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Timmy_Jones 02-16-2014 10:37 PM

Time to buy a new frs?
 
Local dealer has 5 leftover 13' FR-Ss....what would you pay for one? It's president day which is a huge sale anyways. Can dealers move on the fixed pricing if the cars are a year old?

Stickers on them say $24,9xx (manual).

Anyway they would let it go for $22-$23?

Thanks

cycleboy 02-16-2014 10:41 PM

Dealers can drop the price if they are inclined to, give them a try! Feel free to walk away. Their loss.

deucethemoose 02-16-2014 10:41 PM

Why don't you go and find out?

If not then go get a BRZ. You can always haggle with Subaru.

Jac 02-16-2014 10:42 PM

Scion doesn't really budge on pricing, you're better finding a 13 BRZ. I'm sure you could get a premium for 23/24.

strat61caster 02-16-2014 10:55 PM

They can but they probably won't. They'll try and wheel and deal items that are usually fat profit for them: floor mats, wheel locks, service plans, extended warranties. They'll break even on those while still making standard profits on the cars.

N1rve 02-16-2014 11:34 PM

For a 2013, they should be on "Manager Special" with a lower pricing.

I bought my 2013 FRS at the end of 2013. It was 1500 off MSRP.

Right now they're giving an additional 1000 off 10 series FRS.

Vincenttam 02-17-2014 06:40 AM

Theyre gonna give you that bs that they are under pure pricing. But theres a few members on this forumn that said they got it for cheaper. Try to get some parts in for free though if they won't budge on the price :thumbsup:

kcam86 02-17-2014 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincenttam (Post 1534961)
Theyre gonna give you that bs that they are under pure pricing. But theres a few members on this forumn that said they got it for cheaper. Try to get some parts in for free though if they won't budge on the price :thumbsup:

There is some truth behind the pure prixing. They have to sell every frs with similar equipment for that year for the same price if they dont they can be fined a ton of money and if it hapoens enough they can have the scion brand revoked from them. For example lets say there is a barebones 13 frs and they sell it for 24 the rest of the 13frs that are barebones have to be sold for that.

D_Thissen 02-17-2014 10:23 AM

Thats what I did. Just picked up my '13 FR-S. If they can't get the price of the car any lower (I'm sure you could get at least another 500 out of them) try and see if they will include accessories. Thats what mine did. Good luck!

Chattanooga FR-S 02-17-2014 11:43 AM

I've even seen some members post about getting the tax paid by the dealer, getting an extra year of the free maintenance, etc. I'd go in with a list of items, and just start throwing them on the table, see what they will go for. Good luck!

AlexWood 02-17-2014 11:59 AM

I just picked up a 2013 about a week ago now. Listing price online was 24,800. When we got there the amount of "dealer options" and dealer fees shot the price up to 28k that wasn't mentioned on the web ad. Eventually we haggled them down to the original listing price after they deducted all dealer fees and options and I got 1.9% apr. The dealer I was at was itching to get the 2013's off the lot so you can probably work a deal but from at least my experience you won't get much under 24. Just my .02 but good luck! Hope you can find one.


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Braces 02-17-2014 12:09 PM

Contact every local Scion/Subaru dealership through the internet and point blank ask them what their lowest deal is on a 2013. The dealerships need to move the leftover 2013s. Someone will ultimately deal. Also ... watch out for the demo 2013 cars. I would stay clear of them.

Vincenttam 02-18-2014 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kcam86 (Post 1535002)
There is some truth behind the pure prixing. They have to sell every frs with similar equipment for that year for the same price if they dont they can be fined a ton of money and if it hapoens enough they can have the scion brand revoked from them. For example lets say there is a barebones 13 frs and they sell it for 24 the rest of the 13frs that are barebones have to be sold for that.

as true as this is they never have a barebone fr-s. Or at least in my la area they didn't. No two vehicles were ever the same, they either had some with rear applicators, or whiteouts without. Factory installed = mark up. Dealer added = they can mark it down. But the stupid scion in Pasadena refused to do so, they were willing to disable the low jack but leave the system in my car.

suaveflooder 02-18-2014 01:50 AM

worth trying OP! Give it a shot! That would be a GREAT price for a new FRS!

shaunsweeney 02-18-2014 01:53 AM

I got them to cut me a check for $1k for a winter tire/wheel package of my choice. I pocketed the leftover cash.

