clutch is getting broke in. i.e. smoothed out/a bit glazed (an OK thing).

:iono:


humfrz

Porsche 02-24-2014 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goshem (Post 1552770)
What I mean is that when I first got the car and slowly slip the clutch, the rpms would drop smoothly and the car would start rolling, now when I do the same the rpms will fall and start bouncing and the car barely moves at all

Find a level open space where you can check your clutch without any danger of running into anything.

Park your car with the engine running.

Firmly apply the handbrake.

De-clutch. Engage 5th gear.

Very s-l-o-w-l-y engage the clutch.

Can you engage the clutch fully without the engine stalling?

If so, your clutch is badly worn and requires replacement.

If the engine stalls immediately, then your clutch still has sufficient bite. Who knows for how long?

You may have a bit of oil, or something, on your clutch disc, or the disc may be glazed.

Try "burning it off" by doing a couple of aggressive launches, a.k.a. drag racing starts.

Good luck. :)

SloS14 02-24-2014 11:59 AM

Are you like using the clutch pedal and not using the accelerator at all? If so...there is no reason to ever do that.

raul 02-24-2014 12:10 PM

Give it some damn gas and stop trying to creep around with the clutch only.

goshem 02-24-2014 12:17 PM

Anyone elses clutch like this?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche (Post 1552886)
Find a level open space where you can check your clutch without any danger of running into anything.

Park your car with the engine running.

Firmly apply the handbrake.

De-clutch. Engage 5th gear.

Very s-l-o-w-l-y engage the clutch.

Can you engage the clutch fully without the engine stalling?

If so, your clutch is badly worn and requires replacement.

If the engine stalls immediately, then your clutch still has sufficient bite. Who knows for how long?

You may have a bit of oil, or something, on your clutch disc, or the disc may be glazed.

Try "burning it off" by doing a couple of aggressive launches, a.k.a. drag racing starts.

Good luck. :)

Do I really have to do that? I mean I can feel the clutch grab real hard still, it's just that I thought it isn't normal how it's not really rolling smoothly on the engagement point in 1st gear and the rpms bouncing after I put the clutch in completely.


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goshem 02-24-2014 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SloS14 (Post 1552900)
Are you like using the clutch pedal and not using the accelerator at all? If so...there is no reason to ever do that.


yeah now I know, I use to do that when I was learning..


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SloS14 02-24-2014 12:36 PM

Your clutch probably has more glaze than Krispy Kreme.

Porsche 02-24-2014 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goshem (Post 1552938)
Do I really have to do that?


Certainly not.

You have to die and pay taxes in this lifetime.

But, take an entire minute in your day to learn something and pursue a possible solution?

Certainly not.

You're welcome, and good luck.

Gary in NJ 02-24-2014 01:18 PM

Don't ride the clutch.

You should pass through the transition point as fast as you can while launching smoothly. Typically this is where throttle is applied.

SpeedyJay 02-24-2014 01:27 PM

Make sure you have the latest ECU update on your car with the Idle monitor fix, I think I kind of know what your talking about with the unstable idle. Keep in mind the ECU is always learning so things can change depending on how you drive the car.

For the BRZ the new ECU update came out here a few weeks ago.

humfrz 02-24-2014 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goshem (Post 1552938)
Do I really have to do that? I mean I can feel the clutch grab real hard still, it's just that I thought it isn't normal how it's not really rolling smoothly on the engagement point in 1st gear and the rpms bouncing after I put the clutch in completely.


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Oh, my ..... :sigh:

goshem, I'm thinken you may be "grabbing" for things to worry about.

As shown by @Porsche up above, that test will help determine if your clutch disk is about wore out or your pressure plate is weak or the clutch is way out of adjustment.

If your clutch is "chattering" it will be quite apparent (it sounds like a thrashing machine).

If it is out of adjustment (one way) you won't be able to put your car in gear if the engine is running.

