Best Xenon HID kit for scion frs GT86 ?
 

Hi guys do any of you know a good solid HID xenon kit i'm looking in highest lumens range I know highest led in lumens can't compare to xenon hid lighting.
Was looking something in 12000k range , I think those give a purplish color or i'm mistaken.
I've seen these from diode dynamics don't know if they're quality stuff. I've heard many people saying some do a high pitch humming noise which is a bit unbearable.

http://www.diodedynamics.com/store/l...rsion-kit.html

Just drop any ideas.

Somehing I always confuse myself. These are only for high beams ? Do our frs have both high low in the same halogen package ?

My gf got her xenon 6000k's from http://www.xenonlightshid.com/
I put them in for her a few years ago, and they've been great. Zero problems, and the field of vision was vastly greater than her previous headlights. I just ordered some for me a few days ago. Lifetime warranty for 10 bucks too.


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just fyi:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56990

and you do not want anything higher then 8000k at an absolute maximum. 4000k is the brightest hid kit, and every shade higher adds some blue to the output which diminishes the amount of usable light, every step making the lights less usable at night and ends up looking like part of the circus ran away.

Yeah I read that too. Anything past 6000k IMO is asking for trouble. The way my gf's 6000k's look, compare pretty similar to the HIDS you'd see on a stock BMW. Higher the K, higher chance to get busted.


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I'm embarrassed by OP's post

Be nice. :)


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People never learn if you're nice though :^|

i think every k over 9k is illegal in california... i have zero evidence to support that lol. but yea visit the vendor subforums theyve got some good deals on quality over in that section

I believe the laws regarding legality was....

Every non-factory HID kit was deemed illegal....it's just the level of enforcement similar to tint.

It's all up to the officer's discretion if the officer is willing to enforce that statute.

heres my suggestion. purple headlights is a terrible idea but if you want purple up front, go with a r/b/g led halo and get a normal range HID for your lighting needs. that way you get the purple you want for show and what not and have the front still be somewhat legal and useable

Hey to all of you guys in this thread, the point of the question wasn't which Xenon HID to be used for a circus like thing :) heh
(cause of the purple tone I said). I've been trying to find some led headlights for high beams which could replace Xenon HIDS but even highest lumens from CREE leds don't achieve wide angle and distance like Xenons HID's do.
So the point of the thread was.. taking into account there are cheapo xenon HIDS which i've seen lot's of vids those lights start doing a high pitch humming noise. Do all of the kits start to humm ? , some do offer AC ballast which say give more working hours on the bulbs, so other says the ballast are shock proof. how much is true and how much is false or myth about all that.
That's my main concern. Something else do our FRS , in my case I do own a Toyota 86 FT cause i'm in argentina. Which is the base stock model from the US like the Scion FRS. going again to the question. Do xenon hids have High / Low beams or only HIGH BEAMS ?
now going back to the purplish color of the beam I said before.. was cause I thought the purple tone regarding 12000k could give a wider view angle and more distance.. When you talk about 6000k , 8000k it's just about the color of the xenons or the intensity in watts?
Tnx

My factory HID's humm on my 10 series.

my cheap ebay hid's didnt hum that much. my current expensive morimotos do hum quite loudly, maybe because i have 4 bulbs and ballasts. its not that annoying imo

hid kits do not have high low beams. hid gets high and low from a shutter within the projector. im not that familiar with the gt86's headlights but if you look, you should be able to tell if the hi/low's both go through the projectors or (in the case of the frs), only low beam is in the projector and highbeam is a seperate bulb located in the non lensed section of the headlight.

Is the humming audible in the cab? Or only from the outside?


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On most vids i've seen humming was noticeable from the outside. Hope it's not from the cabin. I understand there's AC voltage outputting from the ballasts and that might be causing the high pitched humming. But that wouldn't be accepatable with high quality ballasts.
Like top of the line Audi cars do have xenon hids installed from factory and " I think " do not have any humm.
So at last which places should I check for HID kits? (for my Toyota 86 FT) www.diodedyanmics.com ? with kits which would just swap the bulb and replacing plug and play without any modification.
Again what's the maximum watts on the xeno hids ? 6000k means the output color spectrum right?

