BRZ vs 2015 WRX STI
 

http://www.subaru.com/2015-wrx-sti.html

Has anyone jumped ship yet? New sti looks quite appealing... I want to see how it looks in SWP. However, I want a smaller spoiler perhaps.

It's difficult when that car isn't even on sale yet

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Would jump ship for this. Too bad Subaru would never make an STI coupe again.

Would jump ship if it didn't have the EJ257

The fact that people would change cars without any experience with the other vehicle leave me makes me sad

Hell no!! I got a Evo to play around in lol


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They need to make a rwd sti.

I'm considering to replace my primary car with this.

I would wait for the comparisons. The new WRX might give you 90%+ the handling and performance of the STI for a lot less money.

And you don't get that hideous wing.

The wing keeps the car planted at 120+ and it isn't nearly as ugly as the previous years. My 05's looks like a big black park bench. Worked well at 155mph, though.

I'd wait a couple years for the direct injected engine and all of the kinks to get worked out. I really like that there isn't a slapped-on body kit. It's all part of the regular bodywork.

This is all fun-talk with speculation. Not seriously jumping ship but the car looks appealing...

I had not seen the STI mention on their website so far. In fact, I thought they were continuing the STI over for a year or two alongside the new wrx. I personally like the hatchback models for some reason... although this new boxy shape would not really look well in a hatchback. The curves of the previous one did quite well however.

Exactly. I owned the first year offered USDM STi in 2004. EJ257. I cannot believe they are still using it for the STI. It was a great engine 10 years ago with the extra .5L displacement over the WRX EJ205. Now with direct injection and newer technology I was hoping they would have an engine making 340-350 chp.

I like the looks and some of the suspension new bits, but no thanks with the same old 305 chp EJ257.

They decided to keep the ej257. I wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole.. Stay far away unless you plan to keep drive train bone stock

I actually just read about this in the morning... Needless to say, I'm quite disappointed. I guess I'll keep looking.

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I dislike the 257.

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I dislike the 257 too

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How about the new wrx? It will have the fa20dit

Not sure what you mean by "jump ship" but how can you compare the two when there is a $10-15k price difference between the two.

That's a pretty big increase... and while it would have been nice, it's a bit of a stretch to realistically hope for that kind of firepower in a time when we are facing stricter emissions regulations and fuel economy targets while not making the car too pricey -- the CLA45 AMG has that luxury since it's a Benz and can carry that kind of a price tag with that kind of motor.

I think a 2.5L DIT definitely could make 340 chp reliably and easily if subaru would take engine performance r&d seriously for their flagship sporty car.

Fact is the EJ257 is decade old technology that is notoriously bad on the OEM tune. Hell I would take the new 2.0L DIT in the WRX over the EJ257 with their OEM tune. This is a big STI fan typing too (I have owned two).

Doesnt FA20 in BRZ have the ability to rack up to 500whp on pump or race? Well, what is more amazing was fullblown couldnt actually blow the engine, so they gave up and dropped a built motor?

Somebody have a clearer idea about fullblown BRZ ?

Even so, that would make it easily do 350-400 whp on pump gass ?

Hell .....that motor in a 26k awd sport sedan ? I will snatch one up ASAP. Also, i would do CVT all day....because i had been riding manual for 12 years....would love the new change...dont hate me.

Haters gonna hate.

with every new generation of sti released, the hate seems to get stronger and stronger... and it does makes sense why that is happening with this latest gen.

They are? I was curious about which engine they will be using... I was hoping for a fa20 variant or something.

They can be compared because they are both sports cars and $10-$15k is not that too big of a difference. They still are both sub $50k cars and I think a decent amount of people here can afford that. I would be stretching my pockets were I to go for it but I reckon it could be done.

You are missing the point. If you can buy a second car with the difference in price I wouldn't say they are in the same category.

BRZ vs 2015 WRX STI
 

I don't care, the 15 STI ,hands down, will blow a BRZ away in terms of pure driving excitement. Still there is just some kind of charm to the BRZ. I miss the heck out of my 07 stage 2 STI but that was then and this is now. BRZ is just a beautiful little car.


