FT-86 SpeedFactory Catted UEL Header
 

WHY DID I BUY BORLA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

The day after I ordered rev works...


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Woohoo!

Sweet! :party0030: :happyanim:

Dammit lol my header choice keeps changing. Can't wait to see the finished product :)

Interested in price

This and performance gains with and without tune. I am a newbie, can you install this type of mod and use stock tune without problems?

That's the reason it's catted! Now the only reason to get a tune with these headers is for performance gains and not to have to get rid of the CEL. If it's as nice as my V1 catback is, then this should be an amazing product. I have no doubt it will be great.

I'm interested in the sound. Those are more equal than unequal if that makes sense. I'm gonna guess they will sound close to stock. Maybe louder.

That is what I assumed they were talking about, I'm trying to keep from taking any bites that are a bit more than I can chew at one time. Definitely glad to see an option in the works!

Not trying to be mean but who is your welder? Those welds look awful.

They are hand welded, not welded by a machine, which is why they look "messier". I can assure you that their welds hold up pretty darn good, as can others. =)

With that said,
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Been waiting for this all week!

How much I owe ya?

In for more info interesting stuff here....

Yeah, sorry. Hand welded or not, those welds look like crap. Coming from the cycling world, I see hand welded bikes all the time and the welds always look like a stack of dimes.

Also, anyone else see a crack above the weld in the collector?

I like ft86speedfactory but this could use a little more polishing before you release.

It's a prototype and I will change my remark to suit this.

I hand weld allot, on submarines, that's my profession. If I tried to pass that shit off to my supervisor or an inspector they'd pull my qualifications and send me back to remedial training.

Who ever does it could at least do a good job of wire brushing the welds a bit.

You all did see that this is the PROTOTYPE version, correct? The welds on my V1 are fantastic and I would imagine its the same welder. Give it some time!

This is a prototype, and honestly the welds are just as good as anything else out there for this car. Not sure if you have seen Borla or any others out there? What I think you are referring to as a crack is a line drawn with a sharpie since again this is a prototype. We made some marks for measurements cleaned most off and forgot a couple it looks like.

Thank you for the input though. We'll be taking suggestions into the production versions.

A lot of people are running catless headers without a tune. Although not ideal, it is totally fine. This is an even better option because it is catted. You will see power gains and will not get a CEL because the 02 sensor stays in basically the same-as-stock location. So again, tuneless should be no problem. Obviously to see the biggest gains, a tune is required.

Really looks like a solid product! Great work:bow:

at the smaller side of the collector in the second pic it looks like its cracked....

Did you read few posts up?

It's sharpie mark ;)

It's still a prototype

Bora's rolled beads and bouger welds are pretty awful, but come on now. I know it's a prototype, but I wouldn't show that shit to consumers looking to buy your product.

So I can ask you to make me an awesome custom header? ;)

Buy the piping, flanges, and pay for the labor. Yes you can. :D

Screw that! I want a submarine!!!

Honestly I'm not saying there design is bad, I wouldn't really know from that aspect. But with welding like that your better of going with JDL, Revworks, or the open flash headers.

Bro, why you gotta live so damn far! ...well there's a thing called shipping I guess lmao

I can pitch in few hundred bucks lol

nice

Say what you want, still crappy welds.

Why is everyone so rabid to make everything unequal length? Will someone please make equal length?

Maybe you're looking for something like this?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/pictu...pictureid=6698

If you consider a check engine light and the fueling switching to limp mode 'totally fine', I guess so... O2 spacer didn't work for me. MASSIVE difference with a tune, though. The car runs worlds better than stock.


They actually don't look too bad, considering it wasn't done by a machine (and you don't need to pass QC-7 certification to weld up and exhaust). The fact that they're not flat gray shows the person doing the welding kept the stainless the proper temperature while welding. My only critique is that they made so many short 1" welds and some look a tad concave. Could have probably dialed the pedal down or used pulse to control the heat. This IS a prototype, though, so final quality is TBD...

In a perfect world, they'd also cap off the ends and use backing gas to ensure the backside of the welds aren't oxidized. If you overheat the stainless or don't have gas coverage while welding, it instantly oxidizes and cooks off the stainless elements in the alloy (often nickel and/or chromium).

Sounds like you had other issues. Ive been running my car with the Revworks UEL for 3 months without issue. The 02 sensor reads that my CAT efficiency is bad, but it sure as hell did not go into limp mode.

Nope, the O2 sensors just detected that the cat was missing and the O2 didn't look right, so it threw a CEL and put the car into limp mode (CEL lit, no cruise, RICH fueling, soft throttle response). Can't remember the codes off the top of my head.

All is well after Drift-Office tuning. It seems like there is a 50/50 split of people who get no CEL with catless headers and others who do. Considering the added flow of the catless header, it'll be interesting to see how this catted UEL headers compares.

As long as this doesn't cost an arm and a leg... This is what I've been waiting for.

:)

am I the only one who has had no issues running the Borla UEL? I don't get the cel just really loud.

I personally won't run headers without a tune...not only is there possible fueling issues but most of the power comes from the tune.

Not a fan of catted or weld quality.

We'll see what kind of numbers can be had and if the production version has good welds.

Good luck. Nice to see more options.

Best available at the time? Sounds great? Eliminates the TQ dip? Makes very good power? Unmatched warranty support?


Don't kid yourself that any catted header is going to make the same power as un-catted. There are many reasons to choose one over the other but the reasons aren't the same. It's almost apples to oranges.



Not even close! There are far more people happily running the Borla UEL than there are trolls complaining about it. It just doesn't appear that way on this forum because the Borla hating trolls post far more often.

I'm also running Borla UEL's with no tune and I have zero issues, just very loud as well.

You should always tune a car with a performance header. A stock tuned car doesn't really know how to adjust properly to the flow change with just a spacer. Rather than attempting to trick the ECU, which doesn't work 100% of the time, get it tuned and eliminate the risk from the start. You'll be much happier you went that route.

The right runner doesn't look very short either. Do you guys expect a mild boxer rumble vs the other UEL's due to that?