86 vs 15 Golf R ?
 

So, I have been following the STI for a while. Until Detroit reveal.

I heard people said they would pick Golf R over STI.

So I went ahead and check it out.....

It is freaking awesome

So why don't we have this thread already ?

I too am interested in the Golf R. I have always been a fan of the GTI's and Golf R32. Any news or pics? I'm lazy to do a search.

Looks way too plain for a Golf R. Don't know what VW is thinking. This car is probably going to be priced around $35k. But it looks pretty damn similar to it's regular Golf.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...golf-r-review/

http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/u...-R-640x426.jpg

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my r32 was good times :)

not a fan of the new R's. VR6 4 LYFE.

That is the image of a sleeper. I would still pick Golf R over the STI with the Humongus Rice wing, which only work over 100MPH.

Especially if Golf R come with a 5 doors

GTI is a much better value...

But Fail Wheel Drive....................

As a daily driver for the $7k you save who gives a fuck. Besides a little more power and AWD nothing else in that car matters over the GTI

A lot of people would give a fuck obviously.

You can save 7K for STi with FWD. EVO with FWD.

who gives a fuck, huh? Get real.

No there aren't. The R makes nothing for VW while the GTI has been a category winner in the car world for 30 years. And the STI and R are a badge of honor more than value. you can make the lesser just as good for less. You get real.

Realistically, the GTI has gotten SO good that it does somewhat step on the toes on the current Golf R. The way the mk6 pricing was, you essentially were paying ~10k for AWD.

The new Golf R, maybe not so much, with the pretty significant increase in power.

Rewind back to the original R32. It was very distinguishable from a GTI, even from someone who knew nothing about VW's or car. The mk5, a little less so.

Mk6 R and Mk6 GTI - you could barely separate the two, minus the badge/wheels. MK7 R just screams blah to me. So boring, so subtle. meh.

My subjective opinion anyway.

The Golf R interior is in a different league to the STI or EVO, in fact a GTI's is in a different league... but i think comparing the Golf r to the STI is comparing apples and oranges, i'm sure on paper they are similar but they will inevitably drive very different. If i was going to track the car it would have to be an sti, but as something that is quick and will never see a track the golf r is a very good buy...

It's probably tops for a daily driver, but it's a more complex FWD biased AWD system that pushes the curb weight to about 225 kilos more than the GT86 and gets 19/27 in mileage if you have to compare. I really like how the Golf R shed about 45 kilos from its predecessor. I think that people shouldn't have to substantiate things like, "Why did you buy X over Y or Z?" The proper answer is, "Because I like it."

Oh, now we are talking about value and positioning strategy of VW. :lol:

Do you own a GTI? Why are you getting so upset about FWD being Fail Wheel Drive?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of pocket rocket hatches. I owned a tuned MS3 for 4 years. When I shopping for my MS3, I cross-shopped it with GTi and MiniS. I modified my MS3 to the point where it was beating lightly modded EVO/STi in the drag race. But, no matter how you put it to sugarcoat it, a Fail Wheel Drive is a Fail Wheel Drive.

If you like it, alright. But don't get to so defensive about it.

I've been eyeing on switching up my daily driver with a newer model AWD cars. Since Subaru has disappointed the enthusiasts with the new STi with the same old EJ motor, I've turned my attention toward the mentioned Golf R. Since it hasn't been released, I will hold off my final judgement, but on paper, it does look very promising.

You're the 1 being offensive about , I couldn't give 2 shits what wheels drive my car as long as I have steering feel and good handling (for my needs, which is a street car). A GTI with $1000 (stage 2) in it is just as fast in a straight line as an R. If you're just about straight line speed there's your value. And unless your legitimately drag racing from a dig I don't really see why AWD is so crucial in this argument

No, I don't give a monkey crap about the straightline performance. We are on 86 forum and we all own a type of 86, aren't we? I'm talking about the handling of these cars. Sure, it's pretty good, but once you start modding the car, it's not as rewarding as RWD/AWD.

And I'm fully aware of GTI upgrades. My other car is 2010 A4 Avant.

Fine. I've never driven an STI or Evo but I have driven a 363whp DSG GTI with suspension mods and I must say that was completely satisfying. I probably should dive into Japanese AWD, I'm not bashing them AT ALL, all I was saying is that there is some serious value in the GTI for the much cheaper price tag. Peace bro.

hey don't be so serious bro.

