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sspkris 11-21-2013 11:26 AM

SSP A960E Transmission Upgrades
 
South Side Performance’s history comes with many years of working in the aftermarket industry around the world. SSP is offering a new and exciting performance parts line up for the BRZ/FRS A960E automatic transmission. These components are another line of SSP products that protect vital drive train parts, to support high horsepower BRZ/FRS’s.

The number one problem that we saw with this transmission is the amount of internal heat it generates. Excessive heat has shown premature wear on clutch friction plates, and warping of the steel clutch plates. Our first project was to build a high performance transmission cooling system.


http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps3abd3a0a.jpg

MAPerformance 11-21-2013 11:44 AM

This looks pretty sweet guys! Do you have any pics of it installed? Our fabricator just purchased an FRS with an auto. I will pass this on to him.

Zach3794 11-21-2013 07:50 PM

How about upgrades for the guys with manual transmissions?

finch1750 11-21-2013 08:19 PM

This is awesome news. While I may be a bit away from needing this, it is definitely in plans for down the road

Jason@DSG 11-21-2013 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach3794 (Post 1345593)
How about upgrades for the guys with manual transmissions?

SSP focuses exclusively on DCT transmissions. There are many clutch/flywheel/short shifter upgrades available for the MT.

I currently run SSP clutches in my 450whp EvoX MR (which has a twin-clutch transmission).

SSP is one of the leading manufacturers in twin-clutch specific technology. Just google their results in the Ralliart, EvoX and GTR platforms.

This is a HUGE move forward in the FRS/BRZ community and will allow the AT guys to run some big power.

DSG will be carrying the full SSP line-up for the AT.

whataboutbob 11-21-2013 08:32 PM

@DeliciousTuning you may be interested in this.

dem00n 11-21-2013 08:39 PM

About time.

So can we get some details?

What temperatures were the modified cars running in the tranny? How much power were they running? What were they running?!

Lonewolf 11-21-2013 08:50 PM

Finally! Now how about that higher-stall torque converter?

Captain Insano 11-21-2013 09:21 PM

Fabulous - love to see things starting to be released for the AT. Thanks SSP!! :thanks::happyanim:

I don't need this yet, but when I get ready to make more power I will be calling.

:burnrubber:

sspkris 11-21-2013 09:28 PM

Here are a few pictures of how the cooler is positioned in the vehicle. Technical data will be available shortly.
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps8e1c69cc.jpg
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psf452c10a.jpg
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psb6fc56e7.jpg
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psc40e0b0c.jpg

Captain Insano 11-21-2013 09:40 PM

I placed this thread info in the AT thread!

sspkris 11-21-2013 09:48 PM

These clutch plates below came out of a BRZ with around 3000 miles on it. As you can see the primary clutch plates are burned up. This BRZ was outfitted with a turbo charger. You can see what the high heat and added horsepower is doing to this transmission.
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps1b7eb743.jpg
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psb1107692.jpg
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps46d19486.jpg
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps3387ba82.jpg

Brianjoy77 11-21-2013 10:20 PM

What kind of power will the transmission with cooler hold?

Jason@DSG 11-21-2013 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianjoy77 (Post 1345903)
What kind of power will the transmission with cooler hold?

A transmission cooler has nothing to do with power...more power generates higher temps if that's what you mean. On that note:

The SSP coolers are able to keep temperatures down in race applications on very high hp EvoX/GTR's. I'd imagine they will be just as efficient for cooling in this application.

pche 11-21-2013 10:57 PM

Hmmm..... All these on top of the "man pedal delete".....

Jason@DSG 11-22-2013 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pche (Post 1345969)
Hmmm..... All these on top of the "man pedal delete".....

