Wait for 2015 motor or buy now?
 

Hello guys and gals. I got my first FRS mid 2013 and sold it... why, well because I'm car crazy and i change cars almost every year which is a very bad habit. Nonetheless i'm really considering getting another FRS but with the rumors of a new motor coming out for 2015 are holding me back. I don't know if its better to wait for it or just get one of this generation. There may be mild changes to the body of the car and well the motor which has been bored to a 2.5 if I'm not mistaken. The increase in displacement will probably mean a loss in revs, meaning lower redline and i dislike that. The motor will have more torque and power but it still wont be enough for my needs so it'll be boosted regardless. The pros of getting the car now is that there is plenty of aftermarket for the engine, including a vast selection of proven turbo kits and superchargers. What do you guys think. Please!!! lets keep the thread civilized, just opinions or ideas lets now get angry at each other. :burnrubber:

If I was your financial advisor, I'd smack you.

yeah i know, my wife, parents... everyone wants to smack me lol but lets just sake hypothetically speaking.

We can just tell you there is a power increase for 2015 if that will help you save money :iono:

I really, really, REALLY doubt there will be a power boost in 2015 model. REALLY.

Just wait for the new corvette z06. You'll be smoking pretty much everything on the street and track for years to cum

If your sources for this information are any of the following, ignore and move on with your life.

Car forums.
Car dealers.
Friend who knows a friend at Subaru/Toyota corporate.
Friend who works at a dealer who knows someone at corporate.
Magazines.
Google searches.
Social media.

Unless it's hype generated directly by SOA or TMC (via teasers, etc), it's all rumors and blown way out of proportion.

-alex

since you have coins, buy now and trade in later for 2015 model :)

why not buddy? or get two cars

Highly doubt that a more powerful version will come out soon, toyota is probably still trying to milk all of our money before they release something new.

If you've had a FRS before and sold it, I wouldn't buy another any time soon unless you plan on changing whatever made you unhappy the first time.

wait... you already had a 2013 FRS and sold it. What makes you think you would like the 2014 any more? It's the same car... there are no major changes. If the car wasn't good enough to keep the first time, I doubt it will be the second time.


With regards to more power in 2015... I doubt it. Follow the money. They are selling these cars like hotcakes, what's in it for them to spend R&D dollars and start messing with things so soon? They are definitely going to ride this out for a couple of more years at least.

I've only heard rumors about the FR-S Sedan and BRZ Hatback-esqe concepts coming with a 2.5 or a turbo.

I agree with @blunova, If you didn't want a 2013, you won't want a 2014 either. I can't see them making any major changes for at least 2 years, but idk!

Nick C.

Look at the last sports car in the fleet, MR2 Spyder. It never got a power increase throughout it's life cycle. I expect FR-S will follow that strategy given that TMS USA is first and foremost a volume car company run by bean counters and it would be cost prohibitive to certify a new engine configuration for what is to them a niche car.

OTOH, I fully expect a TRD version later this year that should be something...if you like yellow and can justify the price. A TRD model would sidestep certification requirements so is the most likely step after Monogram.

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Is this like thread #201231231325 about this topic? LOL

+1 yes and its amazing how many people make such BIG decisions on rumors alone?? lol! :lol:

I would wait for the 2.5liter then wait for the 3.0 then hopefully one day theyll make a frs with a 5.0 engine then ill buy one oooooo yeeeaaaaa

Lucky for him, the 2015 was introduced at NAIAS today:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...7&d=1388781181

The motor can't support anything beyond 2.2L from what HKS told us.

If you're waiting for the latest and greatest, you're going to keep waiting. If you weren't happy with what you had, you'll be in the same place as before but out thousands of dollars. But to each his own.

So the WRX STI was just announced with a 2.5L motor today. What I'm wondering is, will it have the old EJ or an all new FA based motor? And if it is an all-new FA 2.5L, then that gives more credibility to the BRZ/FR-S getting one. Hmm...

Well obviously this is joke to most. Thanks anyway. If anyone else has any serious input, i'll highly appreciate it. To those who have no clue what im talking about refer to this thread. I didn't open this so anyone would comment on my personal life decisions, whether or not they're stupid. Some of us have the possibilities of trading in an e92 m3 for a scion FRS then 3 months later getting an STI then a '13 335is... as stated above you dont have to agree with my life's choices i simply asked you to let me know what you would do if you were able to. It is obvious that those who can't afford to will post what most of you posted above. Whether you like it or not the car will be refreshed on 2015 like the s2000, like the scion Tc and 335i bmw and so forth.

PS- I was happy with the car, hence the reason i want another one. I realized now, nothing drove like that car on the track, easy an inexpensive to modify and a lot more aftermarket parts now.

Just like the new WRX has a FA 2.0l turbo.

Trying to keep a car, thanks for the input though.

Hello Subaru and toyota,

please make the engine into a 2.5 liter size, and also increase the redline to 8,500 while you're at it. And put on koni struts as standard.

