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hfcman 04-22-2012 11:15 PM
Jumping ship from FR-S to BRZ
 
Hey guys,

I have pre-ordered an FR-S in Calgary, I think I am at the 6th spot at the dealership. After the recent announcement of BRZ price, I think it would make sense for me to jump ship. To me, the headlights on both the BRZ and FR-S look great.

What do you guys think?

Also, anyone from Calgary?

Thank you!

norm24 04-22-2012 11:21 PM
Considered doing the same thing. Went to one of the largest Subaru dealership in BC and was told they're not going to sell at MSRP, they're only getting 3 (once a month starting May), all 3 already spoken for, and they're no longer accepting pre-orders until further notice.
If you can find a dealership that'll accept pre-orders for summer delivery, put a deposit down but don't withdraw the FRS deposit. Goodluck!

Enemies 04-22-2012 11:52 PM
I would phone around and try to find a dealership that you want to work with. As the above poster said I wouldn't give up your line for the FR-S yet though unless you're certain you want to upgrade to the BRZ. Might be a rude awakening if you find you're not able to get a vehicle after you give up your place in line.

CoryUyede 04-23-2012 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by norm24 (Post 189385)
Considered doing the same thing. Went to one of the largest Subaru dealership in BC and was told they're not going to sell at MSRP, they're only getting 3 (once a month starting May), all 3 already spoken for, and they're no longer accepting pre-orders until further notice.
If you can find a dealership that'll accept pre-orders for summer delivery, put a deposit down but don't withdraw the FRS deposit. Goodluck!
Which dealership is this?..i'm #1 at richmond subaru and my salesmen has told me MSRP is what i'll pay

hfcman 04-23-2012 12:30 AM
I've sent out emails to subaru dealers in calgary, hopefully they will reply me soon.

I love the car, based on the reviews and pictures. But I would be mad paying for the FR-S as I know I would get so much more for just ~$2K at Subaru.

I think the LED, Sat Nav, etc, would add alot to the resell value too.

CoryUyede 04-23-2012 03:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfcman (Post 189414)
I've sent out emails to subaru dealers in calgary, hopefully they will reply me soon.

I love the car, based on the reviews and pictures. But I would be mad paying for the FR-S as I know I would get so much more for just ~$2K at Subaru.

I think the LED, Sat Nav, etc, would add alot to the resell value too.
I think the badge as much as anything else will help the resale value

norm24 04-23-2012 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CoryUyede (Post 189409)
Which dealership is this?..i'm #1 at richmond subaru and my salesmen has told me MSRP is what i'll pay
Wolfe Subaru in Langley.

djdnz 04-23-2012 09:09 AM
Do it, we'll welcome you to the dark side :)

whitejdm 04-23-2012 01:21 PM
To me the price difference between the FR-S and the BRZ is more than worth it. The navigation and headlights alone are a no-brainer for me. I'm getting the Sport-Tech pkg anyways but even base to base the BRZ is the way to go.

CoryUyede 04-23-2012 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by whitejdm (Post 189632)
To me the price difference between the FR-S and the BRZ is more than worth it. The navigation and headlights alone are a no-brainer for me. I'm getting the Sport-Tech pkg anyways but even base to base the BRZ is the way to go.
Agreed. If i were planning to gut everything out to race or just wanted a no frills fun car the frs serves that purpose too

hfcman 04-23-2012 03:49 PM
Hey guys, I have just got a quote from a Subaru dealership in Calgary, on top of the MSRP, there are these charges:

Frieght & PDI: $1,595.00
Locking Wheel Nuts: $ 60.00
Block Heater: $395.00 (Est.)
A/C Levy: $100.00
Enviornment Levy: $28.25
Sound shield, Security Etch & Nitrogen: $895.00
AMVIC Fee: $6.25

+ GST.

Does that sound reasonable? What's the Sound shield, Security Etch & Nitrogen fee???

Thanks!

CoryUyede 04-23-2012 03:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfcman (Post 189727)
Hey guys, I have just got a quote from a Subaru dealership in Calgary, on top of the MSRP, there are these charges:

Frieght & PDI: $1,595.00
Locking Wheel Nuts: $ 60.00
Block Heater: $395.00 (Est.)
A/C Levy: $100.00
Enviornment Levy: $28.25
Sound shield, Security Etch & Nitrogen: $895.00
AMVIC Fee: $6.25

+ GST.


Thanks!
Does that sound reasonable? What's the Sound shield, Security Etch & Nitrogen fee???

Are the tires nitrogen Filled?...Sound shield?..extra sound proofing bs maybe? Security etch must be something related to the VIN and IF it ever gets stolen.

i'm guessing the Enviroment levy has the tire tax tacked in it?

