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Now, pardon my newbiness/dumbness/etc, but is there some sort of magical trick to getting this thing to smoothly drift corners? I've tried twice without any driver assistance on and spun out both times (luckily no one was around so i escaped with my pride and car unharmed). Now i know its no where near the same thing, but i used to slide my 5,300 lb pickup in the rain or in the dirt with no issues. After a lot of practice i was able to get it down pretty smooth and transition my "drifts." Now with this car its a totally different nightmare. It just wants to keep spinning.

Any tips/tricks? I'm trying at relatively low speeds (~25-30mph) in 2nd gear. No ebrake used, either a clutch kick or just full power then release. Any advice is greatly appreciated and any shit talking is appreciated even more so - i love e-thuggin, it gives me a hardon.

I would try this in a parking lot if anything. First I would start with sport mode so you get a feel for the back end coming out. I would then stay in 1st gear and practice with all nannies off. Throttle modulation is probably the best way to keep her from spinning.

Well, cut the wheel and hit the gas ....;)

humfrz - being a big help ..... :(

Oh i can do it with no issues with sport mode but there was a major concern on my part about the stress its putting on the rear brakes. I had posted a thread recently about a tire tech yelling at me about working the brakes to hard and the rotors having hairline cracks.

I'll have to work on throttle modulation though; thanks for the advice! Any way to do this without an empty lot?

that's whats gotten me into trouble every other time :thumbup:

Go faster, in a parking lot, preferably wet.

The speed I found when I was learning made it easier to predict and catch the countersteer.

For the love of your preferred religion don't try and teach yourself on public roads, sounds like you consider yourself lucky nobody was around when you spun out, you wanna keep relying on luck?

I'm a newb at this too and what I've been learning is throttle control is very important and I've also been doing some left foot braking to help keep control

oh god no because i am the unluckiest person in the world. eh, i shouldn't say that, i'm actually pretty fortunate.

as far as the open lot suggestion, i live in a town of about 30k people with horrible roads. That and cops that don't have a lot to do. Big, empty lots are kind of a unicorn around here.

You can see if there's any local drift-areas to practice in. Consider looking 200+ miles away as well.

One just opened up around me and it's got a beginner section to help teach people. :happyanim:

Besides that, I can't really think of any safe areas if you don't have an open lot. :(

Frozen lake and snow tires?
Dunno if It gets cold enough down your neck of the woods.

Town of 30k people should have some big empty lots in the middle of the night.
Cops can't do shit in canada because lots are private property, dunno bout down there though.

But if you really wanna start drifting you have to in an open environment, cause when your learning, you have no Effin clue where your gunna end up after a spin, I've adjusted mine to a ton of space cause a couple of my spins you just keep on slidin...

Auto x, you'll learn by accident.

I would advise caution on private property -

While careless driving under the H.T.A. has to take place on a highway,
Dangerous driving is anywhere , and it is a CRIMINAL offence.

There are also other powers the po-po have in relation to private property where the public has access.

We like to play in parking lots of isolated industrial areas rather than mall lots - much less visible.

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Yea, when entering private property without the owners consent you are entering a whole other ball game.

Agreed on stay off public roads, you never know who's around. A couple years ago a guy goofing off in his 350z killed a retired couple out on a walk near my house, by all accounts a quiet road with 'nobody around'.

Setting that aside, I think you're used to breaking traction in your truck or sport mode which require much more aggressive input to get sliding. With the aids off you should be able to get the desired effect with less effort, more finesse. Try starting slow with low input and then increasing the inputs each pass until you get a feel for getting it sideways.

But seriously, go find a sanctioned event. Even moderate instruction will be more effective than ANY post on the internet.

Your left foot is not meant to be used on the brake pedal. Unless perhaps you only have one leg, and it's your left leg.

Left foot braking is most definitely used in a racing to control load transfer.

The OEM tires have about as much traction as 4 bars of wet soap -- which is great for easy "drifts", but moves us from drift to "spin" at pretty low g's. This, by the way, is handy for doing donuts in the parking lot of your (former) employer with your left hand triumphantly raised out the window in a 1 finger salute. I gave this a try and it was AWESOME.

Anyway ... sounds like you may want to ask Santa for some stickier tires.

I would guess based on you saying that you did it 'in a truck' before easier that you're suffering from the problem of 'my back end weighs something' and you need to put more power into it than you're used too.

Speaking from experience of transitioning to a Truck to a Car. The Truck could spinout at a light with the brakes on (old truck, high speed idle broke so was always on, and a 454 chin V8 (what is that. 6.7L now?) can over power the brakes on an old truck and if there is snow on the ground...instant UNWANTED donuts)

More cowbell.