Thanks,
Dave

My opinion is forget the FRS/GT86/BRZ. In my opinion, it's impossible to explain selling a certain model of a car only to buy it again half a year later. It's understandable to want to buy the refreshed model though IF there will be one. The 2015 "changes" are still all speculation.

I don't particularly care if you switch cars every 3 months. You sold your FRS, so get something else in the meanwhile. If they do refresh in 2015, and you want it, get a 2016 when they'll add kneepads in the new Release Series Alpha Scion Anniversary Gambit 2.3

@yomny, If there's indeed a new motor, you might have to wait for the aftermarket to figure out the best solutions to extract more power from it. The current motor is about to hit 2 years in the market pretty soon and parts are starting to prove themselves. If you wanna start modding right away, go with the current motor. The monogram series looks pretty good.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news

No ifs ands or buts about it, if there was an FA in there they'd be talking up the Direct Injection non-stop.

Sounds like the 'new' STI is a stop gap model while they ramp up the new base WRX, once that gets settled in they'll implement an new STI based on that architecture. At least that's my interpretation of the news.

With regards to the OP: there is zero credible sources that there will ever be a power increase for the Toyobaru. Buy one now (again) or move on, maybe come back around when used ones are cheap, but waiting for more factory power is a waste of time imho. Besides you had no problems flipping on a car you barely owned for a year, doesn't seem like you'd have many regrets in doing so again.

:cheers:

I'm with him. Wait for the gambit series! Comes with a special card paint job.

so you are saying that you had an m3, then you got an FRS and then an sti and now a 335is? if my math is correct you had each car for 5 monts or less? now you want another FRS?
well you oviously have plenty of disposable income to loose about 3-5+ grand everytime you trade a car in or you have a trick that you need to tell me about because i need to learn how to get a different car every 6 months! lol

since you obviously have the money and means to afford plenty of cars why in the world are you looking at an frs again????
if its true you have a 335is now, you will be downgrading drastically if you do trade it in for an FRS! dont get me wrong, the frs handles nice and all but is in a whole different class to a 335is. and even if they did update the engine, i doubt it will be as fast as the 335is you currently have... why not get something better? Cayman? new M4? etc...

sounds to me like you are making this stuff up... and since this is the internet well as they say around here, proof or it didnt happen.... any pics of the frs m3 sti and 335is that you care to share to verify that your story is credible?

tell you what, im from miami too so i'll trade you my frs for your 335is ;)

The only reports I've heard of a 2.5 is what Tada has been testing. This doesn't mean anything though. Any changes to the car requires both Subaru and Toyota to agree upon. Its the same reason why the convertible is currently dead. Subaru refused to build it

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False...same 2.5L EJ as the out going model...http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/14/2...-detroit-2014/

He said WRX not STi. The WRX does have the FA20DIT.

I can all but guarantee a power bump in 2015, but more likely 2016. Toyota knows a lot of people will trade in their current Twin for the new one in the event of more power AKA more money for them. But cost would have to increase, as with weight which is against the original concept. If you want the raw and simple sports car with a 90's clock. Buy now, but if you want a high tech, powerful, and expensive car, then wait.
Also; with Toyota's Love affair with the Prius, and the opportunity to slap Honda's failed Sport/Hybrid CRZ in the face. I predict the KERS system to be in the refreshed FR-S.

See my above "serious input" comment about your "thread".

-alex

You would be waiting/relying on a flimsy rumor. More than likely, and I am sure most would agree, there is like a 5% or less chance there will be a 2.5 liter. I would just FI it with AVO or SC with innovate

Screw the 2.5 liter... wait for the 2016 FA20 with VVTL-i and an 8200 rpm redline. VVTL-i just kicked in yo...

The only reason i dont trade the 335is is because my wife is keeping it, im trading her WRX for the FRS. I dont get the new Z06 or M4, i rather the M3, because they're very expensive and i'm trying to lower my payments and get rid of this awful upside down im carrying. I dont ask about the new frs engine update because im going to leave it stock and rely on its power but because it'll be a newer car and well the new motor will assist in making things funner till i could shed the money for the boost.

lol for the sake of playing, but you could always say the pics aren't mine.
But why cant we just leave this thread as an "wait or buy now" instead of getting into what i can and cannot get.

Notice FRS in same driveway as IS
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...004_174047.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...n/IMAG0067.jpg
track built s2k
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...03B9EDD1-1.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...n/DSC_0451.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...C368E15133.jpg

I'm pretty sure you don't really know what we can afford. Your post doesn't make sense. The 2013 and 2014 are essentially the same. You sold the 2013 and now you are considering the 2014. Sounds like you need to do more research before you buy and sell. As for 2015 .... only god knows. Sounds like you need to consider leasing.

Thats what i figured as well as most likely having a lower redline like the new civic Si. Thanks Raul!... i've been looking out on ER for the next autox, see you around.