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merino_frs 12-10-2013 12:34 AM

ST Coilover Pics
 
So i just pulled the trigger on some ST Coilovers and i want to see how other 86 twins look like with them on. Please post your pics below :thumbup:

Squishy86 12-10-2013 01:02 AM

Wouldn't they look like any other 86 dropped .8 to 2 inches?

Plxdjake89 12-10-2013 01:17 AM

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Here's mine a day after installation, still need to set it up properly


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merino_frs 12-10-2013 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sabSquishy (Post 1380037)
Wouldn't they look like any other 86 dropped .8 to 2 inches?


yeah i guess you're right but i want to see an 86 on ST coilovers:party0030:
my prefrence




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Originally Posted by Plxdjake89 (Post 1380059)
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looking good! what are your current alignment specs? if i may ask :)

Plxdjake89 12-10-2013 01:28 AM

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Here's another, it's kinda hard to see though. :/
I really need a better camera other than my iphone 5


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merino_frs 12-10-2013 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Plxdjake89 (Post 1380078)
Attachment 59643
Here's another, it's kinda hard to see though. :/
I really need a better camera other than my iphone 5


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tell me about it man, i wish i never sold my DSLR :thumbdown:

are those RPF1 17 inch?

Plxdjake89 12-10-2013 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by merino_frs (Post 1380102)
tell me about it man, i wish i never sold my DSLR :thumbdown:

are those RPF1 17 inch?

Yup, 17x9 +35 with hankook v12's 245/40 all around

merino_frs 12-10-2013 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Plxdjake89 (Post 1380108)
Yup, 17x9 +35 with hankook v12's 245/40 all around

you probably lowered your car the full 50mm right?

Plxdjake89 12-10-2013 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by merino_frs (Post 1380122)
you probably lowered your car the full 50mm right?

To be honest I'm not completely sure, it's not slammed. I just haven't had time to adjust the height :/ I'm lazy a f


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mike the snake 12-10-2013 02:03 AM

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Here's mine with Enkei Raijins, 245/265 MPSS tires

merino_frs 12-10-2013 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mike the snake (Post 1380137)
Here's mine with Enkei Raijins, 245/265 MPSS tires

Looking good buddy!! How much did you lower your car?

switchlanez 12-10-2013 02:42 AM

@Plxdjake89, @mike the snake:

How low did the coilovers come set from the factory? Halfway? (If the 20-50mm lowering range is correct, I think halfway would be 35mm). Or how many threads?

chanomatik 12-12-2013 07:59 PM

Definitely curious on people's lowering settings if they're going to share pics. If you didn't adjust them from the factory then I'm curious as to what factory spec is?

mike the snake 12-12-2013 08:13 PM

I'm guessing mine is lowered 1.5 inches. The rear at first was lower but rubbed too much (I'm running 265's in the rear) so I raised it to where it's at now in the pic with no rubbing issues.

I'm planning on going another 1/4" to 1/2" lower front and rear.

chanomatik 12-12-2013 09:13 PM

Thanks! I was heavily considering Mach V lowering springs, but I'm thinking now that I want simple, yet quality coilovers just for more drop and to give the stock struts some relief. Throwing aftermarket springs on stock struts hasn't always been my favorite solution, especially since I already have over 30k miles on the car.

continuecrushing 12-13-2013 10:26 PM

Ill get some pics up soon, but for reference:

Stock I was 4.75" from fender to edge of wheel(rim), all 4.
After installing the st coilovers, they are set as such:
Front-which is 7 full turns(on the height adjustment collar) from the bottom has me at 3.5" from fender to wheel(rim)
Rear-which is 15 full turns from the bottom has me at 2.75" from fender to collar.

These measurements are after a day or two of sitting, and ill report back in a week if they've settled at all. I will be raising the rear up to match the front drop height, however.

FT-86 SpeedFactory 12-14-2013 12:11 AM

Best coils out there under $1000 no questions asked.

Krispeee 12-14-2013 01:46 PM

What's the spring rate on the ST?


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Calavera 12-14-2013 02:23 PM

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ST out of the box.


