How much would a new Supra cost ?
 

Well, i am starting to get board of my car, it's been with our family since day one out of the dealership.

I would like to buy a new car in a year or so.


My dream would be for a new Supra but i'm not holding my breath .

Anyways, how much do you guys think would a new Supra cost, would it be under 60,000 OR more, oh of course the Twin turbo model .

http://www.koracing.net/viewproduct....4e920dd43c537b

that should help with the boredom. i would expect a new supra to be $60-80K (we're talking turbo, fully loaded for 80).

-Mike

It would be priced competitively with the 370Z, so $30K-$40K depending on kit. Turbos would be very unlikely with Toyota's current focus on N/A.

Perhaps there would be a high performance version with the Lexus 5.0 V8. Probably a little over $50K for that.

It would be near impossible to find a "new Supra" but this is as close to a new Supra as you can get.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

OK are you talking about getting a JZA80 or The FT-HS or other concept? Cause the answers so far have been for both.

Have you been living under a rock? Supra's are known to race against GT-R's, though produced to race against Corvettes...

When the Supra was first introduced it was a Celica Supra. Basically a Ceilca with a bigger engine (6 cyl instead of 4 cyl). These cars (both Celica and Celica Supra) were considered to be direct competition to the Mustang.

In 1986 they split the Supra from the Celica line, up and changed the Ceilca to a FWD car, while the Supra remained a heavy weight combatant with popular Pony cars, fighting with a renewed I6 engine.

In 1987 Toyota turbo charged the Supra in hopes to go from Mustang competition, to Corvette Killer. With the improved performance, was an improved price tag. Unfortunately the sales were not improved.

1988 marked the year of the All-Trac (Musta been an amazing year, considering thats when I was born.) Celica was given a 200hp Turbo 4 cyl motor, and AWD to handle the increase. in 1990 the Celica was arguably the most beautiful high-production car of the early 1990s.

Sales of the Supra halt in 1992 for a redesign to be revealed in 1993. The Previously Turbo charged engine is now a Twin Turbo engine, producing 320hp. Prices in the $50,000 range, sales are low. Performance is high, 0-60 in 5.3 seconds (1993, thats $%#!ing fast.) Racers call the Supra "Pure Adrenaline attached to a license plate."

1996, Toyota is considering discontinuing the Supra. Sales are low. 40 are imported per month into the States, and only 21 per month are taken to Europe. Other Japanese legends, such as the Nissan 300ZX, Mazda RX-7, and the Dodge Stealth had been discontinued.

When they were once Affordable Fun cars (pocket rockets I believe the term is) they had become over-optioned, over priced and the market had been swinging to Minivans and SUV.s

1998 is the discontinuation of the Supra, and in 1999, Toyota launches the new Celica. The space age redesign make the car look futuristic, fit for the new millennia and is an aerodynamic achievement for Toyota. Nearly as capable as the 1998 Supra in handling, the new Celica is an incredible seller for the new year.

The Toyota Supra was one of 8 Japanese cars at that point to achieve over 1G on the skid pad.

I didn't mean finding a newer Supra, i meant Toyota making a new Supra Model for the future

Oh p.s, i just cannot believe that ad, only 8000 miles, thats extremely low but if true, that would truly be amazing

A new Supra has been rumored to be in the works now for at least 10 years. The only concept that has come close to taking over the reins the Supra left behind is the FT-HS, and its still just a concept only, with no mention from Toyota if the car will ever make production.

Basically if you want a 'new' Supra, even under the best circumstances, you'd have to wait at least 3-5 years before one even showed up at a dealer, and that's if it were announced like...today.

Fyi, don't get rid of that Mk4 dude. Keep it in good shape and clean. Its value has no where to go but up in the coming years.

Edit: Guess I should answer the question of the topic.

If a new Supra were to come out today it would be pretty expensive indeed. The Supra was Toyota's flagship sports car for a great number of years, showcasing the highest in production performance R&D while coming in 'stock' form with a laundry list of luxuries. All of that taken into account, you would probably expect to see an MSRP hovering close to $60,000. Remember, the Supra held the title of 'poor-mans Porsche' (a statement given with great respect) for a reason.

If you took a direct analysis with inflation, a '98 Mk4 with a $43,000 dealer price would sell for roughly $56,000 today.

Edit Edit: If the FT-HS were released as the new Supra, today, it might actually be a bit higher of a pricetag. That car would be taunting some serious technology behind it. My hopes for Toyota in the near future are:
FT-86: entry level sports coupe
New Celica/MR-2: mid-level sports coupe (hopefully forever shaking off its FWD garbage)
New Supra: High-end, top of the line sports coupe.

A sports car for every market tier.