The party is over kid. Go home. ;)

Lol please. Big boy on the internet has to show up everyone. are you gonna be the new fatoni? the new gem? this'll be fun.

its fine if you dont like me, but please dont go out of your way to talk shit in a thread im not even involved in.

Oh so he was talking about you? Lol I thought he was talking out of his ass.

So Celica00 is that type of guy on the forum. I see. Alright.

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There will be almost an 80hp difference between the MK7 GTI and R. That's more than just "a little" imo. The power difference between the MK6 GTI and R wasn't as big (200hp vs. 256hp).

$35k is way too much money for a Golf IMHO, no matter how you tart it up. I'd rather get an old MkIV R32... better-looking, same concept, just as practical, way less money.

Or used 5-door STI-- again, practical and fast, but also better looking and with a real AWD system.

This country really needs the M135i :(

its called adaptation. 2 years ago, people were nice and friendly and helpful. but more and more people like you decided to buy this car and ruin what class was to be had. troll wars ensue and now we are where we are. I apologize for being dragged into it but when you start shit, I unfortunately feel the need to defend myself. whats done is done. lets just stick to the cars.

How much were those old mkiv r32s? Don't remember.

But yeah the previous R32s had some godly exhaust notes.

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Dunno how much they were, but you can get them for $15k now.

Maybe I just have a soft spot for MkIVs, but I'd much rather have something like this:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...51882722&Log=0

and almost twenty grand in my pocket than a new Golf R. I mean think about it-- at $35k plus taxes, dealer fees, and registration for the new R, you could almost have a MkIV R32 as your DD and a Lotus Elise for the weekends for the same price. You could definitely have the MkIV plus an old Boxster for weekends, plus money leftover to use for maintenance (which you'd need, since *german cars*). Or you could have a brand new, boring-ass Golf R. I know which garage I'd rather have...

Idk-- generally I don't think there are many cars out there today that are worth buying new (and most of them aren't worth buying at all). I made an exception for the BRZ simply because I couldn't be bothered to wait another year to jump into something RWD and there weren't many good used-car options that upstaged the BRZ in terms of value for money within the "small, light, RWD, semi-practical car" niche. The Golf R doesn't even inhabit that niche in the first place though, so it has lots of competitors in the used market.

That's understandable. Different strokes for different folks. :)

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Yeah the mk6 was a ripoff imo. The 7 just looks bland too. Idk, ever since they dropped the 3.2 I havnt really cared for it. Why they can't just drop a turbo on top of that engine, tune it for efficiency (can't be worse than the mk6 4cyl efficiency), and make AWD optional makes my head spin.

I agree with some of the other sentiments that the upcoming Golf R is rather bland looking. It would have been nice if VW would have been more aggressive in terms of styling. But there is no denying that they have made significant improvement with regards to power, and supposedly handling is better as well.

I will definitely drive one when they are available, but I do know AWD system in the R is much different than say the AWD system in the WRX. The R is mostly a FWD car and will apply power to the rear wheels only when the front wheels are slipping.

I also don't think many people shopping for a $25-27K FRS/BRZ are going to spend $10K+ more for a Golf R. They are in different price points.

I actually like FWD, it is a challenging layout to drive on a track and it certainly has its very unique driving techniques same as rwd and awd !

P.S : but I wouldn't buy a vw no matter the model XD !

not a fan of the new R. I would rather the model before. It was a hard choice between the Golf R32 (09 DSG) or the 86 but although the R32 is so sick, its unnecessary power and i guess 86 is more reliable, I get a warranty and i can spend 5 grand on the car easy where with the golf i wouldn't touch it...(i wanna spend the 5 grand making it insane)...although i have ordered the 86, i am trying to sell my dads F150 Raptor (imported to australia and converted RHD) for an R32 so i get the best of both worlds. 86 during the week and R32 on weekends? Yes please :-)

Golf R in america is only coming as a 5 door.

I like the GTI and Golf R. Test drove both one day. Golf R has better handling out the door and great handling overall, but the price is awfully high. The interiors are fantastic for hot hatches. That said, the FR-S is a much more fun car with stability control that can be mostly disabled for the track.

That is Awesome. I have never interested in VW vehicles before, I am so curious now. How is their reliability ? are they worth buying New ?

Why? VW is poor man's luxury...they are very nice vehicles for the price.

GTI definitely has the best interior quality under $30k hot hatches. That's for sure.

Vw reliability is mixed. They have a better reputation in Europe than the US. The golf r is made in Europe, not Mexico like the gti usually is.