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switchlanez 12-14-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 1389064)
Ill get some pics up soon, but for reference:

Stock I was 4.75" from fender to edge of wheel(rim), all 4.
After installing the st coilovers, they are set as such:
Front-which is 7 full turns(on the height adjustment collar) from the bottom has me at 3.5" from fender to wheel(rim)
Rear-which is 15 full turns from the bottom has me at 2.75" from fender to collar.

These measurements are after a day or two of sitting, and ill report back in a week if they've settled at all. I will be raising the rear up to match the front drop height, however.

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Originally Posted by Calavera (Post 1389989)
Attachment 60049Attachment 60050
ST out of the box.


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Thanks for providing the info I've been searching for for awhile! Looks like my Sportline drop so I'll keep the factory settings when I receive and install mine.

I guess the strut rod is allen keyed? Anyone know the size of the strut rod's keying (stock is 5mm and 6mm) and the strut top nut size? Curious if everything is "normal" and not unusually sized (like an oversized top nut or rod keyed beyond the range of my hex bit set) in which case I'd have to buy more hardware.

continuecrushing 12-14-2013 05:08 PM

The nuts on the st strut and the Allen/hex heads are different as well, but I believe it was just a standard vs metric size thing. No insanely weird size will be needed.

Make sure you have a pass through wrench set to make things a lot easier during install.

switchlanez 12-14-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 1390263)
The nuts on the st strut and the Allen/hex heads are different as well, but I believe it was just a standard vs metric size thing. No insanely weird size will be needed.

Make sure you have a pass through wrench set to make things a lot easier during install.

Yup, I've got a pass thru and allen key set. Just ordered long hex bit sockets which I'll be able to use w/ my torque wrench to [finally, for the first time in my life] torque top nuts to spec!

But my pass thru sockets, hex bit sockets, and allen key set are all metric. So you're saying the ST requires SAE (English, not metric) hardware? Weird, thought it was identical to the KW V1 which should be metric.

continuecrushing 12-14-2013 09:54 PM

Ill double check, but when I was doing the install 1/2 asleep(at 3am lol), I think the hex was a different size than the stock ones...however, it might have just been the front nuts of the st coilovers that were different(sae vs metric)

Ill check in a few minutes @switchlanez

continuecrushing 12-14-2013 11:25 PM

Okay, so here's the breakdown.

Bolts and nut for bottom of strut/knuckle are 19mm

Top of stock struts are 12mm(that hold the strut to the car)
The stock rear strut nut is 14mm
Front stock nut is 17mm
Stock hex is 6mm front
Stock rear hex is 5mm


The nut on the top of the ST front strut is 19mm or 3/4
ST allen/hex on the front ST strut is 5mm
ST allen/hex on the rear ST strut is 5mm
The top of the rear ST strut is 16mm


Never said "nut" so many times before lol. I didn't have a pass through wrench set, so I was ghetto and used vice grips with the right size socket for the the top of the strut+the proper Allen wrench. Not suggested by any means, but if you really want to get the install done lol.
The rear strut/spring wasn't under much tension, but the stock front strut/spring has a "pop" to it when it comes off. I had the strut on the ground with an old rug/towel on it so when the top hat comes off, nothing flew anywhere/destroyed anything. Once again, not suggested, but how I did it.
Lastly, the rear ST coilover is easy to get the top hat on, just lower the height collar all the way down, and there is little/no spring tension. For the front ST coilover/top hat, I suggest having another person help push down on the top hat while you get the nut threaded on the shaft a little bit. If you don't have someone else to help(I did not), you can get a chair and a piece of wood(2x4 is what I used). Place the chair in a safe location, and place the strut in front of the chair. Now, place the wood between the two(the edge of the wood is on the top hat), and sit on the wood. Your weight will help compress the spring, and you should be able to get the nut threaded on a bit. This certainly is the worst of my ghetto ideas, but it worked lol. Use with MUCH caution.

switchlanez 12-15-2013 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 1390733)
Okay, so here's the breakdown.

