Interesting snippet from Car And Driver Mag
 

What are your thoughts on this article.

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Subaru needs to fix the chassis so it handles properly. Otherwise, it will soon sell out to those of us willing to put up with the squirming under power. The market for fans of early 911 style handling gets saturated pretty quickly. I'm already getting bored with the juvenile handling of my BRZ.

I saw that when I got my C & D in the mail. As far as I'm concerned they're drinking too much Kool-Aid.

Im sorry i couldnt pass that first word. What???

Praised last year for being a throwbackish stripped down drivers car.

Knocked this year for being a throwbackish stripped down drivers car.


Reasonable inference, next gen frz will be heavier and have more features.

Sucks to be you!

Sounds like they picked some big names to knock to stir up shit which will end up getting them some increased traffic on their website.

meh

Mag world is dying, can you blame them?

Car And Driver never really cared for cars that were under $50K anyways...

I seen this coming before everyone here. They go nuts for a sports car/car the first year then show there true colors by year 2 or 3. The 370Z was a perfect example as it won a lot of mag battles and then they later bitched about it being 200~300 lbs too heavy feeling.

This is officially the most ridiculous comment I have ever read about the twin. Please sell your car immediately.

Otherwise nothing will happen. Most buyers would not even know what your talking about in the first place. It's the same car as when you bought it never changed, you can get bored of a lot of thing. The suspension setup makes it the funnest car to drive in everyday driving, sliding out is fun and extremely easy to correct. If you want to drive it like a race car, mod accordingly.

Can you fit wider wheels and grippier tires to stay happy? I'd have said that nothing handled as good as a Miata for the money until now.

That's why I subscribe to Hot Rod, don't have to read articles from tea drinking, scone eating, pinky finger up db's..................:thanks:

Please don't get that guy started on tires in this thread too.

The Hot Rod guys are INFINITELY more car tech savvy than Car and Driver, Road and Track, Automobile, any other mainstream US automag, that's for sure. The "tech" content in those mags is totally lacking in any kind of scientific content, basically a rehash of what the automakers tell them, complete with all marketing-hype-speak. Wish there was as good a hands-on REAL car enthusiast mag for sports car fans. Grassroots Motorsports maybe?

That's ridiculous... You want a fast car with high limits... Buy a fast car..

The twins are very capable and designed to be fun without high HP and
within reasonable limits.. These cars are refreshing and make more sense in the real world than some high HP car designed for 200 mph runs..
And for the price....

Car and Driver needs to find other topics to discuss. Instead of criticizing the twins why don't they talk about the Genesis instead. The author needs to get their head of their ass. This car is just as popular as it was when it first came out. People still ask me what it is. I love that shit.

Car and Driver -

Knock on sub 30k cars.

Recommend readers 60-80K Cayman S and 2015 M4.

DANG, Suberman ....... I reckon you should of bought a FR-S ..... :eyebulge:

:D

humfrz

I'll buy your BRZ for 2 shoe strings, 1 bubble gum and 3 pieces of butter scotch candy.

Simply said, I disagree with the writers comments. He's entitled to his opinion just as much as we're entitled to ours.

Magazine articles won't change how I feel about my FRS, I still enjoy driving as much today as when I first got it, and I don't think that will change anytime soon!

You realize most of the staff of C&D are former automotive engineers from inside the industry? I'm not sure where you get your info but they don't use any "manufacturers data" for road tested cars. They log all the data themselves.

I see nothing wrong with what they said. Blinded by the handling they couldn't see how average everything else is. Pretty damn accurate if you ask me.

Never said they used "manufacturers data" for road test data. They will take manufacturers hype on whatever features and generally try their best to sell it for them. (not always though, Q50 steer-by-wire they rightly called out as crap)

They are generally cheerleadery shills for the industry, catering to car *consumers* much more so than to enthusiasts. Of course that helps them sell a ton more mags.

They're definitely much more interested in tactile feel of plastics that I'll seldom if ever touch than in genuine underlying car goodness. My impression is that they don't have a lot of hands-on experience tweaking cars, but it may just be that their market is 90% motivated consumers whose primary interest in cars is how they will make others perceive them.

Anyway, I occasionally pick up a copy for a flight, and it always seems more like I've read a big advertisement than anything about the things that excite ME about cars.

Then I'd say their opinion is worth what I paid for it, as in nothing. I knew going in much of the car was "average", but on the whole it's fucking awesome. It seems they are easily blinded by "shiny". Those dolts are probably big fans of the "what do you HATE" thread. If this car had a Lotus badge on it, they'd still be calling it the best cheap car ever, and telling us how awesome the cruder features of the car are, how brilliant and pure the design, focused solely on having fun, like a "real" sports car. Shills, nothing more.

This is a great car for the price. What all the extras go buy a 40k plus sports car. For 25k this car is perfect

agreed. try to buy a brand new car for the same price that is as enjoyable. I couldn't find one. But regardless, i'm very happy with my purchase (of course I am biased because I did get one) but still, being that I haven't had any problems or let downs with this car, I really don't care what any magazine or "expert" says about it.

Not quite

Last year the cheapness and no frills was mentioned plenty in basically all the reviews.

But since the frz was the new Christmas toy that readers were interested in every magazine invested in extra knee pads and mouthwash.

I really don't understand what people expect for 25K in a vehicle...

Nothing much, just cutting edge features, marquee brand luxury, hot rod performance, lotus handling and Prius mpg.

Seems reasonable long as they they don't expect roadmaster cargo volume.

I believe a weak attempt to play off of the 80's game show (Gong Show) where contestants that didn't measure up got "Gonged". (Like today's "X-X-X" of shows like AGT.)

It's writing like this that keep my magazine subscription $$ going to other magazines. C&D is more irrelevant every year... (IMHO).

just seems strange that 25K is considered cheap now

that article isnt even that negative. its amazing how few will even bat an eyelash when someone compares it to a ferrari. then when they say that its average outside of its handling people have a fit.

Because it IS average all of a sudden? "Averageness" was oddly missing from all the reviews. The cool kids are moving on to newer toys.

Bad day, Suberman?

Awe Gees Fellas CD has no clue really; there just trying to sell mags for a dying publication.
LOL. Cut em some slack :-D

But they took it out of context, sort of by not relating it to the designed simplicity of the car, which makes the car! This car is not bloated with options, fluff and filled full of buttons and covered with cow ass
on every surface. It's purpose built to be a sports car and not just another corolla with hard shocks. Now they're complaining about that? Really.. This affordable package.. Look at the next step up RWD performance car and compare the price.. They should be praising the OEM instead. So it's just another opinion of a columnist having to fill voids in a magazine trying to stay afloat.. I respect many of their views and testing procedures.. But this is just useless complaining.

PC- completely agreed. Plus coming from a 2009 tc it has alot more options than that had.

"They should have allocated more money in the features and creature comforts and less in the drivetrain and chassis!"- Said no 86 driver ever.

The only review that truly matters...the one done by yourself. I firmly believe in test driving any car you plan to buy, if the car fails your test drive expectations its no good, if it passed you're probably ready to buy it then.

I found his ID

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