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scar5124 01-26-2014 07:57 PM

vortech supercharger
 
ive been looking into superchargers and the vortech supercharger has caught my attention. i was just wondering if it is worth it? and what people think of the system.

chiefshayan 01-26-2014 08:01 PM

Depends what your goals are. MOST people that I've seen on this forum get around 250whp with the kit on pump gas. For around 5k it matches in price with a lot of the base turbo kits and comes down to what the user wants.

Personally I think our FA20 engines have more potential with the turbo route, but if it's your daily driver and you cannot stand turbo lag, then the SC is a viable option.

OmarGC 01-26-2014 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefshayan (Post 1481483)
Depends what your goals are. MOST people that I've seen on this forum get around 250whp with the kit on pump gas. For around 5k it matches in price with a lot of the base turbo kits and comes down to what the user wants.

Personally I think our FA20 engines have more potential with the turbo route, but if it's your daily driver and you cannot stand turbo lag, then the SC is a viable option.


Kit starts at $3900ish FYI

chiefshayan 01-26-2014 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OmarGC (Post 1481505)
Kit starts at $3900ish FYI

That's without a tune or MAP sensor. Full kit is $5600. It's also smart to buy a header if you want to see any decent gains which can range from 500-1500 USD.

scar5124 01-26-2014 09:01 PM

It isn't my daily driver and I don't mind turbo lag. My goal is to get 300 whp which I heard is possible with a fuel pump, exhaust, e85 tune and injectors.

Chen 01-26-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OmarGC (Post 1481505)
Kit starts at $3900ish FYI

From vendors on here? Ive seen them around 4200ish

chiefshayan 01-26-2014 09:22 PM

300whp with a turbo/SC on e85 with proper tuning is very easy to hit. Anything above 350-400whp+ the turbo starts to become the better FI route IMO

dabocx 01-26-2014 09:34 PM

If you have easy acess to e85 the smaller pulley and a good header you could see 300whp+. At the phastek dyno meet a guy did 320ish on the stock pulley on e85. With the smaller pulley he would of gotten another 10-20.

Nasty Sausage 01-26-2014 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefshayan (Post 1481518)
That's without a tune or MAP sensor. Full kit is $5600. It's also smart to buy a header if you want to see any decent gains which can range from 500-1500 USD.

Listen to the kimosabe. Along with the quoted 5.6k minimum, you would likely want to improve brakes, suspension, and get a new set of wheels and tires, which is probably another 4k if done properly to handle the almost double whp. For me the answer is no.

Have you considered maxing out your skill on the existing platform at autox and going from there?

OmarGC 01-26-2014 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chen (Post 1481618)
From vendors on here? Ive seen them around 4200ish

http://www.frsmod.com/products/vorte...t-for-fr-s-brz

You can get it for even less if you contact people. Just sayin'

OmarGC 01-26-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nasty Sausage (Post 1481648)
Listen to the kimosabe. Along with the quoted 5.6k minimum

I wish I had money money to just blow and not price things/speak to people... Lol because you can get the kit, install it yourself, map sensor, with ecutek tuned less than 5k.

To the original poster, I can give you a contact if you want to buy the kit with ecutek license/cable, injectors, fuel pump, map sensor, and upgraded pulley kit for $5000 shipped.

You guys are out your minds.

OmarGC 01-26-2014 09:46 PM

Also said contact is an authorized/possibly biggest vendor on site.

Chen 01-26-2014 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OmarGC (Post 1481651)
http://www.frsmod.com/products/vorte...t-for-fr-s-brz

You can get it for even less if you contact people. Just sayin'

Wtf.. I talked to vendors on here and they are letting them go for 4200.

OmarGC 01-26-2014 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chen (Post 1481684)
Wtf.. I talked to vendors on here and they are letting them go for 4200.

Frsmod is a vendor on here or at least used to be, pretty sure they still are...(dynosty). Also, keep in mind everyone likes to make a better living quicker then the next person.

chiefshayan 01-26-2014 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OmarGC (Post 1481699)
Frsmod is a vendor on here or at least used to be, pretty sure they still are...(dynosty). Also, keep in mind everyone likes to make a better living quicker then the next person.

I do agree with that. But we aren't out of our minds, not all of us are car gods like you. But if OP can get that package for 5k shipped then that's a deal!

protpibe 01-26-2014 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by scar5124 (Post 1481474)
ive been looking into superchargers and the vortech supercharger has caught my attention. i was just wondering if it is worth it? and what people think of the system.

Here's a comparison of the big superchargers on the market:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55705

and here's a question/answer thread started by Vortech

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27374

Hope that helps!

utekineir 01-26-2014 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chen (Post 1481684)
Wtf.. I talked to vendors on here and they are letting them go for 4200.

There is one with a 10% off coupon atm for following on twitter the announcement part of marketplace section

Had vortech kit in cart for a shade over $3500

Chen 01-26-2014 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by utekineir (Post 1481919)
There is one with a 10% off coupon atm for following on twitter in announcement part of marketplace section

Had vortech kit in cart for a shade over $3500

I may have to ask you for that coupon code if I ever decide to pull the trigger on this kit? You know it requires any cutting or anything to install this kit?

nelsmar 01-26-2014 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmarGC (Post 1481657)
I wish I had money money to just blow and not price things/speak to people... Lol because you can get the kit, install it yourself, map sensor, with ecutek tuned less than 5k.