I've only seen them with a maximum of 100 watts. Doesn't mean there aren't higher ones out there. Be careful though, because if you go too high, you're running the risk of melting and fire. 6000k is the color spectrum but anything higher and you start to lose good "seeing light"


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For me I hear it on the outside. Not audible in the cabin.

Please post pics of 12000W headlights!

Million candle power lights!


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http://www.theretrofitsource.com/hid...l#.Uu3e2n-9KK0

Most lumens you can get from these kits 4300k XB35 bulbs.. But the 5000k are almost as good. Again the XB35 bulbs..

The higher the kelvin the lower the lumen. Anything higher then 6000k and your just looking for looks, not proper lighting.. And my morimoto ballast don't make any noise, but I have came across a couple that do have a slight whine.. Nothing you could hear outside the car over the engine running..

Hey are these morimoto plug n play for the scion FRS, well in my case Toyota FT 86?. Again now I got it right so 6000K it's the whitest in color spectrum and has highest distance and visibility also wide angle view?.
I think I'll get these ones. Should I get spare bulbs? (remember I live in argentina everything here it's complicated and a friends of mine wife is coming over in next couple months).
How do these morimoto compare to the ones from diode dynamics

http://www.diodedynamics.com/store/2...rsion-kit.html

I've seen in diode dynamics website there are 2 kits another one for Low beam so I guess the kits from morimoto are only for High beam. Could you post a video of the morimoto you got installed to see how they look ? :)

and i wouldn't recommend any led headlight bulbs anyways-- all of them have really poor output because led tech doesn't output the same type of light pattern as halogen or hid bulbs.

ac ballasts are better, but they normally cost more. most kits do hum a little, it's just part of their operation. 'shock proof' is a relative term. once the ballast is mounted to the car, how much shock does it really go through? probably about as much as the drink in the cupholder, which isn't much at all..

if you have the same housings as the US scion, then you have separate high/low beams. the projector is only for low beam, and the reflector closer to the center of the car is the high beam.

the 'k' value deals with the color of the light only. it is referencing the kelvin color scale.

just the first part of wikipedia covers that
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature"]Color temperature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


this is roughly what the different k-colors look like(roughly because this is a photo-chopped image to simulate the colors)
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/r...t-WithInfo.jpg
original image here

it is also important to reference the human eye color chart here-- during the day, the human eye is most sensitive to reds/yellows, and at night, that response shifts somewhat to green. at no point is blue a dominant color to the eye, so increasing the blue output of the headlights only makes it harder for you to see what the headlights are lighting up.

http://www.sunmastergrowlamps.com/im...esponse_02.jpg

as far as wattage goes, i wouldn't get any kit over 35 watts. 50 watt and 100 watt kits trade a shortened bulb life for brighter output, and also put more light directly in front of the car, which decreases your night vision, and makes it harder for you to see objects just outside of the range of the headlights, which will make you feel better, but will make obstructions seem to pop out of nowhere much faster.

any reason to get relay kit for this car? Is wiring suck like Honda's? pulling trigger on
http://www.xenonlightshid.com/
or
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004ZF4RAK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3GVO71WD MGEMM"]Kensun HID Xenon Conversion Kit "All Bulb Sizes and Colors" with "Slim" Digital Ballasts - H1 - 6000k - 2 Year Warranty : Amazon.com : Automotive[/ame]
leaning towards the first one due to lifetime warranty option for $100.
Opinions?

That kit is a PnP for the highs, 4300 is suppose to be closest to "natural daylight" I prefer to run 5000k as I like a pure white light, 6000k starts to get a blue tinge.. Hid in high beam housings are not really recommended, as they take time to warm up, so your flash to pass or just flashing in general is useless, and some aftermarket kits can take 10 secs or more to warm up..


The diode dynamics are great also, I'm a supplier of both and you can't go wrong with either.. For the best light output a retrofit of a bi-xenon projector will give you the best results..