Welcome to the party

http://www.caradvice.com.au/127796/l...nual-supercar/

SmsAlSuwaidi 11-22-2013 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG (Post 1346138)

Really hate reminding my self i cant get a ferrari or a benz with a proper clickti clack gear box anymore :brokenheart: even with the amazing technology provided, i can assure you guys nothing feels as good as rowing through a proper gearbox

mid_life_crisis 11-22-2013 12:16 AM

Do they have plans for firming up manual mode?

continuecrushing 11-22-2013 02:43 AM

Hmm, nice to see more options for our platform

Tye300 11-22-2013 02:58 AM

Great news! Glad to see SSP push through with this!

Jason@DSG 11-22-2013 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tye300 (Post 1346385)
Great news! Glad to see SSP push through with this!

It's been a lonngggg time in the works lol. There are still no pricing or final details out however.

zooki 11-22-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG (Post 1346138)

Little bit of a difference between those transmissions and the "slush box" in these cars though...

mid_life_crisis 11-22-2013 10:13 AM

That is one nice looking kit.
I predict a lot of jaws dropping when the price comes out.
That much goodness is not going to be cheap to produce.

Jason@DSG 11-22-2013 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooki (Post 1346644)
Little bit of a difference between those transmissions and the "slush box" in these cars though...

Haha! Agreed, however adding these SSP parts and being able to up the power/hopefully AT tuning, you should really get things going.

My point was, almost all cars are going to be DCT/CVT in the near future.

I completely agree about the "fun" factor with a MT but performance can never be matched with a DCT. The time difference between shifts, even a good MT shifter, is huge over 6 gears.

sspkris 11-22-2013 01:53 PM

SSP A960E Modified Torque Converter
Stall is raised 500-700 RPM above factory specifications, thus helping to get the turbocharged BRZ/FRS's off the line quicker.
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps131150b9.jpg

A960E Torque Converter Specifications:


Line pressure (Fluid temperature): 50 to 80°C (122 to 176°F)
Engine idling

D position
350 to 430 kPa (3.6 to 4.4 kgf/cm2, 51 to 62 psi)
R position
480 to 590 kPa (4.9 to 6.0 kgf/cm2, 70 to 86 psi)
Line pressure (Fluid temperature): 50 to 80°C (122 to 176°F)
At stall speed (Throttle valve fully open)

D position
1230 to 1350 kPa (12.5 to 13.8 kgf/cm2, 178 to 196 psi)
R position
1400 to 1620 kPa (14.3 to 16.5 kgf/cm2, 203 to 235 psi)
Engine stall speed
D position
2540 +/- 150 rpm
Time lag
N D position
Less than 1.2 seconds
N R position
Less than 1.5 seconds
Engine idle speed (A/C OFF)
N position
650 to 750 r/min

sspkris 11-22-2013 02:03 PM

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psc8f1b5cf.jpg
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psfff84c3d.jpg

SmsAlSuwaidi 11-22-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG (Post 1347028)
Haha! Agreed, however adding these SSP parts and being able to up the power/hopefully AT tuning, you should really get things going.

My point was, almost all cars are going to be DCT/CVT in the near future.

I completely agree about the "fun" factor with a MT but performance can never be matched with a DCT. The time difference between shifts, even a good MT shifter, is huge over 6 gears.

I kind of disagree with that. The DCT is still not refined and has some way to go. The weight and the getting into first gear are always things I hated on MOST Dcts.(and I've tried a lot )


Sent from my IBrick

Tye300 11-22-2013 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG (Post 1346610)
It's been a lonngggg time in the works lol. There are still no pricing or final details out however.

Awaiting the announcement! Just glad the AT owners got some great mods coming.

Jason@DSG 11-22-2013 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi (Post 1347138)
I kind of disagree with that. The DCT is still not refined and has some way to go. The weight and the getting into first gear are always things I hated on MOST Dcts.(and I've tried a lot )


Sent from my IBrick

I disagree with that lol...

I'm running a hair over 3 seconds (3.15) 0-62mph with my DCT. First gear has no delay and shifts are REALLY hard. Like neck snapping each shift unless I'm WOT. That's actually not even with "true" launch control either. I have proper launch control installed now and I'm hoping to break the 3.0 second mark for 0-62mph next spring :D

It's all about tuning, particularly in the SST (EvoX/Ralliart/GTR world). Once tuning is available for the AT on this platform, it'll be very potent.