Magic? Try more than twice.

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oh i'm in no way saying i dont need or dont want more practice, but coming from something that i could drift and would a drift relatively easily to something that is supposed to drift easy and for me doesn't is more of the issue

If you do spin, don't try to save it.

"in a spin both feet in and come to a complete stop"

(of course, both feet in = clutch + brake...)

Your truck probably had a shit-ton more torque and a lot less total grip on the drive wheels (unloaded, light rear).

This is about balance more than just power.

and thats a natural tendency for me for whatever reason. both times i've spun out i counter steer and clutch & brake. I havent ever stalled while spinning out.

wouldn't more torque make it easier to spin out?

With the truck it was easier to break traction without much weight transfer. Whereas in the car you're getting the whole thing rotating. Speaking of rotating... A lot of what you are feeling is the wheelbase. Your truck probably had much larger dimensions. The car is 2570mm and thus rotates faster.

This is kind of our thing. People often focus on horsepower/torque and maybe weight, but your wheelbase and chassis setup dictates a lot of your experience. Food for thought. :cheers:

Cheers,
bestwheelbase

It's very easy to spin the car with stock tires. 25~30mph on 2nd gear won't get you that power, try with 1st gear.

1st gear is way too short. The car can drift fine in a parking lot going 20-30mph in 2nd gear.

Also i found the best spot for me is my local community college parking lots. No one is around at night and the lots are wide and open.

This should be permaposted in every thread on every forum..

1) do pedal dance and turn off ALL the aids, not just hold down button to get rid of it.
2) if you are spinning completely around (left turn drift, car rotates completely around), you are on the throttle too much and/or have understeer going in transitioning into snap oversteer. Learn to modulate throttle.
3) if you are spinning while transitioning left to right (and vice versa), but are otherwise okay with a single direction drift, you're on the gas way too early in a transition before the weight transfer is done. Work on weight transfer.

Keep in mind that this car is a Torsen LSD... and as such, it's very much like a Viscous LSD in that it won't allow you to slide continuously without some effort (and skill) from the driver.

-alex

Yes, I just learned last week that the car will not let you press the gas and brake simultaneously with out doing the pedal dance. It just cuts power to the engine

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKkJYAaw4k"]Braking Drift (Fékezéses drift) - YouTube[/ame]

Left foot braking would be beneficial in this sense to figure out at what point the car's weight rotates over to start a drift.

I always used this to do tight figure 8's in gymkhana and practice events, as a way of learning how little/much throttle to give the car to induce/maintain a slide.

-alex

I think the general consensus is I need practice. Looks like ill be parking lot hunting tomorrow

Speed, throttle control, timing, angle and weight shift. Be in a high gear (3rd-4) if you want to drift smoothly, lower gear (2nd) if you want to drift aggressively.

Enter the corner, turn away from the corner smoothly and briefly (also consider braking), apply throttle and turn into the corner and let the weight shift carry the back around and begin a slide with the throttle, lift when you're done sliding.

Worst comes to worst, cops may know an abandoned lot you can use. I've done that before.

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Lol Shelby cops SEEM to be more inclined to help out broke down people then hand out tickets. Cars only half legal right now, hence why I havent made it to a C&C lately, so we'll see. I might just garage it and work on stuff till next year. I just have a lotta time off coming up so im ancy to do something

Yeah, screw Shelby cops. Never got pulled out there, but they'd ride my ass a lot.

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I think the applying throttle thing is an issue for me. To much and you spin. To little and I dunno wtf happens. Everytime my brain catches up to whats happening im already spinning and my instinct is clutch and brake.

This is something I need to work on.


BTW!!!! I appreciate all the positive reinforcement ive gotten. Kinda not used to that from other forum experience. Nice to be around a good group of people, no homo

The main thing you need to work on is CONSISTENCY. You can't figure out what you are doing wrong because you aren't able to do things consistently, and figure out why the car is over-rotating.

If you are having trouble with throttle modulation, you need to do one of two things:

1) enter with a higher speed, use less angle. Or,
2) learn to do smaller donuts/figure 8s with left foot braking.

The left foot braking is NOT needed, however it's obvious you're not using throttle and weight transfer to your advantage.

I honestly think you need to find a good safe area, set up two cones, and learn figure 8s around them.

Something like this:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q7YKGz839Q"]Drift Practice S13 Figure 8 (7m distance) - YouTube[/ame]

-alex

One thing that stuck out to me in this vid is the driver bouncing off the rev limiter; we, or at least i cant do that in the FRS, it just cuts the power, which forces me to upshift. This just adds one other thing that takes my attention away from trying to do a smooth drift.