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Fuzz 12-04-2013 05:25 AM

Tuning for 86 in SA CPI - Open Flash units
 
Hey guys.

Check the link below.

http://www.vwgticlub.co.za/forum/vie...236083#p236083

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Nivaan » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:09 am
Hi Guys software available for the toyota 86,
Can do launch control, map switching all via cars managment system and controls.

Also hardware available.

Please Contact us for Pricing.
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http://www.vwgticlub.co.za/forum/sty...ost_target.gifby Nivaan » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:14 am
Open flash unit bud, not ecutek

Special currently is R4500
All controlled map switching, LC, on car obd.

Naughty 12-04-2013 06:28 AM

What are the expected gains at the coast and reef?

Fuzz 12-04-2013 06:33 AM

No idea.

Waiting for more info myself

Td-d 12-04-2013 07:40 AM

Or you could use Ecuflash and a OP2.

Ryan86 12-04-2013 07:55 AM

Is this CPI Tuning? or APR

we have tested the tuning and max gains from Tuning with exhasut 7wkw.
Octane will obviously help any senario.

what interesed me is one of the stock 86 here in Durban got more mains using Octane with an intake, than tuning could.

Fuzz 12-04-2013 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan86 (Post 1367974)
Is this CPI Tuning? or APR

we have tested the tuning and max gains from Tuning with exhasut 7wkw.
Octane will obviously help any senario.

what interesed me is one of the stock 86 here in Durban got more mains using Octane with an intake, than tuning could.

This is CPi Tuning

Ryan86 12-04-2013 08:09 AM

Cool they been working with Anban's car.

they went from 123wkw base to 129wkw on tune, decat header intake mods.
133wkw with Octane booster.
It is Ecutek software being used

GeeTee86 12-04-2013 08:13 AM

Definitions are up on romraider, FYI

Fuzz 12-04-2013 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan86 (Post 1367980)
Cool they been working with Anban's car.

they went from 123wkw base to 129wkw on tune, decat header intake mods.
133wkw with Octane booster.
It is Ecutek software being used

They are using OpenFlash. Pretty sure EcuTek would see better gains.

I am not to concerned with the peak power. Would like to minimize the indent of the torque dip though.... or even eliminate it if possible without doing exhaust headers.

Do you perhaps have Anban's dyno graph ?

Ryan86 12-04-2013 08:19 AM

They are definately using Ecutek as I helped Anban set up his Launch Control.
I saw his dyno chart, this you would have to get from him, but I can tell that the torque dip was not taken away via the tune.

Fuzz 12-04-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan86 (Post 1367986)
They are definately using Ecutek as I helped Anban set up his Launch Control.
I saw his dyno chart, this you would have to get from him, but I can tell that the torque dip was not taken away via the tune.

shot thanks for the info

GeeTee86 12-04-2013 01:05 PM

Anban's dyno
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...204-WA0029.jpg

extreme-86 12-11-2013 05:21 AM

I would rather go with either an Ecutek file or US sourced open source file. CPI is a VW focused company and tuning of these car's ECU's (like the Evo and Subaru) is a lot more intricate than the Bosch ecu's.

Fuzz 12-11-2013 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by extreme-86 (Post 1382843)
I would rather go with either an Ecutek file or US sourced open source file. CPI is a VW focused company and tuning of these car's ECU's (like the Evo and Subaru) is a lot more intricate than the Bosch ecu's.

True.

I would trust someone that can tune a K-series Honda engine via flashpro as that is as intricate as it gets when tuning 4 cyl NA engines (that is, having constant variable valve timing and lift throughout the rev range).

extreme-86 12-11-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzz (Post 1382844)
True.

I would trust someone that can tune a K-series Honda engine via flashpro as that is as intricate as it gets when tuning 4 cyl NA engines (that is, having constant variable valve timing and lift throughout the rev range).

The D-4S system and the phasing of the DI and Port injectors adds a whole new dimension to normal tuning.

Nice to see all the support for this platform though, and I'm also awaiting more news from RomRaider, as I have some experience with Subaru ecu tuning via RomRaider and ECUFlash.

Jacques Blom 12-11-2013 07:46 AM

Can it manange a turbo install ?

s2d4 12-11-2013 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacques Blom (Post 1382915)
Can it manange a turbo install ?