So, it sounds to me like your clutch is "normal". If in doubt, I suggest you go down to the dealership or to a meet up and drive another MT car ....:thumbsup:



humfrz

stugray 02-24-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedyJay (Post 1553105)
For the BRZ the new ECU update came out here a few weeks ago.


Would you please post the ROM ID of this new ECU update you speak of?
And is that for a 2013?

krayzie 02-24-2014 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SloS14 (Post 1552900)
Are you like using the clutch pedal and not using the accelerator at all? If so...there is no reason to ever do that.

Required when doing extremely slow and careful maneuvers in and out of a very tight garage. Otherwise with normal driving, no need even with traffic creep.

SloS14 02-24-2014 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krayzie (Post 1553528)
Required when doing extremely slow and careful maneuvers in and out of a very tight garage. Otherwise with normal driving, no need even with traffic creep.

"Required" must have a different meaning in Canada eh?

goshem 02-24-2014 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche (Post 1552886)
Find a level open space where you can check your clutch without any danger of running into anything.

Park your car with the engine running.

Firmly apply the handbrake.

De-clutch. Engage 5th gear.

Very s-l-o-w-l-y engage the clutch.

Can you engage the clutch fully without the engine stalling?

If so, your clutch is badly worn and requires replacement.

If the engine stalls immediately, then your clutch still has sufficient bite. Who knows for how long?

You may have a bit of oil, or something, on your clutch disc, or the disc may be glazed.

Try "burning it off" by doing a couple of aggressive launches, a.k.a. drag racing starts.

Good luck. :)


Ok so I just tried doing what you said. I let it half way and it certainly catches but if I completely let out the clutch I'm almost 100% sure it will stall out. So what's the deal?


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humfrz 02-24-2014 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SloS14 (Post 1553676)
"Required" must have a different meaning in Canada eh?

Well, it could be "required".

Say you had just left your lover's apartment and you were down in the parking garage, with a car with loud exhausts, and as you were just about to leave, you noticed her husband (which you knew) walking through the garage ..... :eyebulge:


humfrz

Mikem53 02-24-2014 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goshem (Post 1552741)
I'm 700 miles in, and when I hold the clutch at the engagement point at a flat area it BARELY moves like <1mph and the rpms drops and goes up repeatedly (fluctuates). I feel that when I fiest got the car it would go a little bit faster and the rpms didnt use to do that when I first took delivery.

Is there something wrong with the car?


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Is your complaint about the clutch slipping or the rpms fluxuating under a load?
Older 13's have a TSB out for idle issues..
I'm used to v8 where u let the cluch out slowly without any accel and then u use the gas to go.. This car however will tend to bog and stall using the same technique.. I still try for the grab at low rpms.. but u have to be already on the gas early, before complete engagement.. You really have to drive this car to get it smooth.. Gets more natural with time..

goshem 02-24-2014 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikem53 (Post 1553760)
Is your complaint about the clutch slipping or the rpms fluxuating under a load?

Older 13's have a TSB out for idle issues..

I'm used to v8 where u let the cluch out slowly without any accel and then u use the gas to go.. This car however will tend to bog and stall using the same technique.. I still try for the grab at low rpms.. but u have to be already on the gas early, before complete engagement.. You really have to drive this car to get it smooth.. Gets more natural with time..


Idk now I'm scared I just did the clutch test in 5th gear and it didn't immediately stall out.. :((




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Mikem53 02-24-2014 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goshem (Post 1553770)
Idk now I'm scared I just did the clutch test in 5th gear and it didn't immediately stall out.. :((




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Sounds like your clutch is shot..

goshem 02-24-2014 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikem53 (Post 1553778)
Sounds like your clutch is shot..


I can't believe it, I just got the car and never dumped the clutch nor rode the clutch too hard (over 2k rpms) or rode the clutch too long.. How can this happen?


