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lazyluka 04-22-2012 08:18 PM

New Zealand BRZ Pricing released
 
Sorry if it is a re-post, couldn't seem to find it.

Here is an email I got from Subaru NZ:
Secure one of only 12 BRZs.

This December, only 12 Subaru BRZs are due to arrive in New Zealand. Since you’re a Subaru enthusiast, we’re giving you the first chance to lock one in.

We’re looking to squeeze this unique, Boxer-engined beast in for under $60,000* and, if you’re one of the first twelve to pre-order and pay a $1,200* deposit, we’ll include a personalised Euro-plate and a 3-year service plan. You’ll also be invited to the exclusive launch event, where you’ll be taught all about the BRZ and get to put it through its paces on the track.

Website confirms it:
www.brz.co.nz

Seems like a few are sold already!

AND WTF $60K price tag??? Something tells me I will be importing from Japan.

For you guys in America, at current exchange rates that's about US$49,000

Nardi330 04-22-2012 08:29 PM

and there are already 9 suckers.....

JDM-20L 04-22-2012 08:35 PM

Thats pretty consistent with the rumour of $50K high spec 86 GTS here..

Gotta say that interior is NICE!

davey90 04-22-2012 09:54 PM

lost it while drink tea, when i saw the price for NZ

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BJGC0P3FvR...pit%2Bmeme.jpg

Ballsak2nv 04-22-2012 10:03 PM

Lets not forget the extras to get it over there.

This is not good at all

JFC 04-22-2012 10:14 PM

2 different countries with 2 different pricing structures and 2 different economies.

Ballsak (i still laugh at that every time) is right, would cost more to get it over there and obviously generating a markup with limited supply.

Corolla gx hatch in NZ is listed at 28k while we pay 20k for the accent. Pretty sure our ascent is better equipped but ill check that. Actually a range of corolla is 19990 drive away atm. Plus no 86 to challenge that im aware of.

60k NZ = 47k AU so i say its in line with 40k not 50k. Average 5-7k different in list price + the $ difference = our brother in arms pay a fair chunk more then us. For some reason the WRX has a cheaper list price the AUS but the $ difference balances it out.

If anything i see this as a good thing, partially.

I seen this last week just cant remember if the 60k info was there, pretty sure it was.

Just chill folks, its not the end of the world YET:party0030:

lazyluka 04-22-2012 11:12 PM

I'm just hoping that this is a special offer from Subaru NZ to leech more money out of it and the price will lower after the initial launch (You do get track time, personalized number plate etc). Last time I checked it's around $40K (NZ) to import one new from Japan including all taxes.

JDM-20L 04-22-2012 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazyluka (Post 189373)
Last time I checked it's around $40K (NZ) to import one new from Japan including all taxes.

Do you know if your able to import them there? I know your import laws are quite relaxed compared to ours...

Ballsak2nv 04-22-2012 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazyluka (Post 189373)
I'm just hoping that this is a special offer from Subaru NZ to leech more money out of it and the price will lower after the initial launch (You do get track time, personalized number plate etc). Last time I checked it's around $40K (NZ) to import one new from Japan including all taxes.

For NZ sake i hope your right.

60K v's the WRX 44.5k hmmmm, definately not priced for the general public.

BigM 04-23-2012 12:37 AM

So it's about 3.5k cheaper than an STi in NZ (which is about $3k less than our STi list price). A direct translation of that price over here would mean a touch over $60k... Given that they won't discount it out of the blocks, while you can get an STi for less than that... wow!

I've been wondering whether I'd get a BRZ over a WRX, seems the question is would you get one over an STi, to which I'm afraid the answer is a resounding no for me.

If this is where it's priced here there are three scenarios for the Toyota:
- The 86 is going to be _way_ more expensive than people are expecting
- It's going to have a taxi pack interior (to justify the expense of the Subaru)
- Subaru have utterly lost their minds and view the BRZ to 86 comparison as analogous to comparing the Golf R to an Audi TTR... If this is the case I suspect they will sit in the dealers until the price comes down to that of the 86, as happened with the first batch of Evo's Mitsubishi tried to sell for circa $85k, sat around until they were flogging them off for the price of an STi... People want _something_ of substance to go along with their exclusivity otherwise they'll just buy the vastly cheaper and not that inferior competitor. In this case they're even closer in comparison!

Since in other markets they are priced the same, I would say number one is the likely outcome and the 86 will start at above 50...

I know NZ is not Australia, but to me it's a far more realistic comparison to the US/UK etc like people have been doing...

BigM 04-23-2012 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazyluka (Post 189373)
I'm just hoping that this is a special offer from Subaru NZ to leech more money out of it and the price will lower after the initial launch (You do get track time, personalized number plate etc). Last time I checked it's around $40K (NZ) to import one new from Japan including all taxes.