Yes it can, but it is up to the tuner.

sav 12-11-2013 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GeeTee86 (Post 1368374)

Don't you okes have paper in Dirtbin? :bonk:

Ryan86 12-11-2013 11:48 PM

We had the FF dyno,day in Durban on Sun, which we had 4 of us run.
Stock 86 = 119kw we added Torco to the car and then ran again increased to 129kw
86 with DIF and BRZ zorst and Torco = 133kw
86 with cone intake, Powerflow exhaust, CPI tune and NF Ultra = 135kw
86 RMS Sprintex Supercharged, Ecutek Delicious Tuned, Torco = 186kw

Vladror 12-12-2013 01:42 AM

you mean Torco the oil? 10 kw?
i wonder for 2014, what i can do to get the most power gain without a turbo.
There are quite a few tunes out there now, who has which and what's the experience like?

Ryan86 12-12-2013 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vladror (Post 1385064)
you mean Torco the oil? 10 kw?
i wonder for 2014, what i can do to get the most power gain without a turbo.
There are quite a few tunes out there now, who has which and what's the experience like?

Torco Accelorator Octane Booster. The guys used 400ml to a full tank, giving roughly +4 Octane.
If you not wanting to go SC or Turbo, we managed to gain 18wkw on 95
DIF
Header
BRZ zorst
Ecutek tuning
Giving you straight line awesome power.
Keep an eye on the open Flash Tablet, NA tuning getting great results.

Fuzz 12-12-2013 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan86 (Post 1384838)
We had the FF dyno,day in Durban on Sun, which we had 4 of us run.
Stock 86 = 119kw we added Torco to the car and then ran again increased to 129kw
86 with DIF and BRZ zorst and Torco = 133kw
86 with cone intake, Powerflow exhaust, CPI tune and NF Ultra = 135kw
86 RMS Sprintex Supercharged, Ecutek Delicious Tuned, Torco = 186kw

10kw peak gain on OB wow !!! :w00t:

so and exhaust and OB is all you need for solid oomph on a budget without risk of losing your warrantee.

Vladror 12-12-2013 03:08 AM

how much is that OB? for occasional use it might be just what i want...

Fuzz 12-12-2013 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Vladror (Post 1385182)
how much is that OB? for occasional use it might be just what i want...

NF Ultra is around R220 a bottle

Anban 12-12-2013 05:04 AM

Hi Guys

I have to say...After having used OB in my car and then tuning...I would recommend a tune ...You gauranteed optimium power on pump and then if you need more throw in octane...Unless you enjoy the idea of adding octane to every tankful.

Word to the wise..Stay away from NF on our cars..Car responded very well but it cost me a set of plugs...R1400 plus the headache to replace.

Anban

Ryan86 12-12-2013 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vladror (Post 1385182)
how much is that OB? for occasional use it might be just what i want...

RGM Motorsport are the agents for Torco, give them a shout on the cost to ship to CPT.
Torco can go up to +14 mixed with 18L
On a NA car without tune I'd be careful going higher than +4 mix. The cheaper option and also gives around 5wkw gain is Liqui Molly Octane Booster, it's +3 safe and easy to mix can to a tank, whole lot cheaper too.

IMO based on all I've experimented and added mods,
DIF, BRZ zorst, Liqui Molly, of the occasional power, perfect on the coast.

As Anban has mentioned the tune, however he got the same gains using OB, so I question if the tune is worth it. As soon as Anban can produce the before and after graph with CPI tune it will show if the tune can alter the torque dip or not.

As the saying goes each to there own.:search:

extreme-86 12-12-2013 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Anban (Post 1385278)
Hi Guys

I have to say...After having used OB in my car and then tuning...I would recommend a tune ...You gauranteed optimium power on pump and then if you need more throw in octane...Unless you enjoy the idea of adding octane to every tankful.

Word to the wise..Stay away from NF on our cars..Car responded very well but it cost me a set of plugs...R1400 plus the headache to replace.

Anban

Nice SW20 there alongside the 86

Vic_RSA 12-12-2013 06:52 AM

I've run the Liqui-Moly Octane Plus and my car being 100% unmodded. No dyno figures but I will say car was far smoother through the revs. As this is my daily runner I don't use it everyday - much fun when I do though...

extreme-86 12-12-2013 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anban (Post 1385278)
Hi Guys

I have to say...After having used OB in my car and then tuning...I would recommend a tune ...You gauranteed optimium power on pump and then if you need more throw in octane...Unless you enjoy the idea of adding octane to every tankful.

Word to the wise..Stay away from NF on our cars..Car responded very well but it cost me a set of plugs...R1400 plus the headache to replace.

Anban

Which NF did you use ? Blue/Black/Ultra ?

Ryan86 03-15-2014 01:08 AM

Try Liqui Molly octane booster with some Speed Tech.


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