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I came from an 08 stage 1 protune and can honestly say I have no regrets at all. The BRZ feels faster in day to day driving thanks to much better suspension, lower seating position, less weight, and no turbolag.

As far as the 15 sti goes, if it's got anywhere near the problems with ringlands that the +07's do, I would stay far away. Considering it's the same engine and Subaru never figured out the cause, I'm going to guess it will, but I hope I'm wrong!

Even with newly tuned suspension on the new wrx sti, I still can't see it being better or even as good as a BRZ's handling. There is just no substitution for weight. Period.

EJ25 is a one of those engine that's a hit or miss. 90% of sti owners suffer from burning of oil (excessive amount), 30% suffer from cracked ringland, and some sort of boost creep issue when tuned. These are some issues that Subaru never bothered to correct. With that being said, these are some what minor issues. The engine makes great power, torque, and responsiveness. Not to mention there are already plenty of aftermarket parts and repairs available.

Quite often when a person becomes an experienced driver, they tend to know exactly what they want and what they need. As a track driver, there isn't a car that can match the specification and characteristic of a BRZ/FRS given the price point.

I concur with what many have said already. I've spent way, way too much money on a highly tuned Subie before, and while the car was an absolute blast at times, you can't add in exceptional engineering fundamentals after the fact. The 86 is so well designed. It is so much fun, and is a much better platform to build the car of your dreams on than an STI. If Subaru still offered an STI hatchback in the U.S., I'd possibly consider one as a second car, but as it is, the 86 gives me 85% of what I crave in a "fun" car, 100% of the time. That makes it very, very special.

The EJ25 was reliable on 04-06 STi. Not sure what in the world happened with 07+, but those engines seem to be more prone to ringland failure. Change of materials or unsafe tune to meet emissions? I wouldn't get the 15 STi because it has the same engine as 07+.

This...is tearing me up inside....why....why the heck does Subaru have to stick with the same 07 Engine ? Not even change of Pistons material ?:bow: :bow: :bow:

The WRX sounds like a better buy =/ . Again, what is the point to Opt in for a Limited WRX which will rack it up to 29k ? Why ?.....Why ?.......Base WRX is better I think

Seriously considering putting my FRS back to stock and selling all the parts and trading it in for a 2015 wrx.

I miss my 2012. It was the perfect all around car.

Can someone break down the main differences I would notice going from a 2013 FR-S to a 2015 STI?

Do you think it would suck as a daily driver?

I haven't really driven any true "super cars".. had a 1992 Celica, 2003 Camry, and now a 2013 FR-S.

The main reason I am looking to get rid of my Scion is it was in a really horrible accident, so I am not wanting to keep a car that already has $10K+ of repairs.

I am thinking about the same damn thing!

2015 STI looks softer

I haven't seen the new Sti in person, and still waiting impatiently for mine to arrive .

But a friend of mine came in today with his 2015 WRX limited . That car is looking a lot better in person , the carbon fiber trim, the leather seats and those LED boomerang on the headlight is really purrdy.

Will share my thoughts on BRZ vs 2015 WRX soon. My car should be here in about 10 days (hopefully sooner).

Why the switch? Didn't you just get the '14?

Yes. The BRZ ruined me.. I really like the 2014 WRX in terms of power, practicality, snow/rain, etc but the sloppy handling/body roll means the handling is just not there for me. I was in the process of pricing out and upgrading the handling to include things like front and rear sway bars and end links, springs, inserts or coilovers, proper alignment, etc. At the end of the day we are talking close to $2K of upgrades or more installed. When the 15's came out it appears Subaru really learned from the BRZ and greatly improved the handling and suspension of the 2015. I started pricing the 2015's and a dealer gave me a very good trade-in on my car and a really good deal on the new car (just above invoice). I am out about $1500-1800 total to switch from the 2014 to the 2015 and that includes taxes, etc.

Instead of dumping that much or more into a 2014 I thought I would start over with a better chassis to begin with. I was not expecting the dealers here to be as aggressive as they were with 2015's, and my car being the last year of the hatches with only 2200 miles on it really helped with the trade-in.

If you factor in the upgraded interior and the turbo FA20 (better MPG vs the EJ series engine) it makes it a good deal for me. Still not sold on the exterior styling and hate that I am giving up the hatch...