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kh060 12-05-2013 01:02 PM

Boxer engine article for Newbies
 
Here is an article I just found that some of us who don't know all that much about our boxer engine might enjoy reading.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/tec..._engines_work/

trd_kid 12-05-2013 01:24 PM

Although I already knew most of the information the article was surprisingly a very good read! Good find!

Ashybone 12-05-2013 01:37 PM

HOLY SHIT!!!!! STUPID STREET HAD A RELEVANT ARTICLE??!?!?!?!?
:respekt::happyanim::confused0068::clap:
But seriously man, thanks for the post. Good info is always accepted.

vividracing 12-05-2013 01:48 PM

Great article and find. Thanks for sharing.

mxrcmxlendon 12-05-2013 02:19 PM

Thank you! Great read.

On a side noob note, how do I 'thank' someone's post?

Muskokan 12-05-2013 02:22 PM

Perfect read for all us young starter enthusiasts with moderate knowledge.

Thankyou sir, for making that an informative yet entertaining dump.

Manic 12-05-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxrcmxlendon (Post 1370784)
Thank you! Great read.

On a side noob note, how do I 'thank' someone's post?

After you have 10 posts, the forum gods grace you with the ability to show gratitude.

strat61caster 12-05-2013 02:48 PM

Quote:

The design, ... was patented in 1896 and has since been implemented by Volkswagen, Porsche, and most notably, Subaru.
:lol::bellyroll::lol:

Dafuq are they smoking with Subaru being more notable than Porsche or VW. Porsche has almost legendary reputation with their boxers, (they had a 2.0L boxer pushing out 180 hp in 1967, 45 years before our little FA20 could only best it by 20hp)

http://myclassicgarage.com/marketpla...67-porsche-911

VW had sold 21 million beetles with boxer engines before the WRX hit showrooms, saying Subaru is more notable is laughable in the grand scheme of automotive history.

Good article otherwise for those hungering for more info.

mxrcmxlendon 12-05-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic (Post 1370846)
After you have 10 posts, the forum gods grace you with the ability to show gratitude.

I am now motivated, thank you. :clap:

Chee-Hu 12-05-2013 03:16 PM

Great read!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxrcmxlendon (Post 1370925)
I am now motivated, thank you. :clap:

Whore it up with the posting! :thumbsup:

BadLuckZN6 12-05-2013 03:18 PM

nice

suaveflooder 12-05-2013 03:50 PM

Great article!

subwaynm 12-05-2013 04:13 PM

Thanks for the Post some great info there

djmm 12-05-2013 04:53 PM

If you want to read a bit more, here's another one written at the back of conversation from Subaru's guy:http://m.wardsauto.com/vehicles-amp-...-crowd-pleaser

HeubergerMotors 12-05-2013 05:20 PM

Thank you :D!

regal 12-05-2013 11:15 PM

With the D4-s developed in the 90's why haven't they got it right for the FA20 ?

zenabi90 12-06-2013 12:53 PM

Omg thank you !!!!:cheers:

k.houan 12-07-2013 09:15 PM

Good info, thanks!

Aliihussain 12-28-2013 08:12 AM

Thanks! Good read!

raul 12-28-2013 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 1370874)
:lol::bellyroll::lol:

Dafuq are they smoking with Subaru being more notable than Porsche or VW. Porsche has almost legendary reputation with their boxers, (they had a 2.0L boxer pushing out 180 hp in 1967, 45 years before our little FA20 could only best it by 20hp)

This is an extremely narrow minded statement that pays no attention to how much fuel is being burnt to produce those numbers. Try again.

On another note, according to that article everyone should have a longtube catless header and TRD intake, lol.

akuhei 12-28-2013 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regal (Post 1371983)
With the D4-s developed in the 90's why haven't they got it right for the FA20 ?

Haven't got it right? How so? I havent heard of anyone having problems with the port/direct injectors so far, only a chirping high pressure fuel pump which can be found on other direct injection cars and which causes no loss in performance or lack of durability/longevity (at least none which has been found to date). And the D4-S wasnt developed in the 90's, the D4 system was. D4-S appears to have been developed and first used in 2006 or so, if my google-fu is halfway decent. /rant off

Great article, thank you for sharing it, OP

Mad1723 12-28-2013 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akuhei (Post 1416302)
Haven't got it right? How so? I havent heard of anyone having problems with the port/direct injectors so far, only a chirping high pressure fuel pump which can be found on other direct injection cars and which causes no loss in performance or lack of durability/longevity (at least none which has been found to date). And the D4-S wasnt developed in the 90's, the D4 system was. D4-S appears to have been developed and first used in 2006 or so, if my google-fu is halfway decent. /rant off

Great article, thank you for sharing it, OP

I think he's referring to the DI seals problems.

strat61caster 12-30-2013 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul (Post 1416285)
This is an extremely narrow minded statement that pays no attention to how much fuel is being burnt to produce those numbers. Try again.

