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CyberFormula 04-24-2010 06:58 AM

What is the most capable off road Truck/SuV?
 
What is the most capable Truck/SUV for races like BAJA or Dakar?

Winner for the recent Dakar was a whole different car than the Production VW Toureg.

Just curious which production vehicle you would get in order to start a project for a race such as BAJA or Dakar?

Just got interested in the topic because I was viewing the Ford F150 SVT Raptor recently and saw how "prepared" it came from factor. I could literally puta cage, bucket, harness in that truck and start doing some off road competition

Matador 04-24-2010 10:13 AM

-Toyota Land Cruiser/Nissan Patrol
-Toyota Hilux/ Nissan Navara (Frontier)

I'd give an FJ, 4Runner & Defender a crack at it to.

The Raptor is on a whole other level.... it's specifically prepared for that... sorta like a Porsche GT3 RS for off-roading.

Midship Runabout 04-24-2010 02:22 PM

Saw a white raptor yesterday. They look so good and are pure beasts. I didnt think i would ever say that about a ford. :bellyroll:

Also a ranger might be a good starting place :iono:

NESW20 04-24-2010 05:22 PM

for desert racing, sure a raptor is a great factory truck. i'd probably rather build a tacoma with a nice long travel suspension though...

for any other kind of off roading, i'll take a land cruiser, you know, the ones with the factory front and rear lockers. :D

-Mike

4agze 04-25-2010 07:30 PM

I'll take a Hummer H1 diesel, but modified with better suspension, lifted, better lsd, carbonfiber body panels to make it lighter and better gear ratio.

Matador 04-26-2010 12:57 AM

http://upload.moldova.org/auto/Toyot..._Series_AU.jpg

Still in production of the Oz market bishes.

RRnold 04-26-2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberFormula (Post 14330)
What is the most capable Truck/SUV for races like BAJA or Dakar?

Winner for the recent Dakar was a whole different car than the Production VW Toureg.

Just curious which production vehicle you would get in order to start a project for a race such as BAJA or Dakar?

Just got interested in the topic because I was viewing the Ford F150 SVT Raptor recently and saw how "prepared" it came from factor. I could literally puta cage, bucket, harness in that truck and start doing some off road competition

It all boils down to how much $ because you make any SUV or Truck a contender.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/au...g_dakar_02.jpg
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/au...g_dakar_03.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 14344)
for desert racing, sure a raptor is a great factory truck. i'd probably rather build a tacoma with a nice long travel suspension though...

for any other kind of off roading, i'll take a land cruiser, you know, the ones with the factory front and rear lockers. :D

-Mike

Why can't Toyota bring back the solid axle front... :bow: That is what made their trucks and the 4 runner the best off roader.

SAS and Long travel setup... forget about it! :party0030:

http://image.automotive.com/f/featur...4+on_trail.jpg

4agze 04-26-2010 02:40 PM

I remember this topic back then on another forum will a trophy baja truck win in a dakar rally? I say no cuz, baja tucks only run a day or 2 but a dakar trucks run for a week on desert, mountain and other different terrain.

NESW20 04-26-2010 02:40 PM

absolutely! Demello does some damn nice work.

i was talking long-travel strictly for desert racing. any other kind of off roading and i'll gladly take solid axles, front and rear. portals, actually. :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_axle

-Mike

RRnold 04-26-2010 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 14410)
I remember this topic back then on another forum will a trophy baja truck win in a dakar rally? I say no cuz, baja tucks only run a day or 2 but a dakar trucks run for a week on desert, mountain and other different terrain.

That's apples and oranges. Some of the stages of the Dakar will cover the cover the entire length of a Baja 500 and with more extreme conditions/terrain. I'm sure a trophy truck can run/compete in a Dakar, it just has to have the necessary adjustments for that race.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 14411)
absolutely! Demello does some damn nice work.

i was talking long-travel strictly for desert racing. any other kind of off roading and i'll gladly take solid axles, front and rear. portals, actually. :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_axle

-Mike

Jason is a cool dude. He welded my rock sliders at his shop is located in Corona which is in between Los Angeles/Riverside county and Temecula. Also Icon/Donahoe shop is also right down the street from Demello.

Matador 04-26-2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 14407)
It all boils down to how much $ because you make any SUV or Truck a contender.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/au...g_dakar_02.jpg
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/au...g_dakar_03.jpg



Why can't Toyota bring back the solid axle front... :bow: That is what made their trucks and the 4 runner the best off roader.

SAS and Long travel setup... forget about it! :party0030:

http://image.automotive.com/f/featur...4+on_trail.jpg


Well
A) OP did say off the showroom floor

and

b) Solid axle front isn't coming back, because he vehicles they make are amazingly capable as it is, event with independent suspension up front., but mainly because nobody really uses them to go offroad anymore.


Also, as I already mentioned, the 70 series is still in production in OZ and IIRC that still comes with a solid front.

Dark 04-26-2010 04:48 PM

I would say Toyota Hilux(Thai version not included) and Toyota LC/LX.

4agze 04-26-2010 05:04 PM

but for me the ultimate SUV toy is the Range Rover Bowler Nemesis its like a SVT Raptor ina SUV form

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...8deef2f23c.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...Nemesis-03.jpg

Midship Runabout 04-26-2010 07:39 PM

^ that actually looks kind of cool. Very RC-ish.

RRnold 04-26-2010 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 14419)
Well
A) OP did say off the showroom floor

and

b) Solid axle front isn't coming back, because he vehicles they make are amazingly capable as it is, event with independent suspension up front., but mainly because nobody really uses them to go offroad anymore.


Also, as I already mentioned, the 70 series is still in production in OZ and IIRC that still comes with a solid front.

Chevy plans to take a stab at the Dakar too. B/c it's in Europe, you'll find some cars not found in most of the world. You can run anything, it just depends on your resources and how deep your pockets are. You won't go too far with a oem vehicle, that's for sure!

Here is a Frontier getting some air! :party0030:
http://www.ananzimotoring.co.za/imag...1564_thumb.jpg
http://www.ananzimotoring.co.za/imag...8067_thumb.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 14423)
but for me the ultimate SUV toy is the Range Rover Bowler Nemesis its like a SVT Raptor ina SUV form

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...8deef2f23c.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...Nemesis-03.jpg

That thing is sick!!

Matador 04-27-2010 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 14423)
but for me the ultimate SUV toy is the Range Rover Bowler Nemesis its like a SVT Raptor ina SUV form

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...8deef2f23c.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...Nemesis-03.jpg


Man, I'd forgotten about that. Awesome ride :party0030:

NESW20 04-27-2010 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bickel (Post 14451)
Actually roads are those one better they have grip, whenever we drive car , truck , bikes on the road but vehicle are not dis balance . I mean road should have grip when we drive car so tier are not skates and not should be jumping then will possible accident chances less.

WHAT???

4agze 04-27-2010 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 14458)
WHAT???

:iono: first post already failed WTF

Midship Runabout 04-27-2010 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 14458)
WHAT???

x7

RRnold 04-27-2010 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bickel (Post 14451)
Actually roads are those one better they have grip, whenever we drive car , truck , bikes on the road but vehicle are not dis balance . I mean road should have grip when we drive car so tier are not skates and not should be jumping then will possible accident chances less.




Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 14458)
WHAT???

Why does this guy sound like Yoda!! :bellyroll:

Matador 04-27-2010 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 14458)
WHAT???


http://www.mtv.com/news/photos/v/vma...bmi_liljon.jpg

Siriusly.Andrew 04-27-2010 10:48 PM

LMAO!


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