Oh, i won't be getting rid of it, i though about it and my Dad almost had a heart attack. My Dad took very good care of it, he gave it to me and i treated it like Royalty, the car would go to my younger brother, he want's it so bad. The Car will stay with the family forever, although my friends keep telling me that its worth over 40,000 g's, i just recently passed 80,000 km on it,ill soon have to change the timing belt and water pump though, i think i might take it to the dealership for this but i know ill get a nice big fat bill, lol

I would venture to say that a "new supra" successor would cost the same as a GT-R around 75-85k.

I had a 1985 MKII Celica Supra and that car was the tits so I hope they bring back that concept especially if the FT-86 is named the new celica then Toyota could go all crazy and drop in a porsche-like turbo H6 and call it a Celica Supra just to throw every body off, lol.

The MkIV Supra costs around $75K in todays money. Traditionally, it was always a Z competitor, up until the MkIV, where it took on vettes/911s/etc, and measured up to pretty much everything that wasn't in the exotic realm of that time (1993).

Were a supra released today it would either;
a) Cost around $30-$40K, forgo the Supra nameplate and revert to being a Z competitor
or
b) Cost Upward of $80K and rape pretty much everything this side of an LFA/458/Murci....

I think neither is likely to actually happen.

Don't tell this to my Dad, lol.

He wants a new one as bad as i do, he even said he would pay 100,000 for it.

It would be so cool if this happened my Dads MKV Supra, My MKIV Supra and my brothers MKIII supra all in the same house.

If that's supposed to be an argument, I don't know what to tell you.

If Toyota were to come out with a Supra today, it would be a Toyota two door version of the Lexus IS350. Same thing Nissan does with the Infiniti G37 and 370Z. Two doors, crappier interior, slightly cheaper.

The car industry is all about efficiencies of scale. The above is the only sensible way to do it.

They would never call it Supra.

I wouldn't mind either of those two options, but I'd rather have something that normal people can afford. Maybe a bigger FT a twin turbo H6.

I love boxer engine and all, but if they gonna go for h6 twin turbo, I prefer they put v6 twin turbo instead.

+1

and call it a 3jz-gte,:drool:

i think i would jizz a little if this ever happaned

Toyota's current V6s are designated "GR".

They replace their 6 cyl engines every ~8-10 years or so. If they can make a V10 as small as a their V6 and Lighter than their V8s, I'm really amped to see what they are going to come up with this time next year or year after.

:party0030:

If they made next Supra w v10 engine, I'm pretty sure I won't buy it... to be technical, I wouldn't be able to afford it.

New supra would compete with next gen M3/GT-R/Z06 so at least 60k not more than 85k. would proly use a version of the IS-F motor.

66k tho... fugg that! My bad, the only Supra is the MKIV. Everything so far has been rumors.

I agree with the masses! It would definitely float around the same price tag as a GTR and will have probably be as technologically advanced as the GTR.

Bless the day they bring back all the 90's cars!! :party0030:

Why is that?

The IS-F comes in at $59K. Why in the world would they position a Toyota above a Lexus. That makes no sense.

The J block is iron. No way would they reuse it.

Wide valve angle heads ("G") are dead for turbo applications. It's all narrow angle now ("F"). A turbo motor would definitely use direct injection, so there needs to be an "S" in there.

In the highly unlikely event they were to go twin turbo, it would be a 2GR-FSTE.

But why in the world would they develop that whole new motor rather than just use the excellent 2UR-GSE out of the IS-F if they want big (>400) horsepower?

:word:

Has everyone forgot about the IS-F? or does it have to many doors to be cool?
:sigh:

It's a very nice car but i want 2 doors, then were talking, my Dad almost bought one last year but he really wanted a coupe version.

[QUOTE=enc0re;14903]The IS-F comes in at $59K. Why in the world would they position a Toyota above a Lexus. That makes no sense.[/QUOTE

cause it's a supra. Different class than is-f

^ What Shevon said. Supra is...was Toyota's flagship sports car. The IS-F is Lexus' entry model sports sedan. The Land Cruiser starts @ $69K doesn't it? More than an RX or GX.

I think you missed my point. I was talking about building a V6 around the same ideology of their V10 (Lightweight, bulletproof, compact, free revving), while of course having direct injection/ignition, valvematic & maybe even stop-start technology as well. Heck, while they are at it, I'd hope they would feel free to make it able to accept turbos in certain applications, maybe even throw on some of those variable geometry turbos they've been working on for the last couple of years (feel free to leave off the electric spool).

No but it does ONLY come with an 8 speed automatic transmission which makes it very uncool to some of us. And I don't care if that tranny can shift .5 sec faster than I can it's still not as fun as a traditional 6 speed manual.

Have you driven one yet?

I guess a GTR is uncool as well right?

A lot of reason, but I'll just list 2

1. Power
Power difference you can get out of V engine and boxer engine is ridiculous. For an example I'll use new Legacy 3.6R, which has 3.6L H6 engine. That engine name is EZ36D 3629CC DOHC, 260ps (256 hp) @6000rpm, 335Nm (247lbf-ft) @4400rpm. Top of my head, Toyota v6 engine that comes to mind is v6 engine from GS350, iirc it was 2GR-FE (correct me if I'm wrong), it's pressing 303hp w 289lbf-ft. 0.1 litter smaller and it's pressing 47hp & 42lbf-ft difference... but of course this EZ36D engine is just a bored out EZ30R, so technically it's 3L block was bore to the limit.