To the original poster, I can give you a contact if you want to buy the kit with ecutek license/cable, injectors, fuel pump, map sensor, and upgraded pulley kit for $5000 shipped.

You guys are out your minds.

Hell I can give him all that for say 3,800 shipped used... Freshly rebuilt blower... Wait I don't feel like shipping it. FML.

And to OP, I made 360WHP with a bad tune on E85. 300WHP is no problem on a vortech. I did this with a stock exhaust & header.

utekineir 01-26-2014 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chen (Post 1481922)
I may have to ask you for that coupon code if I ever decide to pull the trigger on this kit? You know it requires any cutting or anything to install this kit?

I pointed out where and how to get it.

Would you like me to help you pee too?

Chen 01-26-2014 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by utekineir (Post 1481928)
I pointed out where and how to get it.

Would you like me to help you pee too?

I don't have a twitter... Regardless I just asked a question. No reason to be a smart ass bout it.

utekineir 01-27-2014 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chen (Post 1481939)
I don't have a twitter... Regardless I just asked a question. No reason to be a smart ass bout it.

I don't use it either,

But it's incredibly easy to create an account on and is worth making one just to follow businesses for coupons, discounts etc, even my Amex provides cash back for a few keystrokes. No harder than signing up for a forum account.

If you can't be bothered to spend 2 minutes to help yourself then why should I?

Everyone is looking for a deal but nobody is actually willing to do the legwork to find one.

Chen 01-27-2014 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by utekineir (Post 1481957)
I don't use it either,

But it's incredibly easy to create an account on and is worth making one just to follow businesses for coupons, discounts etc, even my Amex provides cash back for a few keystrokes. No harder than signing up for a forum account.

If you can't be bothered to spend 2 minutes to help yourself then why should I?

Everyone is looking for a deal but nobody is actually willing to do the legwork to find one.

No reason for this to flood this topic with our bickering. So let's just forget I asked.

tendogy 01-27-2014 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chen (Post 1481922)
You know it requires any cutting or anything to install this kit?

Back on topic... the Vortech kit does not require you to decimate your front crash beam, no. It does require you to grind down an aluminum nub on the stock alternator bracket.

It also requires you to remove your OEM washer fluid reservoir and piece together a replacement. A number of people have struggled during installation to keep the replacement from leaking.

If a simple installation is a top priority for you, check out Jackson. Their kit is ugly as sin, but that's because they require zero drilling, tapping, grinding, or replacing of OEM parts.

Brian@Vortech 01-27-2014 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chen (Post 1481922)
You know it requires any cutting or anything to install this kit?

Most people will tell you the most difficult part of the install is drilling the bumper beam for the intercooler mounting. It does require a decently high powered drill and good drill bits, as the bumper beam is strong, solid steel. Other than that, it should be as easy or easier than every other system out there. We list 6 hours on the install. Some people have done it in less, some people have taken longer. If you would like, you can preview the entire installation manual HERE.

If you have any other questions, I would be happy to answer them. In addition, many of the enthusiasts on here running Vortech systems are extremely knowledgeable as well, and quick to help out when needed. (Thanks guys!) :thumbsup:

Philly758 01-27-2014 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tendogy (Post 1482023)
Back on topic... the Vortech kit does not require you to decimate your front crash beam, no. It does require you to grind down an aluminum nub on the stock alternator bracket.

It also requires you to remove your OEM washer fluid reservoir and piece together a replacement. A number of people have struggled during installation to keep the replacement from leaking.

If a simple installation is a top priority for you, check out Jackson. Their kit is ugly as sin, but that's because they require zero drilling, tapping, grinding, or replacing of OEM parts.

Grinding the nub down is easy enough on for the alternator bracket, but I still dont understand why the bracket wasn't just CNC'd around the nub to begin with. Also, not that I plan on reverting to stock and fooling anyone, but it's now easy to tell that a Vortech supercharger was installed on my engine.

At times I wish I went with the Innovate kit which looks like a painless afternoon install with no . But I think the performance and proper intercooled setup you get with the Vortech is worth the difference in price and time required to install. I have been doing the install 100% by myself and taking my time to make sure it is all perfect, as a result I probably have about 8-10 hrs invested with about 2-4 hrs left to put the whole thing back together (doesnt help that the garage I'm working in is freezing!). An extra hand will go a long way with this install.

WKM Houston 01-27-2014 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabocx (Post 1481642)
If you have easy acess to e85 the smaller pulley and a good header you could see 300whp+. At the phastek dyno meet a guy did 320ish on the stock pulley on e85. With the smaller pulley he would of gotten another 10-20.

After swapping to the 3.12 pulley, I got 346 whp and 246trq on the Phastek dyno. Still on the stock clutch, the supercharger is more forgiving on the drivetrain than the turbo!

DJCarbine 01-27-2014 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WKM Houston (Post 1483354)
After swapping to the 3.12 pulley, I got 346 whp and 246trq on the Phastek dyno. Still on the stock clutch, the supercharger is more forgiving on the drivetrain than the turbo!

Got any numbers on 91/93 octane? I'm curious to see what I may be pushing (3.125" pulley)


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