Timmy_Jones 02-18-2014 10:01 AM

well guys I went in and spoke with a sales rep and their internet manager....sticker said 25,1xx and the salesman gave me a 'great deal'...... $24,533 and he wouldn't drop his $299 dealer fee.

I am better of getting a 14 BRZ Premium for a few hundred more.

Thanks for the encouragement guys, I may have been able to swing something like winter tires/tint/remote start but he wouldn't budge on the price of the car so I didn't try.

skylin3gtr013 02-18-2014 10:42 AM

I was able to get my AT FRS for $22,500 after a college grad rebate from Koons in Tysons Corner, VA.
I guess since they're a much larger dealer they have to keep things moving, hence the low price. Either way I think I did pretty well there haha

Timmy_Jones 02-18-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skylin3gtr013 (Post 1537899)
I was able to get my AT FRS for $22,500 after a college grad rebate from Koons in Tysons Corner, VA.
I guess since they're a much larger dealer they have to keep things moving, hence the low price. Either way I think I did pretty well there haha

That sounds like a great deal, which is more what I was thinking. If your AT was 22,500 then I would figure the stick to be around 21,500 which is where I was hoping.

BRZZZZZZZZZZ 02-18-2014 01:51 PM

Any dealer can discount any car, its up to them what they are willing to do. I walked away with a 2014 BRZ Sport Tech in December for $500 over invoice.

shaunsweeney 02-18-2014 04:46 PM

Stop trying to get them to lower the price on the actual car. That's your problem. I didn't even bother because of the the pure pricing nonsense. Get what you want from them thrown in for free (starter, tint, wheels/tires, etc). They are always more willing to cut you a check for stuff like winter tires to keep scion off of their back.

rxpx2012 02-18-2014 06:17 PM

So many people are afraid to open their mouth to the dealer because of all the "pure price" nonsense. If they want to move the car bad enough, they will work with you and lower it. Just be willing to walk and you will be a lot more effective with getting the price down.

orlandorealtor 02-18-2014 06:27 PM

Our dealer lowered the price down quite a bit around 2500.00-3000.00 on our 2014 FRS Auto Whiteout. Then they gave me 2000.00 for an old 2003 Explorer that booked retail for that. Thought we came out very well. If you don't ask you won't receive.

Quentin 02-18-2014 11:45 PM

I searched cars.com for new '13s an found a few dealers with good prices. By the time they added all of their fees and such, we were pretty much back to invoice, which was above my employee price for a '14 (no trade-ins considered). For whatever reason, dealers seem content on letting these just sit on the lot.

Timmy_Jones 02-19-2014 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Quentin (Post 1539951)
I searched cars.com for new '13s an found a few dealers with good prices. By the time they added all of their fees and such, we were pretty much back to invoice, which was above my employee price for a '14 (no trade-ins considered). For whatever reason, dealers seem content on letting these just sit on the lot.

I don’t get it either, I told them the price I wanted them to beat and what I wanted for my trade in.

I suppose I would pay what they were asking if they threw in a car starter, tint, and winter tires. But that it the only thing I didn't ask for.

D_Thissen 02-19-2014 04:54 PM

I had to talk to 5 dealerships before I found one that I wanted to deal with.

I had a '13 TC for trade in, the dealership that I bought the car from originally only offered 9k for the car.

The dealership I bought my FR-S from paid off my TC in full, and got me into an FR-S (with tints/fogs/blocker heater and only 18km / 11 miles) for significantly less than some dealerships were offering on a barebones demo FRS ( with 10000km / 6000 miles). I think the difference worked out to around 5 grand.

Shop around :)

Wilsonk227 02-19-2014 05:27 PM

I had a Scion dealer around here who was lowering ALL 2013 FRS models down by 1k. Pretty sure they could go even lower if they wanted to. Shop around and you'll find it easily

chadmb2003 02-19-2014 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skylin3gtr013 (Post 1537899)
I was able to get my AT FRS for $22,500 after a college grad rebate from Koons in Tysons Corner, VA.
I guess since they're a much larger dealer they have to keep things moving, hence the low price. Either way I think I did pretty well there haha

Yeah I saw where they are selling them way less than MSRP. Do you know if they allow you to custom order?