Something like this

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/com...-frs-2012.html

It will turn your regular projector in to one that had both high and low function.. Also remember running a hid bulb in a regular reflector housing like the high beam in our cars throws so much glare on the road in front of you that our eyes do not dialate enough to have proper night vision to see far away, so while it may have more light and everything is brighter, it doesn't mean you'll be able to see as good at far distances

^^^ gixxer gave me advice when i was thinking about going hid. his advice is always good

only on the outside. and not too bad in open space. but impossible not to notice in small spaces like a garage

First I can show you links in PM where you can get that kit for like 15$

Second, I always run HD relays.. I've personally never seen a issue running off the OEM wiring, but the added safety, cheap price and ease of install make it worth it..

But I wouldn't say you HAVE to have it, just highly recommend it

which kit? PM please

I'd run these.. Their customer service is awesome and they stand behind their products.. Also don't buy the whole lifetime warranty on hid kits, if ordered in enough bulk, you can buy them for dollars, and they just send a new crappy kit or part because it would take many many returns before the would even break even..

IF YOU CAN GET AHOLD OF THEM

Which would you run?

Sorry, forgot the link.. PMing you with the cheap hid kits

http://www.diodedynamics.com/store/l...rsion-kit.html

Lol, I post that up and my PM blows up with people wanting cheap ass kits.. I guess I should've put on their THEY ARE GARBAGE lol..

lol yeah I by no means was saying "give me link to $15 kit so i can buy now!!!!!!!!!". thanks for all the info. The link to the "lifetime warranty" at xenonlightshid.com says they use Phillips bulbs but beyond that who knows. Kensun Amazon kits seem good to me as customer support is great but no mention of their ballast brand.

http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/show...ips-Bulb-Guide

I can't find the link to a article, but it's been put out there over 80% of Phillips bulbs are fake..

Hi thanks so much for your complete response.I think you're right. HIgh and low beams run on a different housing. I think the little projector has the low beam that you can regulate the height with the knob on the inside.
So the High Beams are like you said on the said of it.. and do not have any projector, What's the disadvantage of not placing the bulbs inside a projector ?. So going back to what you've said if I replace the High beam hids with a normal xenon bulb not bixenon. This would cause trouble?
Like when i'm in the road.. light won't be sent properly directed in angle and distance?. when you gave me that link with a projector for a bixenon with the projector that would mean the low beam projector would be canceled? not used at all. ? Was thinking in going with the morimoto first link. Then going to installation I've never installed HIDS on any car, but I've installed audio amp on my previous car and I do have some technical background on electronics. Is that difficult ? What's that canbus thing.. on the morimoto
So from all the links I have from

- Diode Dynamics
http://www.diodedynamics.com/store/l...rsion-kit.html

- Morimoto This one its high beam without projector right? Is it convenient to buy additional spare bulbs? What about the installation relay going to positive from battery needed? Is there a version of this one with a projector?

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/hid...l#.Uu5k1bSiEdV

- Kensun (what about these ones are they a generic brand, only high beam? ) AC ballast? do humm ?

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004ZF4RAK/"]Kensun HID Xenon Conversion Kit "All Bulb Sizes and Colors" with "Slim" Digital Ballasts - H1 - 6000k - 2 Year Warranty : Amazon.com : Automotive[/ame]

- Morimoto Bixenon
http://www.theretrofitsource.com/com...-frs-2012.html

Finally yep I do want pure white light. That would be 5300k ?

Tnx


Forgot: Regarding LED I think I will place leds for the DRL lights only. They're only useful there. What led bulbs do you recommend for DRL CREE ones? any links. I also wanted to add that square led thing like subaru has , is that possible to do with our stock optics?. Awp also do you know any palce to buy the side view mirrors with lightning like the ones offered from diode dynamics but way more cheaper.. cause those ones are expensive .

if you're looking to get more out of the high beam, i would recommend looking into HIR bulbs for that instead of using hid bulbs because of the warmup time. and because i use flash-to-pass a lot, and flashing hid's is detrimental to their lifespan.

hmm again I'm lost here. what do you mean by HIR bulbs instead of HID. ?

here's some info on them. basically it's still a halogen bulb, but it's brighter.

http://hirheadlights.com/

That sounds cool, but do they illuminate more than xenon hids on the road in distance and angle or it's the same as a normal halogen bulb? Got any vids to see any comparison from a xenon with this HIR ?