Get them to throw in the lock nuts for free or something...;)

hfcman 04-23-2012 03:56 PM
I've just got another quote from another Subaru dealership in calgary:

2013 BRZ Sport-Tech AT:
MSRP: $30,495.00
Freight/PDI: $1,595.00
A/C, Alberta Tire & AMVIC Levies: $126.25
Admin Charges: $395.00 (includes 36month Tire Road Hazard
Warranty)

Sub-Total: $32,611.25
GST: $1,630.56

Total: $34,241.81


Hmm...it is less than what I have posted earlier from another dealer.

Aznek 04-23-2012 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfcman (Post 189727)
Hey guys, I have just got a quote from a Subaru dealership in Calgary, on top of the MSRP, there are these charges:

Frieght & PDI: $1,595.00
Locking Wheel Nuts: $ 60.00
Block Heater: $395.00 (Est.)
A/C Levy: $100.00
Enviornment Levy: $28.25
Sound shield, Security Etch & Nitrogen: $895.00
AMVIC Fee: $6.25

+ GST.

Does that sound reasonable? What's the Sound shield, Security Etch & Nitrogen fee???

Thanks!
Lol wtf? sound shield, security etching and nitrogen in the tires? The way they classified those fees makes it easy for you to opt out. Just say you don't want that shit.

My god... these subie dealers are crapping all over corporate's generosity.

hfcman 04-23-2012 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aznek (Post 189737)
Lol wtf? sound shield, security etching and nitrogen in the tires? The way they classified those fees makes it easy for you to opt out. Just say you don't want that shit.

My god... these subie dealers are crapping all over corporate's generosity.
I think the "Sound Shield, security..." bs is a standard fee that they have to charge. :mad0260: I will confirm with them.

whitejdm 04-23-2012 04:43 PM
The ONLY extra fees you are required to pay (and the dealership is required to charge) are the AMVIC, A/C, and Tire fees. The "documentation" fee is pure profit and if you're paying full retail for a car you should NOT be paying the doc fee. AMVIC is 35 dollars, A/C is 99 and tires are 16 so that's 150.00 over and above the MSRP and Freight/PDI.

The old trick is to have the documentation fee pre-printed on the bill of sales to give the illusion it's non-negotiable.

Capt Canuck 04-23-2012 04:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfcman (Post 189727)


Sound shield, Security Etch & Nitrogen: $895.00
Wow, what a load of nonsense.
Surely that is some 'negative option' charges to catch out people who don't question things.
Also if that is the first you have heard/seen of those options, that is really dodgy behaviour.

That's enough to make me talk to other dealerships really.

FT86FRS 04-23-2012 05:16 PM
I got mine ordered at edmonton, tire/etch is $395? is that the normal price?

Dimman 04-23-2012 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfcman (Post 189727)
Hey guys, I have just got a quote from a Subaru dealership in Calgary, on top of the MSRP, there are these charges:

Frieght & PDI: $1,595.00
Locking Wheel Nuts: $ 60.00
Block Heater: $395.00 (Est.)
A/C Levy: $100.00
Enviornment Levy: $28.25
Sound shield, Security Etch & Nitrogen: $895.00
AMVIC Fee: $6.25

+ GST.

Does that sound reasonable? What's the Sound shield, Security Etch & Nitrogen fee???

Thanks!
$400 for a block heater is pure thievery.

hfcman 04-23-2012 05:49 PM
Here is the sales manager response to "What is the $895 fee for?"

"The $895 is our value added package that comes with every new Subaru. Since Calgary started using salt on their roads, customers have seen the value in having their investment undercoated to prevent rust from eating away at the floor of their vehicle. It also reduces road noise and harshness by 70%. We also put an acid etched sticker on the paint surfaces of the vehicle to prevent theft. This is a $5000 benefit to you in the event your vehicle is stolen and not found within 30 days. Lastly, we fill the tires with nitrogen to prevent leaks with the fluctuating temperatures in Calgary. It also helps with fuel consumption. In the event you have a low tire, it uses more gas then if your tires were all filled to their rated PSI."

Hmm....I think they are very creative.

whitejdm 04-23-2012 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FT86FRS (Post 189775)
I got mine ordered at edmonton, tire/etch is $395? is that the normal price?
Which dealer do you have your pre-order with?

FT86FRS 04-23-2012 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitejdm (Post 189815)
Which dealer do you have your pre-order with?
at Rally Subaru

Capt Canuck 04-23-2012 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfcman (Post 189804)
Here is the sales manager response to "What is the $895 fee for?"