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n2oinferno 02-24-2014 05:38 PM

New to driving stick? Ever smell a burning, nasty smell while you're driving? Kinda like tires, but maybe worse? Slipping the clutch too much, too often will wear it out. Sucks, but it's a learning thing. I toasted a clutch while I was learning to drive too, not the end of the world. Pockets hurt for a bit though.

chas3wba0 02-24-2014 05:50 PM

I kind of get what your saying. Doesn't happen all the time, but sometimes the idling RPM's will drop so that I will stall when trying to launch normally like I always do, leading me to think I'm still a sh0ddy MT driver after 4000 miles. It's a known issue with this car though, just feather the throttle more

krayzie 02-24-2014 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SloS14 (Post 1553676)
"Required" must have a different meaning in Canada eh?

I guess I can always get out and push the car, or take my horse and carriage instead.

goshem 02-24-2014 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n2oinferno (Post 1553817)
New to driving stick? Ever smell a burning, nasty smell while you're driving? Kinda like tires, but maybe worse? Slipping the clutch too much, too often will wear it out. Sucks, but it's a learning thing. I toasted a clutch while I was learning to drive too, not the end of the world. Pockets hurt for a bit though.


:( I still dont know if its the clutch or I'm just imagining things. I honestly didn't beat on the car.. I definitely rode the clutch a little bit when I was learning but never thought a clutch can go out this fast though..


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SpeedyJay 02-24-2014 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1553444)
Would you please post the ROM ID of this new ECU update you speak of?
And is that for a 2013?

Sorry I don't have any info on the ROM ID, I know the FRS update came out a couple of months ago so I just went to Subaru and asked for it (about 2 weeks ago now). And yes its for a 2013

Definitely a more stable idle, especially when backing out of my very narrow garage I use almost no throttle and it used to dip and bounce sometimes as I engaged and disengaged the clutch. Now is very solid and predictable, that's what I thought the OP was getting at..

Porsche 02-25-2014 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goshem (Post 1553893)
:( I still dont know if its the clutch or I'm just imagining things. I honestly didn't beat on the car.. I definitely rode the clutch a little bit when I was learning but never thought a clutch can go out this fast though..


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We need clarity here. :)

Are you saying, then, that you FULLY ENGAGED the clutch with the car in 5th gear, the handbrake firmly applied ... and the engine did NOT stall?

The car's in gear, your foot is COMPLETELY OFF THE CLUTCH PEDAL, the car's NOT moving, and the engine's still running?

Between these posts and our private PM exchange, I'm confused, my friend.

Help us out, here. ;)

Porsche 02-25-2014 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1553753)
Well, it could be "required".

Say you had just left your lover's apartment and you were down in the parking garage, with a car with loud exhausts, and as you were just about to leave, you noticed her husband (which you knew) walking through the garage ..... :eyebulge:


humfrz

LOL!

Speaking from experience, are we?

You old rogue, you... :D

humfrz 02-25-2014 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche (Post 1554828)
LOL!

Speaking from experience, are we?

You old rogue, you... :D

Oh my .... :sigh:

I remember, back in the day, in Bridgeport, CT, waay before the present mrs humfrz, I was leaving late one night, in my BRG MGB when ...... WAIT A GOSH DARN MINUTE, there @Porsche ...... how come that scenario up above rings a bell with YOU .... ??

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...es/naughty.gif


humfrz

Porsche 02-25-2014 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1554968)
Oh my .... :sigh:

I remember, back in the day, in Bridgeport, CT, waay before the present mrs humfrz, I was leaving late one night, in my BRG MGB when ...... WAIT A GOSH DARN MINUTE, there @Porsche ...... how come that scenario up above rings a bell with YOU .... ??

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...es/naughty.gif


humfrz


Who... me?

Nuuuuuuu.

I'm a saint.

It's been a problem all my life. :)

humfrz 02-25-2014 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porsche (Post 1555003)
Who... me?

Nuuuuuuu.

I'm a saint.

It's been a problem all my life. :)

I'm sure ...... http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...s/rolleyes.gif


humfrz


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