Disabled the driving aids. Here are my impressions.
 

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Yes, I pulled the ABS fuse. Why?

I'm no longer in fear of the car deciding to do somethig on my behalf that I don't want it to do.

I've never owned a car with so many driving aids, and this would be one of the least powerful cars with with the most mechanical grip I've owned.

I used to always feel my car do weird things. After reading up on all the querks it has; namely ebd, auto lsd, ice mode. It's assumed pedal dance turns most of these off but no one seems to know for sure. It's all bullshit in the most part. I have traction control, the accelerator. I have ABS/EBD/stability, the brakes and the steering wheel.

My car brakes much harder now. I have bigger brakes and good street tyres or semi slicks. Where as before it would engage abs, now I can break much harder. Obvioulsy it will get to a point now where it will lock up, but let me tell you it's well beyond the point where abs used to jump in.

When I have skidders on, and go drifting, the car is better. Where as before with the aids off/pedal dance, it would still get involved if you reached big angle or did a quick switch, it doesn't now.

On canyon/hills, it's also much better. Coming out of corners, where one wheel might unload, it used to apply the brake to the inside rear tyre. I believe this is its auto LSD. I don't need this, I have a 2way. Car seems to fire out of corners in these situations now.

Commuting to and from work, this is where I'd like to have the aids on. This is when I'm probably paying the least attention, on the phone, kid might run out etc. what id like to do is get a switch made up that just activates or deactivates this abs fuse.

In short I feel much safer driving the car aggressively without any aids. It now reacts how you would expect it to.

If you've owned a turbo silvia or another lightweight rwd car that didn't have aids, you'll enjoy your 86 much more with this fuse pulled.

If you're reading this thinking I'm a mad ****; and you feel you need the aids to enjoy the car, that's fine. I feel a little bad for you though.

I'm actually all for these types of aids if its what they need to put in a good car to make it safe for some. As long as they're easily disabled, which in this case I am only certain of when pulling the fuse.

The aids are there for saftey, pull the fuse at the track not on the road.

u have never owned a car with so many aids? all these "aids" are standard on pretty much all the cars on the road today to keep u and other ppl safe. how old were ur other cars? carved rock running on wooden wheels? please keep ur care road safe for other drivers' sake.

Good luck with that. (Blasted airbag keeping you from seeing that last 0.1 sec of life? get rid of it and enjoy the view) JK... enjoy it, its your life.

Lol totally agree with you here, sounds like your car is awesome now.

I remember back in the day I had a 96 civic turbo. I got some wilwood front brakes and I felt way safer driving with bigger brakes. Then I had an sti with brembos and those felt good too. It feels funny to go back to driving regular rental cars or something and feel the shitty brakes and it feels more dangerous.

Lol at people who say "these aids are for safety." True, but I guess you want the car to drive itself? OTOH, people might get careless since they think their "aids" are gonna save them. Lol aids.

Maybe any car in the 90's?

A lot of people rely on ABS when they live in cold-weather climates that produce snow and ice. It also helps in the rain. If you want to risk it, more power to you. I think I would only feel comfortable doing it myself at the track.

I think its funny how people offer their opinions on the internet on what other people shouldn't be doing. That's good advice from the OP on his experience. I'm not gonna do this on the road, but maybe I'll try it out on a track sometime. Also if you do pull the fuse and get into an accident the fault could be placed on you if they find the abs fuse missing. Be safe out there.

Waits for the inevitable "parting out my car" thread when your insurance company won't pay for your inevitable crash.

ABS interferes 99% of the time when you don't need it, but it is the 1% time in an accident avoidance situation that you will NEED it.

That's the reaction I expected.

Reason I haven't owned a modern sports car, as nothing decent (and affordable) has come out of Japan in 10 years. So instead I spent the last 10 years owning late 90's Japanese cars and modifying them.

It actually scares me that so many people here think driving aids are needed on a 150whp 1200kg car.

I've owned 40+ cars, written off 1. That was my fault. I was 17 with a turbo Toyota Starlet FWD (ep82) boost induced understeer off the road. It was my second car.

