Alfa 4-C and Cayman compared to GT86
 

So, I put this in the wrong place earlier (I am prone to bouts of dumbass). Thought you guys would enjoy it.

While the video is more about the new Alfa Romeo 4-C (which is a gorgeous looking car) the folks at AutoCar see how it stacks up against the Cayman and the GT86. Makes me feel good to see the twins are now the standard by which sports cars are being measured.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-WkHBUFN4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-WkHBUFN4[/ame]

Love this car. Mini exotic

I sat in the 4-C at my local dealer. It really feels like sitting in the FRs, just bigger. Love the car.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...6&l=f161e1bacf

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...3&l=24c251f71d

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...9&l=d347daef18

That's an 8C Competizone...$250K+ car vs. the $60K 4C

Very different cars SSchifko, but thanks for posting that 8C. Absolutely gorgeous design IMO.

Nick C.

That's an 8c actually but still amazing you got to sit in one of those, they are super rare. I think only 500 made.

I've only seen 1 in person, they are incredible looking cars

Nick C.

Still need to see the 4c in person and hopefully drive it this summer.

The Scion certainly isn't the standard to measure sports cars. It doesn't even have an independent rear suspension.


Under steer is easy to fix.


I'd much rather go around a track with the 4C

What do you mean it doesn't have an independent rear suspension?

To everyone that said its an 8C, please look again because it deffinitely is a 4C lol....

4:30 "Something tells me he's having a little bit more fun than I am...I want to be in that car!"

it is definitely a 8C.

Durp. You are right. My pics are 8C. Ill see if I can get some of the 4C.
Glad to see more affordable sports cars these days.

da fuk?

Wat?

Definitely a nice car but no manual trans = no thanks.

Im going to have to apologize here... I did not realize everyone was saying the facebook pictures were an 8C which it is, I thought you guys were saying the 4C in the video was an 8C. :bonk: :bonk:

Why the hell are you even on this forum?

You even have a profile pic of alfa. :lol:

Video: Alfa Romeo 4C vs Porsche Cayman vs Toyota GT86
 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-WkHBUFN4"]Alfa Romeo 4C vs Porsche Cayman vs Toyota GT86 / Scion FT86 - sportscar shootout - YouTube[/ame]


I saw this video was posted by @TIE Pilot here but I'm posting in this section so people don't miss it.

Uh this is a report...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1461386

Sort of like how the 86 isn't the fastest car out there yet we all love it for different reasons, I know the Alfa may not be the most complete car but I love it for different reasons. Number one being that it's an Alfa destined for the U.S. Number two being that it's got a carbon fiber chassis in a car costing under $100k. Number three is the sub-2 liter engine that's turbocharged. Number four is the manual steering. Maybe I'll pick one up in 2015 if there's any left!

That's why I bought the Subaru! :bonk: :bellyroll:

No independent rear? What are you talking about? Do you even know what an independent rear suspension is? Because I'm pretty sure you don't if you think think the Ft-86 has a solid rear axle.

I love Alfa.

Lmao!! Let me give you a hammer so you can hit yourself in the head with it! :bonk:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnuNv77rB0Q"]Alfa Romeo 4C First Drive, Road and Track. -- /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube[/ame]

lol Chris Harris seems to have no problem drifiting the 4c.

Corvette owner, miff'd he doesn't have independent suspension...

Corvettes have independent suspension (as does the FRS/BRZ)...

:lol:They Look pretty independent to me!!


I like how Toyota/Subaru placed their suspension: Macs up front and Doubles in the rear.



http://static.ed.edmunds-media.com/u...larm_prf_a.jpg


VS.

Doubles up front and Macs in the rear.

Oh sorry... In Alfa-Speak they're "Enhanced MacPherson struts".

http://cdn.autoweek.com/galleryimage...y.jpg&MaxW=630

If price wasn't an option, I'd rather have the Alfa Romeo over my FR-S all day long. I love manual transmissions, but I've used paddle shifters before and would not be upset to lose the manual for 550 less lbs and 100 more ft/lbs of torque.

I'm talking about the older gens the C4/c5. the C6/c7 most likely do, pretty sure the C4/5 had inverted leaf springs

The C7 still has inverted leaf springs (along with double wishbones and magnetorheologic dampers), and that doesn't change the fact that the suspension is independent. In fact, from what I can find, the corvette went to independent rear suspension with the C2 generation in 1963. Independent suspension just means that there is no solid axle, and the geometry is such that moving one wheel doesn't change the orientation or position of the other. The type of spring and damping used (and even the details of the linkage) are irrelevant to whether or not the suspension is independent, and actually, there are good reasons why the inverted composite leaf spring as it is used in the Corvette is actually superior to coilovers in many ways.

Interestingly, from what I can find, the Cayman has MacPherson struts on all 4 corners - no double wishbone to be found anywhere (which is yet more proof that what really matters is how the suspension works together with the chassis, and how it is set up, and you can't just say that one design will always be superior)

God damnit, every single time I hear a Porsche flat six I can't help but hate myself a little bit for not buying something that contains one. That fucking sound! Seriously what does Porsche do to make their engines sound so damn good-- even the 912's flat-four sounds so much hornier than ours...

i think the macs just end up where the engine is for packaging purposes. for what its worth i also think they get a different name in the rear for no real reason.
i wish people would understand this rather than throwing out the impossible "all else equal" clause you see in the matters of not only mac sruts to double wishbones but in the live axle comparison or in the wheels a car is driven by or any other host of stupid reasons people write off a car without any firsthand experience.

I know dude, that was the point of the post, well that the fact that the suspension design of the FRS really is damn good. :bellyroll:
The concept of Ceteris Paribus exists for a damn good reason and dismissing it is rather foolish.

i think their called a chapman strut or something specifically.

maybe its in its misuse due to a myopic viewpoint. the problem with all else equal is that things are never equal. the most often use of that argument here is that rwd vs fwd case. people always say "all else equal" when they mean "when you take away all the fwd advantages." fwd can be more compact, it puts more power to the wheels and its lighter. those advantages are never discussed under the guise of "all else being equal." its just a matter of people valuing theoretical ideals over real world applications. i guess thats the internet for you.

Richard Hammond tested the 4c in a recent TG episode and it is possibly the few segments I keep watching over and over again. The reason is that my BRZL is also red and their red 4c have so much similarities. I don't know about the twice-as-much cost to buy plus possibly thrice-as-much cost to maintain though.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/r...-4c-2013-11-28
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/a...n-uk-2013-1-16

FD RX7's have the Mac in the rear and double wishbone in the front like the alfa, and that's not mid engine obviously.

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With the Cayman, I know at least part of the reason for using the macs in the rear is because the exhaust routing goes exactly where the upper A-arm in a double wishbone would have to go. I don't know much about the details of the RX7 though...

I'll just leave this here:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwawx4zaMg&feature=c4-overview&list=UU5rBpVgv83gYPZ593XwQUsA"]Alfa 4C v Porsche Cayman S - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube[/ame]


Alfa gets handed its hat. Seems like a car someone would only buy if they were infatuated with its looks and simply needed one. Why buy something that's "a bit like an Elise" for that much money when you could just buy an actual Elise instead?