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Myka 04-01-2010 03:27 AM

How much does the subbie boxer weigh? (4 cyl)
 
The engine swap thread made me think of this - please accept my apologies if this has been covered in said thread. I was wondering if there is a site that gives a list of how much popular engines weigh.

Perhaps, there is a site that lists the weight of certain boxer engines, the LS1, and 2jz - popular, often swapped engines.

I googled, but didn't find anything.

NESW20 04-01-2010 04:02 AM

it's pretty light. fully assembled it can easily be lifted by 2 people who aren't complete weaklings, haha. maybe 180lbs??

-Mike

4agze 04-01-2010 05:20 AM

I remember this data base of engines weight, it says the 2.2liter subaru engine is 269lbs
here

http://fixrambler.com/engineweightchart.txt

Tougerenner 04-01-2010 09:21 AM

IIRC when my friend ordered a new short block for his STi the shipping manifest said 98lbs or 89lbs, I cant remember. But under 300lbs sounds about right for fully dressed.

Matador 04-01-2010 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 13245)
I remember this data base of engines weight, it says the 2.2liter subaru engine is 269lbs
here

http://fixrambler.com/engineweightchart.txt


Sounds about right.

Myka 04-01-2010 01:42 PM

Great list :thumbsup:


Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 13245)
I remember this data base of engines weight, it says the 2.2liter subaru engine is 269lbs
here

http://fixrambler.com/engineweightchart.txt


Midship Runabout 04-01-2010 04:28 PM

as for the others, the LS1 is lighter than my cast iron 4cyl and the 2jz is a boat anchor

RegisBou 04-01-2010 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous (Post 13283)
as for the others, the LS1 is lighter than my cast iron 4cyl and the 2jz is a boat anchor

:word:

NESW20 04-01-2010 11:58 PM

the 3S is a bit heavy, but i love the durability of the cast iron block! well, until you start pushing crazy hp numbers and cracking cylinders and stuff.

-Mike

himbo 04-02-2010 12:39 AM

My gripe with a non boxer swap is the change in balance and dynamics of the car. The very compact boxer engine will be mounted very low and behind the front axle- lowering the CofG of the car and thus improving handling. A swap to an inline or V engine will raise the CofG and mount the motor farther forward...

Siriusly.Andrew 04-02-2010 12:41 AM

so it'd be like most cars we drive today, yes? most I4's are mounted right above the front axle, being FWD and all. While I don't agree with putting an inline or V motor in, I don't think it'd murder the car.

4agze 04-02-2010 01:59 AM

is it true a LS9 is lighter than a 13B turbo, thats why FD3S people are swaping them

Midship Runabout 04-02-2010 01:18 PM

^ dont know. that would be hard to believe.
I think they just want this thing called torque

NESW20 04-02-2010 01:31 PM

i've heard that it actually is roughly the same once you add on turbos, intercooler, etc onto the 13b.

-Mike

ichitaka05 04-02-2010 10:52 PM

Let me see I remember, I had some word doc someone wrote while ago on 13B-REW weight speculation...

K, found it!

Quote:

Page 10 of the 1993 Mazda RX-7 sales brochure. The last paragraph on the page reads as follows...

"The net result is a new powerplant, including engine
ancilliaries, exhaust system, and final drive, that is much more
powerful, yet at approximately 320 kg weighs no more than
the previous engine"

Now 320 kg is 704 lbs. (1 kg = 2.2 lbs.)

Part - Weight (Weighed by)
Final drive (differential) - 77.6 lbs.
Transmission (5 speed) - 112 lbs.
Powerplant frame - 22.3 lbs.
Driveshaft - 14 lbs.
Pre-catalytic converter - 22.6 lbs.
Catalytic converter - 33.5 lbs.
Cat-back exhaust - 33.6 lbs.
Total: 315.6 lbs.

704 lbs. - 315.6 lbs. = 388.4 lbs. Close to an accurate weight for a 13B-REW with all accessories.
As for LS9... I have no clue. I'm no good on American sports car specs, so can't help out on that one.

MtnDrvr86 04-03-2010 12:04 AM

well an LS9 is essentially an LS3 with superchager and top mount intercooler, so its possibly pretty close. I think that would be a ridiculous awsome swap in an rx7, if not too much...an LS1/2/3 would be more then enough to begin with, then add the hp/torque of the superchager...*drool* I would love to see one though

ichitaka05 04-03-2010 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MtnDrvr86 (Post 13362)
well an LS9 is essentially an LS3 with superchager and top mount intercooler, so its possibly pretty close. I think that would be a ridiculous awsome swap in an rx7, if not too much...an LS1/2/3 would be more then enough to begin with, then add the hp/torque of the superchager...*drool* I would love to see one though

No... I rather listen to high revving rotary engine.