If I crash the car, I doubt it'll be because I didn't have the aids are on. The aids are there in a modern car to make up the short comings of a typical driver. It doesn't make the car more safe to a capable driver.

I have two other cars with twice the power and less weight than the 86. They have no aids. Heck, one doesn't even have PS or a brake booster. So, yes I feel confident enough to remove the aids.

My post was not intended to brag about being a badass. Rather, it was to give others with a similar level of confidence in their own driving that there is a quick fix, and I provide feedback on the improvements I have experienced.

Too many ignoramuses that have grown up believing marketing spin about driving aids.

Here's a tip, go to the track and learn how to drive, that's the best driving aid and safety feature you can get.

I guess you guys would shit a brick if I told you that I'll quite often go for a drive at night if it's raining, and I swap my directional rear tyres around, so they're installed backwards. The tyre then can't get rid of any water. It's rather comical. Best thing is the tyre doesn't wear, and you get super sideways with naff all speed.

I wouldn't recommend trying that if you currently place so much reliance on your driving aids.

Driving aids are like training wheels on a BMX. You'll only learn how to use the thing properly without them.

Just glad that you are in NZ and not here.

You and me both, guy.

I would ask you why, but I already know the answer...

BECAUSE RACECAR! :D:D

I highly recommend removing the airbags and seatbelts too. They are nothing but a crutch...

I agree with everything you've said, i prefer the car without the aids as well. But unlike you i know where to take my car to the limit and push it.

No matter how good you are you will make a mistake, i hope when you do it doesn't hurt someone else.

Don't be a sarcastical fuck stain. Seatbelts and airbags don't soften the driving experience, aids do. Seatbelts and airbags exist to slow the rapid deceleration of you in a crash. I would remove the airbags if I used a harness instead of the stock seatbelt.

They are not the same thing.

I agree with what you're getting at. And don't get me wrong, I'm not taking my car to the limit all day every day on the street like a lunatic.

You don't need to be near the limit before the aids chime in though. Like I said, I'd like it rigged up to a switch, even the current TRC button. I'd be quote happy with full on or full off switch, which routing the switch via the abs fuse, would be achieved.

I've looked into this. Someone tried to tell me this was what I did to my car…not the case but scary none the less.


I agree 100% with lessons at the track. Did that a long time ago in my mustang with no "nanny" buttons. Will do it again when I get my next car.

I hate abs personally.

Yeh if the TRC off was full off that would be good. I'm sure a custom setup to engage and disengage the ABS fuse wouldn't be too expensive or difficult though.

I'll finally get to have a play with my supercharger with no aids in 2 weeks im bloody excited!!!

dunno why everyone is bashing op. He learned how to drive plenty of cars without ABS, why would he want ABS? :iono:

It's not like diss7 is the only person out there who gets annoyed with AIDS.

It's a pretty common reaction to modern car technology. Thank god we can turn traction control all the way off in these cars, otherwise I prob wouldn't have bought one TBH.

If you're confused about this point of view, watch Top Gear. They also "get it."

I had the same SC a few months ago. I entered a drift event with it. It'll hold 3rd no worries now, I even tried a couple of 4th gear initiations, but I had to have the revs so high that it was too fast for the corner. I binned the sc as it couldn't withstand circuit beatings. It got to the point where it just got hotter and hotter, that was with the intercooler too. Could've tried a bigger exchanger but I decided to go another way.

Not true... I almost always do the 5sec TC hold to disable it... and every single time I take the corner exiting my house when it's wet (this is at 5-10MPH) the TC light flashes even though I disable it... its a fucking nuisance...

I started on a car without aids, and my next 2 cars had a simple 1 click completely off TC. not a single crash, and the only times I got close to having an accident was when the TC kicked while trying to merge with traffic killing all the power cause it won't even let a slight chirp happen.

ROFLcopter!

There's plenty of decent cars that never made it to the states that you probably don't even know about.