Bolts and nut for bottom of strut/knuckle are 19mm

Top of stock struts are 12mm(that hold the strut to the car)
The stock rear strut nut is 14mm
Front stock nut is 17mm
Stock hex is 6mm front
Stock rear hex is 5mm


The nut on the top of the ST front strut is 19mm or 3/4
ST allen/hex on the front ST strut is 5mm
ST allen/hex on the rear ST strut is 5mm
The top of the rear ST strut is 16mm


Never said "nut" so many times before lol. I didn't have a pass through wrench set, so I was ghetto and used vice grips with the right size socket for the the top of the strut+the proper Allen wrench. Not suggested by any means, but if you really want to get the install done lol.
The rear strut/spring wasn't under much tension, but the stock front strut/spring has a "pop" to it when it comes off. I had the strut on the ground with an old rug/towel on it so when the top hat comes off, nothing flew anywhere/destroyed anything. Once again, not suggested, but how I did it.
Lastly, the rear ST coilover is easy to get the top hat on, just lower the height collar all the way down, and there is little/no spring tension. For the front ST coilover/top hat, I suggest having another person help push down on the top hat while you get the nut threaded on the shaft a little bit. If you don't have someone else to help(I did not), you can get a chair and a piece of wood(2x4 is what I used). Place the chair in a safe location, and place the strut in front of the chair. Now, place the wood between the two(the edge of the wood is on the top hat), and sit on the wood. Your weight will help compress the spring, and you should be able to get the nut threaded on a bit. This certainly is the worst of my ghetto ideas, but it worked lol. Use with MUCH caution.

:thanks:

And interesting ghetto tips lol. I may just rent a spring compressor, NBD.

continuecrushing 12-15-2013 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 1390876)
:thanks:

And interesting ghetto tips lol. I may just rent a spring compressor, NBD.

That, or I saw someone mention undoing the nut while the car is on the ground so that nothing flies off/uncompress's quickly. Doesn't help too much with the install on the ST however.

As a side note, I raised the rear coilover collar's 5 turns(so my rear are now 20 turns from the lowest setting) and my rear ride height matches the front...3.5" from fender to edge of wheel/rim

armythug 12-15-2013 06:10 AM

Are camber plates needed if you had 18x9.5 +38 all around? I might go ahead and pull the trigger on these. And if so, which plates would you guys recommend? Or could I just get away with crash bolts?

Thanks

continuecrushing 12-15-2013 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by armythug (Post 1391159)
Are camber plates needed if you had 18x9.5 +38 all around? I might go ahead and pull the trigger on these. And if so, which plates would you guys recommend? Or could I just get away with crash bolts?

Thanks


Camber plates are not needed. I am currently running 18x9 +40 with 245/40/18, and I now have PLENTY of room between the tire/wheel and coilover. I haven't done my alignment yet, but I'm expecting to have between -1.5 and -2 camber up front with just the ST coilovers). Camber plates are used when you're trying to get lots of negative camber, or to ensure that you can dial in the exact alignment settings you want. For a dd, you will be fine without camber plates. What's best? If later down the road you want to get camber plates, they'll be a simple bolt on/addition to the ST's. As far as crash bolts go, they work, but I'm not really a fan of them...just a personal opinion.
Hit up Jurrian @ModBargains.com for ordering(great price, AND a forum vendor)

What are your ultimate goals as far as camber are concerned? Unless you need lots of adjustment, you'll probably be fine with the slotted front struts. As far as the rear camber adjustment, you'll need the whiteline rear camber kit or adjustable rear lower control arms(usually the preferred method-and made by many different vendors;stance, whiteline, cusco spc etc). Once again, the rear control arms/camber adjustment won't be needed with the ST's(or any other coilover)...but they would be a nice addition. Again, what are your overall goals for the car? How much do you want to lower it etc etc...

armythug 12-15-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 1391182)
Camber plates are not needed. I am currently running 18x9 +40 with 245/40/18, and I now have PLENTY of room between the tire/wheel and coilover. I haven't done my alignment yet, but I'm expecting to have between -1.5 and -2 camber up front with just the ST coilovers). Camber plates are used when you're trying to get lots of negative camber, or to ensure that you can dial in the exact alignment settings you want. For a dd, you will be fine without camber plates. What's best? If later down the road you want to get camber plates, they'll be a simple bolt on/addition to the ST's. As far as crash bolts go, they work, but I'm not really a fan of them...just a personal opinion.
Hit up Jurrian @ModBargains.com for ordering(great price, AND a forum vendor)