NESW20 04-03-2010 01:22 AM

it is funny to see an RX7 hammering around an autox course making large-displacement V8 noises, hehe.

-Mike

ichitaka05 04-03-2010 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 13364)
it is funny to see an RX7 hammering around an autox course making large-displacement V8 noises, hehe.

-Mike

American tuner put LS engine in FD...
Japanese tuner put F20C engine in BMW...

BMW318 in F20c engine

4agze 04-03-2010 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 13363)
No... I rather listen to high revving rotary engine.

:thumbsup:
any one seen an old episode of fifth gear when a FC3S beats a australian super car V8 that shoot out was one of my fav. I love the V8's but not on a FD or FC

Myka 04-03-2010 02:43 PM

Are all the boxer blocks made of aluminum? It seems like they should be lighter. I've been doing some research on the nasioc site, but I guess it's hard to compare their engines since it's rumored that the FT will have a reworked engine by toyota/yamaha.

[es vi: eks] 04-03-2010 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myka (Post 13370)
Are all the boxer blocks made of aluminum? It seems like they should be lighter. I've been doing some research on the nasioc site, but I guess it's hard to compare their engines since it's rumored that the FT will have a reworked engine by toyota/yamaha.


Yes ever since the 1st Subarus with a flat four was produced back in 1967 they had always been all alloy.
Remember with a boxer you have two equial sized block halves, 2 x heads, 4 cams etc so would weight a bit more compaired to a alloy inline 4 with 1 head, 2 cams etc.

I would say new engine will be the next gen Subaru engine that will have timming chain?, Virable Valves, lighter shorter, with Directect injection.
I would say toyota would add there fancy DI tech to it. Would they still do new heads for it?

Heres a pic of the prototype next gen Subaru engine...
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...rus/249397.jpg

ichitaka05 04-03-2010 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [es vi: eks] (Post 13374)
Yes ever since the 1st Subarus with a flat four was produced back in 1967 they had always been all alloy.
Remember with a boxer you have two equial sized block halves, 2 x heads, 4 cams etc so would weight a bit more compaired to a alloy inline 4 with 1 head, 2 cams etc.

I would say new engine will be the next gen Subaru engine that will have timming chain?, Virable Valves, lighter shorter, with Directect injection.
I would say toyota would add there fancy DI tech to it. Would they still do new heads for it?

Heres a pic of the prototype next gen Subaru engine...
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...rus/249397.jpg

My boxer engine only has 2 cams instead of 4. lol

[es vi: eks] 04-03-2010 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 13375)
My boxer engine only has 2 cams instead of 4. lol

lol. Well I can do one better since I got a few old skool subbies I got 1 cam :happyanim: nice simple and light weight 1400cc boxer 4 with push rods, twin Carbs a whole 93bhp lol:party0030:

Myka 04-03-2010 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [es vi: eks] (Post 13374)
Yes ever since the 1st Subarus with a flat four was produced back in 1967 they had always been all alloy.
Remember with a boxer you have two equial sized block halves, 2 x heads, 4 cams etc so would weight a bit more compaired to a alloy inline 4 with 1 head, 2 cams etc.

I would say new engine will be the next gen Subaru engine that will have timming chain?, Virable Valves, lighter shorter, with Directect injection.
I would say toyota would add there fancy DI tech to it. Would they still do new heads for it?

:w00t: Should be a fun engine with plenty of potential!

4agze 04-03-2010 08:23 PM

is the 2011 wrx have a 2.0 liter with direct injection?

[es vi: eks] 04-03-2010 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 13385)
is the 2011 wrx have a 2.0 liter with direct injection?

No clue yet.. it mite not be till the 2012 versons come out??? :iono:
As far as I know subaru only has released that pic and a few feactures of the prototype will have at one of the car shows.

Myka 04-03-2010 08:37 PM

I read that there are no engine changes to the 2011 subbies. :(

ichitaka05 04-03-2010 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 13385)
is the 2011 wrx have a 2.0 liter with direct injection?

I think, it's 2.5L for US

4agze 04-04-2010 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 13388)
I think, it's 2.5L for US

In Japan or UK what chassis has a 2.0 boxter engine?

ichitaka05 04-04-2010 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 13389)
In Japan or UK what chassis has a 2.0 boxter engine?

All of em. Just US is the only one that doesn't come w 2L anymore iirc.

Matador 04-04-2010 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze (Post 13389)
In Japan or UK what chassis has a 2.0 boxter engine?

None. They have boxer engines.
























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mrtodd 04-05-2010 01:22 AM

lol


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