Could be, but most manufacturers (unless they're bats hit insane or called HSV) don't do massive discounts like that as it annoys the shit out of people who bought before (ask VX/VY/VZ GTS buyers)

The only thing that might happen is this is the only 12 they bring in _ever_ which would almost justify getting something collectable, but not in NZ where it seems pretty easy to import yourself?

Nardi330 04-23-2012 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paros28 (Post 189432)
Europe is in the shits. And contrary to popular belief, Australia is not far behind.


:word:

BigM 04-23-2012 02:31 AM

Yeah true, easy enough to keep the headline price while discounting heavily to actually sell, but it's an odd thing to do with a brand new model?

Palmy 04-23-2012 03:23 AM

NZ gets a price and Australia doesnt?
Well thats it, fuck you Toyota/Subaru. Each day that goes by without a price is like a personal insult to me. Even a fucking back-water, low population, inconsequential country like NZ has a price and release date. WTF?

Palmy 04-23-2012 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nardi330 (Post 189451)
Quote:

Originally Posted by paros28 (Post 189432)
And contrary to popular belief, Australia is not far behind.

:word:

What makes you say that?
The majority of Australian economists seem to think that Australias economy can keep on keeping on indefinately.
Personally I dont agree, but I'd like to hear your reasons?

Nardi330 04-23-2012 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palmy (Post 189470)
What makes you say that?
The majority of Australian economists seem to think that Australias economy can keep on keeping on indefinately.
Personally I dont agree, but I'd like to hear your reasons?

my work deals with a lot of business in different industries and banks.

in reality, only the mining companies are doing well but when overseas demand slows down, good luck to our economy.

JFC 04-23-2012 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nardi330 (Post 189473)
my work deals with a lot of business in different industries and banks.

in reality, only the mining companies are doing well but when overseas demand slows down, good luck to our economy.

Nardi is right, without our resource mining and export we wouldnt be shit.

Although we have enough coal too see our grandkids out doesnt mean the world will need/want it in 40yrs time.

Although going by the rate of Chinese companies buying our coal rich land we are safe for alittle while yet.

The rest of our exports and world offerings just isnt enough too carry the economy the way it is.

We can thank China's steel boom for our good fortunes pre GFC.

We dont have a heap to do with the Euro which is also part of the reason we didnt sink like others, + we dont/havent contributed a tonne like the USA to the war on terrorism which = less spending and/or borrowing.

Thats my rant and its beer o'clock so get too it :happy0180:

BigM 04-23-2012 08:47 AM

While it's true we are in the biggest terms of trade boom since the 50's even if it did unwind the effect wouldn't be catastrophic. Mining doesn't employ nearly as large a % of the workforce as people think (and they like to promote) and you guys are forgetting that if commodities cool (the real reason for our wealth, not proximity or otherwise to Europe) the dollar will plummet, instantly restoring the profitability of manufacturing, tourism and other sectors.

Besides there is a colossal pipeline of mining infrastructure investment already lined up and it will go ahead no matter what over the next decade, that's where the money really flows back into the economy.

Australia is in pretty top shape, the only people who don't like to say so are the opposition who want you to believe it's all going to hell in a hand basket unless they get elected soon...

It is a shame we didn't get proper a MRRT though, that would have been an excellent natural mechanism for helping ease the transition in the economy, but better to rile people up about a 'great big new tax' than do something sensible for the economy... Makes you wonder if any of the reforms of the 80's would get done today, my guess is no.

Wally Simmonds 04-23-2012 09:08 AM

I've just come from NZ and it's certainly a lot bloody better shape than over there, let me tell you!

paros28 04-23-2012 09:19 AM

That's why I said "contrary to popular belief". There is apparent prosperity. However, the federal government, the states, and people are in deep debt. And since Australians do not save enough, the country continues to borrow from foreign sources to keep up the spending habits. Sounds familiar? Europe and the US went down the same path. Except, China still going strong and we can always ship dirt to China. And this can't go on indefintely as mineral resources are non-renewable.

When foreign auto manufacturer look at Australia, they see a relatively high income market and they price accordingly. However, if you look closer you will see that a lot of households are mortgaged to the hilt and many young people are only getting by after paying rent and utilities. And the housing situation is getting worse and worse with a misguided government policy of economic growth by population growth.

It puzzles me how auto manufacuturers over-price their cars in Australia relative to the rest of the world and then declare that there is no or little demand for such cars in Australia. i.e. There is little demand for sports cars in Australia. Mmm... perhaps some fairness in pricing would solve that problem.

lazyluka 04-23-2012 11:49 PM

I don't know about importing to Australia, never bothered to look into it.

If it's so damn good in NZ why do you think we have so many people moving across the ditch? Hmm, maybe were getting rid of all the useless people and making Australia worse while making NZ better. :p


I wouldn't actually recommend this site (there's cheaper options) but it does have the import rules listed:
http://www.japaneseusedcars.com/japa...port_rules.htm
http://www.japaneseusedcars.com/japa...port_rules.htm

LOLz at all the rules in Australia.