2. Modification
I have seen some shop swap the STI engine out and put EZ30R engine and put big turbo to press over 800hp... but we're talkin' bout over $20k of work and lasting the engine for few yrs and blow up. While v engine you spent half of that and make much or more hp and last longer.

Those are the simple reasons why

Ah~ gotcha.

[QUOTE=ichitaka05;14916]A lot of reason, but I'll just list 2

1. Power
Power difference you can get out of V engine and boxer engine is ridiculous. For an example I'll use new Legacy 3.6R, which has 3.6L H6 engine. That engine name is EZ36D 3629CC DOHC, 260ps (256 hp) @6000rpm, 335Nm (247lbf-ft) @4400rpm. Top of my head, Toyota v6 engine that comes to mind is v6 engine from GS350, iirc it was 2GR-FE (correct me if I'm wrong), it's pressing 303hp w 289lbf-ft. 0.1 litter smaller and it's pressing 47hp & 42lbf-ft difference... but of course this EZ36D engine is just a bored out EZ30R, so technically it's 3L block was bore to the limit.

2. Modification
I have seen some shop swap the STI engine out and put EZ30R engine and put big turbo to press over 800hp... but we're talkin' bout over $20k of work and lasting the engine for few yrs and blow up. While v engine you spent half of that and make much or more hp and last longer.

Those are the simple reasons why
/QUOTE]

So are you saying they arent strong and cant make power because they are flat though? Or does it just happen that the ones they currently make don't output big numbers? I always thought the flat engines were smoother

Is the EZ36 really bored? I know its quite different to the EZ30D in almost every way... to the point you cant use any parts of the 30 on a 36 or vice verser.

What I thought they did was they left the bore the same put went with flexible conrods to get the extra .6L

One reason it is lower on power is due to being made to run on low grade crap gas, not perium

The boxer lay out can be very strong.
Like in the above quote I said the 3.6 has flexible con rods and they are made to run on the crap gas.
Subaru wanted to increase the tourqe and power on the 3L with out increasing its size to much. So they went with flexible conrod to help.
The flexible conrods wouldnt handle any FI.

Sadly Subaru never has done a factory turbo 6.. If they had done that, it would had been alot cheaper to play with mod etc.

The boxer motor is smooth. Even really ancient flat twins from 1910 where natually smooth. You could stand a old coin up on its edge and it would stay on top of the running motor with out falling off.
I was walking past the local Subaru dealership a few years ago and they had the bonnets up on a few legacys... I stopped and looked. I didnt even realise they where running.
I put my hand on the motor and didnt feel any vibration. I only realised they were running when I looked at the spinning pulleys.

I doubt he's saying that because Porsche, RUF and Gemballa would have a lot to talk to him about.

I do side with him in that I'd prefer a V though.

IS-F has a traditional tourque converter equipped automatic whereas the GT-R has a Dual clutch manual transmission which is very different than the IS-F... but to answer your question

TO ME YES, and I'm not the only one. Many articles state that the car is souless almost to a point where all of the computers are driving you instead of the other way around.

Despite it's unquestionable supercar performance levels, in the fantasy world where I could afford one, I would never consider buying one because of the dual clutch transmission. If they offered a traditional 6 speed manual then I would be all over it. I have driven many cars with automatics and DCT's and I just don't like them.

I never said, they're not smooth. I just stated that, v engine is better option, in my opinion... but if Toyota join work w Porsche to do H6 engine, now that's different story.

Yes, it's true that they have flexible conrods to get extra Liter out of it, but also they have bore it out too (89.2mm to 92mm) also due to the flexible conrods they increase the stroke by 11mm (80mm to 91mm). iirc they change the compression to 10.5:1 instead of 10.7:1. Because of those things, EZ36D's low end tq is mucho... but don't forget, because of that high end is POS. When you're reving high up, it shake the whole car like old washing machine and don't have any tq or hp to do anything.

If you have chance to test drive current Legacy 3.6R or Tribeca check it out, I can guarantee Legacy GT is smoother.

LOL Matador, I'm a Boxer Engine Lover. If I can, I'll take boxer engine over any engine... but sadly, 6 cylinders spec and performance battle, Toyota win over Subaru... but it might of been different result for Porsche, RUF and Gemballa H6 vs Toyota v6 battle. lol

Blitz has a manual 6-speed R35 :w00t:
I will agree with you. I would prefer 3 peddles but technology is technology. And its growing everyday.



What do you guys mean by flexible connecting rods? (im to lazy to search)

But you know that BMW, Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz AMG, Porsche, & other well known companies use DCT.