Here's a list of the sportier cars I've owners since 1999. Pretty much all of which had more power, or less weight, or both; than the 86.

Toyota Starlet (kp60). These are rear wheel drive and about 700kg. Had at least 10 of these. I've used hacks as paddock cars. Had one with a 4age 20v as well that could go around my local track in 1:42 (quickest I've gotten my gt86 is 1:47.5 with semi slicks and big brakes
Toyota Starlet GT Turbo (ep82) x 2
Nissan Pulsar GTiR x 3. Had one that I modified in 2002 than ran a 11.7 1/4 mile; which was fast at the time.
Toyota Celica GT4 WRC (st205)
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 3
Nissan 180sx drift car
Nissan Silvia S14 PFL (bought a 1994 specially because it had no abs or hicas)
Nissan Silvia S15 - this had ABS, but I removed it
Subaru Impreza STI Version 6. This has ABS, but I cbf removing it.
Toyota AE86 x 3. One 4age 20v street. One 4age turbo that was stolen before I finished it. One that started as 3sge beams NA, that's now turbo and 400whp; I still have it.
I also had a Toyota KE20 with an sr20det.
I can find pictures / videos / time slips if I need to. Go to Mikes Toyota projects on Facebook, where I keep pics of my current toyota projects. There's also an other cars folder of some of the others.

None of those cars had aids. You might like to think they were shit, but I only wish they still made cars as awesome as cars were 10-15 years ago.

I dont really care why or whats gonna happen, but why not put a switch inline? Then you could have it for shitty weather or whatever and turn it off when you feel necessary. Doesn't seem like it would be to hard to do.

either way, keep safe, and remember, haters make victories better

This. I put a switch on TC on my FJ; 2008 model didn't even offer a switch. How am I supposed to do dirt donuts with TC?!

Yup agree. I've said the same thing two or three times already.

Great, another wanna be racecar driver on the internet puts himself and others in harm way, gotta love car guys. Giving us great names since the late 40's!

Stop trying to show off, this forum has enough antithesis running around.

Don't even bother quoting me, i won't waste my time again after this.

Good stuff OP. We need to figure out a "full cut" system which approximates pulling this from inside cabin, instantaneously.

I'd love one for airbags too -- provided I had harnesses/cage/buckets. :)

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Well now, I drove cars for lots of years before ABS (or any other nanny devices) were common on cars. Down dirt and gravel roads on half bald tires with drum brakes and ..... it was uphill both ways ....:D

I got along just fine; you really learn how to "drive" a car.

However, even though I still possess those skills, if were driving a car without ABS on a wet road and a car in front of me had ABS and slammed on its brakes ...... I figure that I would be hard pressed to get stopped in time.

So, this old boy is gonna leave that fuse in place .... ;)

humfrz

I'm still DDing my 1987 Toyota Camry. No aids, no airbags, no accidents, plenty of snow and ice. I've only had it since 1998 and only added 250,000 miles to it, so YMMV. If you buy quality stuff and take care of it, then it will last a long time.

The FRS is the first car I've driven with aids, so I agree with OP. I expect to feel the car begin to slide or rotate so that I can modulate/balance just below that, but just then the brake pedal starts shaking like its broken or something. Only then do I remember that it has ABS and that it is supposed to do that and I'm expected to mash down on the brake pedal without learning to drive properly.

But I'm also glad that other people's cars have ABS.

[edit] And I leave all the FRS aids on, its not like they're harmful. I just have to learn tomake them work for me. [/edit]

How do I become a race car driver?

Owning race cars?

Driving race cars?

Circuit, drifting, drag?

Because I've done it.

I don't confess to being the stig, but I like to think I can pedal.

Also I quoted you, so I could annoy you further.

You old guys with your "learn to drive properly" line are getting tiresome. Modern cars have abs, tc, and vsc. There are no cars left to "learn to drive properly" unless you buy a ragged out used car.

For those that want to turn off all the safeties, do a search for "pedal dance" in the track forum.

No need to install switches or pull fuses.