FRSure 02-19-2014 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chadmb2003 (Post 1541941)
Yeah I saw where they are selling them way less than MSRP. Do you know if they allow you to custom order?

I have ordered my FRS there before, what do you mean by custom orders?

chadmb2003 02-19-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FRSure (Post 1541970)
I have ordered my FRS there before, what do you mean by custom orders?

Not picking one off the lot. E.g. I call them up and say I want a 2014 automatic with nothing on it, can they do that and give the couple thousand off MSRP in the process.

FRSure 02-19-2014 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadmb2003 (Post 1541980)
Not picking one off the lot. E.g. I call them up and say I want a 2014 automatic with nothing on it, can they do that and give the couple thousand off MSRP in the process.

Oh.
Trust me, 90% of the FRS they have are base models. They will add features to it after you purchase the car.( if you want)
The cars are relatively low miles. Less than 10.
My salesman was George Davaa. We negotiated well below the WOW Price.

chadmb2003 02-19-2014 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FRSure (Post 1541990)
Oh.
Trust me, 90% of the FRS they have are base models. They will add features to it after you purchase the car.( if you want)
The cars are relatively low miles. Less than 10.

I'm several months out from purchasing/ordering one. This is the only dealer I've found within driving distance that sells them below MSRP.
How was your experience with them?

FRSure 02-19-2014 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadmb2003 (Post 1541997)
I'm several months out from purchasing/ordering one. This is the only dealer I've found within driving distance that sells them below MSRP.
How was your experience with them?

Salesman: George Davaa
Very good. No pressure.
We talked online first using the online chat system. I asked for George.
Scheduled an appointment.
Went there. Greeted us. Asked if we wanna test drive.
I said sure.
Went out. Opened up engine bay, and explained every single detail which I knew already.
We went on a test drive, and he came along with it.
Casual Conversation.
Went back in the dealership, asked if we would like to purchase the car.
Said yes.
Did the paperwork.
Salesman ask: Would you like this that that that that. I said no.
Salesman said: Alrighty, let met talk to the Finance department.
Expect 30mins-45mins waiting time if you're planning to finance. The dealership is always packed with people.
Finance guy attitude is not that nice. But w.e, you want the car for a low price, not for their attitude.

If you order from them, you get lifetime free inspection.
Also, you get a $150 gift card and another $200 if you finance from them.

Timmy_Jones 02-22-2014 11:31 AM

Called me back today and they want to lower the price.....I'll keep everyone posted.

jblmr2 02-22-2014 01:25 PM

Remember if your financing you will be making 3 transactions with the dealer, buying a car, selling a car, and buying financing. What is important is the amount of money that comes out of your pocket. If they won't negotiate on one transaction get it somewhere else. Good luck!

shaunsweeney 02-23-2014 05:45 AM

Never use dealer financing if you can get a lower rate through your personal bank or credit union. This gives you more negotiating power.

StOpNG0x 02-23-2014 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1537821)
well guys I went in and spoke with a sales rep and their internet manager....sticker said 25,1xx and the salesman gave me a 'great deal'...... $24,533 and he wouldn't drop his $299 dealer fee.

I am better of getting a 14 BRZ Premium for a few hundred more.

Thanks for the encouragement guys, I may have been able to swing something like winter tires/tint/remote start but he wouldn't budge on the price of the car so I didn't try.

That's surprising because Maine is not a market for an FR-S/BRZ due to the shitty weather up there. I lived in Portland for a bit and their is no way in hell I'd drive a car like that up there. I'd say they are dumb for not giving you what you wanted. A buyer like you comes few and far between up there.

shaunsweeney 02-23-2014 11:07 AM

You would be surprised how many of these cars are running around New England.

sevi21 02-23-2014 02:26 PM

Scion will not do a sale...even on leftovers

Timmy_Jones 02-24-2014 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by shaunsweeney (Post 1551028)
You would be surprised how many of these cars are running around New England.

I have a seen a total of 2. One was a black FRS which I have never seen again and then there is a wrb BRZ which I see maybe once a month.

They are very rare around here.

This dealer has five 13 leftovers and they have a 10 series in the showroom.

They would be wise to lower the price. I put in a request on a price, salesmen is checking with his manager.

shaunsweeney 02-24-2014 11:13 AM

I think a lot of folks put them away for the winter. I saw a lot more before the first snow.


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