So a performance car built fifty years ago burned a little more gas than the ones built today so that invalidates their importance in automotive history? I found a Car and Driver test drive review, 14-18 mpg, not bad for something with a better power to weight ratio than what we bought. Interesting read, they used to be so much more technical.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review

I don't know, guess I gotta bite my tongue and not feed the troll.
:bonk:

raul 12-30-2013 06:20 PM

Boxer engine article for Newbies
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 1420083)
So a performance car built fifty years ago burned a little more gas than the ones built today so that invalidates their importance in automotive history? I found a Car and Driver test drive review, 14-18 mpg, not bad for something with a better power to weight ratio than what we bought. Interesting read, they used to be so much more technical.



http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review



I don't know, guess I gotta bite my tongue and not feed the troll.

:bonk:


Now we're getting somewhere. It makes "only" 20hp more, while carrying 500 more pounds and getting double or more MPG. Not to mention the price of the technology at both points in time.

strat61caster 12-30-2013 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul (Post 1420104)
Now we're getting somewhere. It makes "only" 20hp more, while carrying 500 more pounds and getting double or more MPG. Not to mention the price of the technology at both points in time.

I think you're misunderstanding me. This is the statement that prompted my post:

Quote:

The design, which gives the finger to inline and V-type engines and instead incorporates horizontally opposed banks of pistons, was patented in 1896 and has since been implemented by Volkswagen, Porsche, and most notably, Subaru.
I find it absurd that Subaru is more "notable" for using a boxer engine compared to VW who produced the beetle for 65 years and 21.5 million units or Porsche who is one of the winningest auto makers ever at pretty much every level of racing with some of the most highly regarded sports cars ever made.

I doubt Subaru would be half as successful without drawing on the technology VW and Porsche developed decades before Subaru got a boxer engine to a consumer's hands, much less a successful one. I don't mean to downplay Subaru's accomplishments and I'm sure you'll rattle them off (just like the "20 more hp and double the mpg while only being a bit slower").

:cheers:

raul 12-30-2013 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 1420128)
This is the statement that prompted my post:



I find it absurd that Subaru is more "notable" for using a boxer engine compared to VW who produced the beetle for 65 years and 21.5 million units or Porsche who is one of the winningest auto makers ever at pretty much every level of racing with some of the most highly regarded sports cars ever made.

I doubt Subaru would be half as successful without drawing on the technology VW and Porsche developed decades before Subaru got a boxer engine to a consumer's hands, much less a successful one. I don't mean to downplay Subaru's accomplishments and I'm sure you'll rattle them off (just like the "20 more hp and double the mpg while only being a bit slower").

:cheers:

I guess that statement is referring to the current state of the car industry. Subaru is the only one with a 100% boxer engine lineup. While VW and Porsche have some, they're not as head-over-heels for the engine configuration. They use inlines and V-types as well.

strat61caster 12-30-2013 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul (Post 1420140)
I guess that statement is referring to the current state of the car industry. Subaru is the only one with a 100% boxer engine lineup. While VW and Porsche have some, they're not as head-over-heels for the engine configuration. They use inlines and V-types as well.

VW has zero boxers to my knowledge today in their commercial automobile lineup.

Porsche has 3 of their 7 models with boxers: Boxster, Cayman, 993 vs. Panamera, Cayenne, Macan and 918 Spyder. All their sports cars stay true to the boxer layout.

The sentence is pretty clear in it's intention that Subaru is the most prolific builder of boxer engines in automotive applications since Mr. Benz patented it 70 years before Subaru sold a car with one.

chrisl 12-30-2013 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul (Post 1420140)
I guess that statement is referring to the current state of the car industry. Subaru is the only one with a 100% boxer engine lineup. While VW and Porsche have some, they're not as head-over-heels for the engine configuration. They use inlines and V-types as well.

To be fair though, all of Porsche's mainstay sports cars use boxers (911, Boxster, Cayman). Only their price-is-no-object halo cars (Carrera GT, 918) and their sedans/suvs (Macan, Cayenne, Panamera) stray from this layout. I think the fact that they keep it in the cars that they are best known for says that they're pretty into the boxer layout. I agree though that Subaru is certainly the most prolific manufacturer of boxers at the moment (and likely will be for a long time).


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