What are your ultimate goals as far as camber are concerned? Unless you need lots of adjustment, you'll probably be fine with the slotted front struts. As far as the rear camber adjustment, you'll need the whiteline rear camber kit or adjustable rear lower control arms(usually the preferred method-and made by many different vendors;stance, whiteline, cusco spc etc). Once again, the rear control arms/camber adjustment won't be needed with the ST's(or any other coilover)...but they would be a nice addition. Again, what are your overall goals for the car? How much do you want to lower it etc etc...

Thanks for the response. I am keen on a drop similar to Mike the snake's car in this thread. I just wasn't sure if I would need camber plates up front in order to achieve that look with 9.5 inch tires up front. My car is mainly for the street. I have work wheels (18x9.5) and Cusco LCA waiting to be fitted. I just need tires and coilovers.

BRZY 12-16-2013 01:54 AM

For the front ST struts, did you guys use the oem spring perch, rubber gasket, or the subaru conical washer? I did the install today minus all 3 of those and there's noise from the passenger side front.

Fizz 12-16-2013 02:26 AM

You don't need to use to oem spring perch or rubber spring isolator for the ST coilovers, but it's recommended that you do get the conical washer. The noise can be from a number or reasons, but firstly check whether the top nut is tightened properly. Did you use a pass-through socket set to tighten the top nuts?

continuecrushing 12-16-2013 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZY (Post 1392436)
For the front ST struts, did you guys use the oem spring perch, rubber gasket, or the subaru conical washer? I did the install today minus all 3 of those and there's noise from the passenger side front.

I just used the oem top hat...no rubber gasket, no oem spring perch, and no conical washer. I've seen it recommended(here on the forum), but the ST instructions made no reference to it. What sound is it making?

Fizz 12-16-2013 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 1392630)
I just used the oem spring perch...no rubber gasket, and no conical washer. I've seen it recommended(here on the forum), but the ST instructions made no reference to it. What sound is it making?

I think you meant the oem top mounts....not the spring perch since these coilovers come with their own spring perch already.

continuecrushing 12-16-2013 06:13 AM

Ahh....my bad lol. It's late for me!

switchlanez 12-16-2013 01:52 PM

Is the upper perch of the front ST coilover shaped to fit with a conical washer between it and the top mount or is the perch already conical/pointy in a way such that a conical washer would be redundant? Also, what hardware cannot be reused besides the front strut/knuckle bolts?

BRZY 12-16-2013 04:23 PM

There is a clunging sound at low speeds only.

The spring perch on the ST has a similar contact area as the washer welded on the OEM spring perch.

TeamZleep 12-16-2013 04:49 PM

If it has a similar contact area, then the washers shouldn't be needed.

My ST's get here Wednesday, I'm debating if I should pick up the subie washer to be safe. Although some guys on here say they don't have it and have no issues....

switchlanez 12-16-2013 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamZleep (Post 1393511)
If it has a similar contact area, then the washers shouldn't be needed.

My ST's get here Wednesday, I'm debating if I should pick up the subie washer to be safe. Although some guys on here say they don't have it and have no issues....

I called ST and they said the washer isn't needed otherwise the instructions would specify it.

TeamZleep 12-16-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 1393882)
I called ST and they said the washer isn't needed otherwise the instructions would specify it.

Nice! Looking forward to the install this weekend. :happyanim:

switchlanez 12-27-2013 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamZleep (Post 1393897)
Nice! Looking forward to the install this weekend. :happyanim:

Did you get them? I'm still waiting for mine because I heard from ST that they're on backorder.

I was having 2nd thoughts about the integrated conical washer. Looks like the ST does have a washer-like protrusion at the top of the perch but I can't clearly see how it compares against the stock perch protrusion:

http://i.imgur.com/rxr75Qb.jpg

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1365027777

Are they identically sized?


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