I guess that explains how my mate imported his car from NZ. He owned it here for 12 months then took it with him when he moved. Smart.



BTW. I understand Australia's import laws and high prices. They are in place to protect local car companies (ie Holden and Ford). NZ doesn't manufacture car's so we have to import anyway. That's why any Jap made car has an extra tax for Australia, not sure why NZ price is so high though.

Wally Simmonds 04-24-2012 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazyluka (Post 190056)
I don't know about importing to Australia, never bothered to look into it.

If it's so damn good in NZ why do you think we have so many people moving across the ditch? Hmm, maybe were getting rid of all the useless people and making Australia worse while making NZ better. :p


I wouldn't actually recommend this site (there's cheaper options) but it does have the import rules listed:
http://www.japaneseusedcars.com/japa...port_rules.htm
http://www.japaneseusedcars.com/japa...port_rules.htm

LOLz at all the rules in Australia.

I guess that explains how my mate imported his car from NZ. He owned it here for 12 months then took it with him when he moved. Smart.



BTW. I understand Australia's import laws and high prices. They are in place to protect local car companies (ie Holden and Ford). NZ doesn't manufacture car's so we have to import anyway. That's why any Jap made car has an extra tax for Australia, not sure why NZ price is so high though.

To justify bringing it in at all. Most sensible people will just wait a year and you'll be able to pick it up for about 35-40k NZ landed. Why bother buying NZ new when you can just buy one off the net?

It's probably the shittiest thing about AU - the prices on cars. It'd be nice if either the 'local' companies made something I wanted, but alas, that's not to be.

BigM 04-24-2012 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paros28 (Post 189545)
That's why I said "contrary to popular belief". There is apparent prosperity. However, the federal government, the states, and people are in deep debt. And since Australians do not save enough, the country continues to borrow from foreign sources to keep up the spending habits. Sounds familiar? Europe and the US went down the same path. Except, China still going strong and we can always ship dirt to China. And this can't go on indefintely as mineral resources are non-renewable.

When foreign auto manufacturer look at Australia, they see a relatively high income market and they price accordingly. However, if you look closer you will see that a lot of households are mortgaged to the hilt and many young people are only getting by after paying rent and utilities. And the housing situation is getting worse and worse with a misguided government policy of economic growth by population growth.

It puzzles me how auto manufacuturers over-price their cars in Australia relative to the rest of the world and then declare that there is no or little demand for such cars in Australia. i.e. There is little demand for sports cars in Australia. Mmm... perhaps some fairness in pricing would solve that problem.

Actually, federal debt is minuscule and the personal savings rate is through the roof, that's why sectors like retail are performing badly, there's no credit growth, not 'too much'. People are deleveraging. We are nothing like the US or EU in terms of sovereign debt but do arguably have an over valued property market.

The best explanation for our rip off market I've heard is the simplest; as the tariffs were wound down the manufacturers kept the prices around the same levels, increasing their profits...

MarksmanR 04-24-2012 01:03 PM

I wish Holden or Ford would make some sort of sports coupe for Australia. Holden could remake the Monaro, sell the Camaro here or make something completely new. This would really interest me and I would seriously consider buying, especially as it helps the local industry.

pr0j 04-24-2012 07:23 PM

I would have looked at the Cruze if it was rwd :/ Surely they could do something cool with that chassis.

*EDIT* actually no. no I wouldn't lol

70NYD 04-24-2012 08:06 PM

Calibra was a good car, monaro was a little heavy for me (not into v8's)
I heard that they will be discontinuing the comodore soon as well lol

Ballsak2nv 04-24-2012 08:31 PM

Monaro was a 2dr commodore nothing more and now their thinking of releasing the Torana again :thumbdown:

So is anyone on here in this 12 for the NZ BRZ.

Varvs 04-25-2012 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally Simmonds (Post 190164)
To justify bringing it in at all. Most sensible people will just wait a year and you'll be able to pick it up for about 35-40k NZ landed. Why bother buying NZ new when you can just buy one off the net?

It's probably the shittiest thing about AU - the prices on cars. It'd be nice if either the 'local' companies made something I wanted, but alas, that's not to be.

yeah, the housing market, poor infrastructure in major cities, rampant alcoholism and being incredibly racist as a nation all take a back seat to the one true evil of paying too much for cars.

czar07 04-25-2012 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varvs (Post 190945)
yeah, the housing market, poor infrastructure in major cities, rampant alcoholism and being incredibly racist as a nation all take a back seat to the one true evil of paying too much for cars.

yes.

Wally Simmonds 04-25-2012 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varvs (Post 190945)
yeah, the housing market, poor infrastructure in major cities, rampant alcoholism and being incredibly racist as a nation all take a back seat to the one true evil of paying too much for cars.

Way to take my post so literally :P

I've only been here a couple of weeks and those things that you've mentioned are par for the course in NZ as well. Meh

70NYD 04-25-2012 05:54 AM

Wait untill you have been here for a couple of years..


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