Freeman 11-22-2013 03:06 PM

The cooler looks like a great piece. At the moment Is there any plans for stronger internals?

sent from my locker... help!

SmsAlSuwaidi 11-22-2013 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG (Post 1347249)
I disagree with that lol...

I'm running a hair over 3 seconds (3.15) 0-62mph with my DCT. First gear has no delay and shifts are REALLY hard. Like neck snapping each shift unless I'm WOT. That's actually not even with "true" launch control either. I have proper launch control installed now and I'm hoping to break the 3.0 second mark for 0-62mph next spring :D

It's all about tuning, particularly in the SST (EvoX/Ralliart/GTR world). Once tuning is available for the AT on this platform, it'll be very potent.

I'm not talking about shift times, my stock F1 trans shifts pretty quick and I do 3.x with it stock. What I meant is going into first is clumsy it's something hard to explain in words but if you work with DCT you should know. It's like your in natural and then you get into first suddenly. Happens with the PDK and the ferraris F1 a lot but not that concerning with the golfs Dsg.

Weight though is still an issue of dcts


I'm not a hater ofc DCT don't get me wrong, I love my Ferrari gearbox but it's sad to not have that interaction with your car


Sent from my IBrick

8686 11-22-2013 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sspkris (Post 1347060)
SSP A960E Modified Torque Converter
Stall is raised 500-700 RPM above factory specifications, thus helping to get the turbocharged BRZ/FRS's off the line quicker.
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps131150b9.jpg

So what is the factory stall speed?

Would this benefit NA cars?

white devil 11-22-2013 10:59 PM

This is a must for me!!

whataboutbob 11-23-2013 01:54 AM

This AT mod pron must be censored from the Internets. My wallet is crying for mercy after each post showing upgrades for my AT.

:drool:

Captain Insano 11-23-2013 09:21 AM

Ditto that. I will be staying NA... And I have been fighting the modification bug, but seeing this stuff for the AT and also considering my plans for a final drive change has my savings account nervous about losing some weight. I think this AT is already awesome for a slushbox AT, very sophisticated "do-it-all" trans for lazy daily driving but also aggressive shifts in sport auto or manual mode. Couple what I already consider a great AT with the SSP mods coming and a 4.88 final drive with these AT gear ratios, my mouth is watering.

sspkris 11-23-2013 11:24 AM

So what is the factory stall speed?

Would this benefit NA cars?

The BRZ/FRS have a factory stall of 2540 +/- 150 rpm
A stall would benefit both a turbo or N/A car.

chiefshayan 11-24-2013 07:28 AM

YEEEEEEEEESSS!!!!!!!! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

I know the FRS/BRZ automatic tranny market isn't as big as the gtr, m3, and porsche pdk system, BUT just want to thank you guys for developing these gorgeous parts that I will definitely purchase when released.

One question, do you think that this transmission will ever have the ability to be launched from a dig safely? Of course down the road when you and other companies (hopefully) put out parts for the automatic in the future?

Lonewolf 11-25-2013 01:10 PM

So, anything other than the cooler and torque converter on the way? :bellyroll:

Ross 11-25-2013 02:41 PM

I am curious if you have upgraded a valve body yet for quicker shifting and if so how has the trans controller dealt with it? Have you messed with modifying any pressures yet as well? Higher flow solenoids?

feldy 11-25-2013 03:05 PM

Sure wish @EcuTek sees this and changes there mind from the tuning front.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG (Post 1347249)
I disagree with that lol...

I'm running a hair over 3 seconds (3.15) 0-62mph with my DCT. First gear has no delay and shifts are REALLY hard. Like neck snapping each shift unless I'm WOT. That's actually not even with "true" launch control either. I have proper launch control installed now and I'm hoping to break the 3.0 second mark for 0-62mph next spring :D

It's all about tuning, particularly in the SST (EvoX/Ralliart/GTR world). Once tuning is available for the AT on this platform, it'll be very potent.



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