"The $895 is our value added package that comes with every new Subaru. Since Calgary started using salt on their roads, customers have seen the value in having their investment undercoated to prevent rust from eating away at the floor of their vehicle. It also reduces road noise and harshness by 70%. We also put an acid etched sticker on the paint surfaces of the vehicle to prevent theft. This is a $5000 benefit to you in the event your vehicle is stolen and not found within 30 days. Lastly, we fill the tires with nitrogen to prevent leaks with the fluctuating temperatures in Calgary. It also helps with fuel consumption. In the event you have a low tire, it uses more gas then if your tires were all filled to their rated PSI."

Hmm....I think they are very creative.
Of FFS. Ya I'd definitely try another dealership, that explanation is almost worse than not telling you. What a bunch of nonsense and to put that kind of price tag on it too. Feckers.

You should ask them for proof (ie. pre application, post application decibel level tests) on this 70%road noise claim. Also what the hell is the 'harshness' part? They putting new floaty suspension on while they are at it?

Etching it to hasten recovery, not prevent theft, otherwise they wouldn't have this 30 day $5000 bonus. Hey great my car got nicked, but they haven't found it after a month... I'm getting a bonus! Who pays it and what is the procedure to get compensated?

So the tyres on the car arriving from Japan will be refilled with nitrogen? Ya that's not something you could do yourself, if you could be bothered.

This is a perfect example of why stealerships get that tag. Shake your hand with one arm and stab you with the other.

zoomzoomers 04-23-2012 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Canuck (Post 189849)
Of FFS. Ya I'd definitely try another dealership, that explanation is almost worse than not telling you. What a bunch of nonsense and to put that kind of price tag on it too. Feckers.

You should ask them for proof (ie. pre application, post application decibel level tests) on this 70%road noise claim. Also what the hell is the 'harshness' part? They putting new floaty suspension on while they are at it?

Etching it to hasten recovery, not prevent theft, otherwise they wouldn't have this 30 day $5000 bonus. Hey great my car got nicked, but they haven't found it after a month... I'm getting a bonus! Who pays it and what is the procedure to get compensated?

So the tyres on the car arriving from Japan will be refilled with nitrogen? Ya that's not something you could do yourself, if you could be bothered.

This is a perfect example of why stealerships get that tag. Shake your hand with one arm and stab you with the other.
Are you kidding??? Are dealerships still using this moronic tactic? What's more important, are people still falling for it??? I have a buddy who took in his kid's bike to the dealer for the final signing and asked them to cost the underside of it too, since it could also suffer from road salt. Needless to say, they didn't seem too amused. And no, he didn't get the undercoating. LMAO

Aznek 04-23-2012 08:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfcman (Post 189804)
Here is the sales manager response to "What is the $895 fee for?"

"The $895 is our value added package that comes with every new Subaru. Since Calgary started using salt on their roads, customers have seen the value in having their investment undercoated to prevent rust from eating away at the floor of their vehicle. It also reduces road noise and harshness by 70%. We also put an acid etched sticker on the paint surfaces of the vehicle to prevent theft. This is a $5000 benefit to you in the event your vehicle is stolen and not found within 30 days. Lastly, we fill the tires with nitrogen to prevent leaks with the fluctuating temperatures in Calgary. It also helps with fuel consumption. In the event you have a low tire, it uses more gas then if your tires were all filled to their rated PSI."

Hmm....I think they are very creative.
Lol, then you can be creative too. That clearly is not something that the factory does and since the dealerships have not even received their deliveries yet tell them not to put that shit on your preordered car :D.

ArKiTeCkT 04-24-2012 12:13 AM
Subaru dealers knew that we would pay these "fees" because the demand is so great and as Canadians were used to companies gouging at us(ROGERS). Based on this I believe that most dealers are charging some sort of "fee". Looks like my $500 for admin and registration is looking like a good deal compared to $895. Anyone else have been charged for some sort of unknown "fee".

Dimman 04-24-2012 12:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArKiTeCkT (Post 190072)
Subaru dealers knew that we would pay these "fees" because the demand is so great and as Canadians were used to companies gouging at us(ROGERS). Based on this I believe that most dealers are charging some sort of "fee". Looks like my $500 for admin and registration is looking like a good deal compared to $895. Anyone else have been charged for some sort of unknown "fee".
It's probably not even BRZ exclusive I bet it gets added to any car sale they can get away with.

Dimman 04-24-2012 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aznek (Post 189938)
Lol, then you can be creative too. That clearly is not something that the factory does and since the dealerships have not even received their deliveries yet tell them not to put that shit on your preordered car :D.
+1 Good call for the pre-order guys.

ArKiTeCkT 04-24-2012 07:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 190078)
It's probably not even BRZ exclusive I bet it gets added to any car sale they can get away with.
Come to think about it... it was posted on all the vehicles i found in their showroom..i told him to waive it, and he said its on all vehicles so i v it was standard(first time buyer).


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