Why would you buy frs over BRZ?
 

BRZ comes with NAV for $500 more.

yea but also an ugly bumper and riculoud dealership markups. not to mention low supply for high demand.

the scion is lighter, with a username like Miata I would think you would agree.

Agree that the BRZ is compelling from price for what you get standpoint. The nav and headlights are definitely upscale.

Why am I going for FR-S? I think the front of the FR-S looks better than the BRZ. The BRZ nose looks like someone stuck a big piece of plastic there. I like the simple climate controls on the FR-S. My current car has auto climate controls and it's a pain in the butt with five buttons pushed to do anything different.

OTOH, if I hadn't gotten in to the First 86 program, I'd definitely be taking a closer look at the BRZ. My wife would love the leather heated seats. I'll probably have to upgrade my FR-S to leather heated seats at some point.

Because I trust Toyota to honor their warranties more. Student rebate, and my nearest subaru dealership is in a different county. and that county's sails tax is 1% more. Scion also has two years service included.

With the destination costs factored in, you are looking more at around 1250-1300 or so more. If HID and NAV are worth that much more, and you don't mind a less neutral car out of the box, the Subaru may be for you. I am quite fond of the FR-S myself. Probably can't go wrong either way.

Why would I want a Navigation? I know how to get around town where I live.

Besides. Have you seen the front end of that BRZ? :barf:

brz site price doesnt include destination, its anywhere between 1000-1300 more depending on destination

i want the frs more because of, suspension damp and tuning, trd parts, i dont want nav, and it has a 300 watt stero compared to the 196 watt system in the brz, I can get digital HID's and lenses for about 300 and buy the subwoofer option for 500 and have 200 bucks left over to tint the windows...

Don't want Nav, don't like the front bumper - that's about it.

NAV? Really? More than 50% of cell phone users now have "smart" phones. Which means GPS and maps that are UPDATED AUTOMATICALLY, on a PORTABLE piece of hardware that you are going to buy anyway, that you are going to already have in your vehicle, and is going to be upgraded about every two years with a faster, better looking model.

Why anyone would want a NAV in their car that, after two years, is going to have crap graphics, crap scratches, and cost you money to update is beyond me.

I'm going FR-S because it DOESN'T have a NAV, regardless of the price.

It's not just the Nav. and HID headlights, it’s also the LED fog light strips, higher grade cloth seats, and leather handbrake lever. I think the car is more Subaru than Toyota. It's built at Subaru's factory, 95% of the car uses Subaru parts. Better/more mature look than the FR-S (that's my subjective opinion of course). Mechanics at Subaru have more experience working on/maintaining boxer engines than a Scion mechanic.

I do like the white tachometer, black plastic dash trim, and the airbag cover on the steering wheel on the Scion.

$1000 college grad rebate. you can't go wrong with either one, but i can't say no to free money.

The main reason go to with the BRZ is the HIDS. It will be crazy expensive to add them to the FR-S. This is the main thing that Scion screw us on. I am ok with the cheap looking radio and seats. But damn HIDS baby. You got LED taillights but Halogen headlights? Come on Scion\Toyota! Oh and $850 for the Bespoke? Get our of here Scion!

We already know you could have added HIDS, since the BRZ comes with a real Navi and HIDS for only $1311 more. But hey, it is what it is....we got short changed.

Actually the BRZ is going to be cheaper than the FR-S, because later in the year or early next, you will be able to use the VIP discount and get the car below invoice. You will never get the FR-S below sticker price because of the Scion Pure Pricing.

We also don't know if the FR-S is going to be lighter or faster than the BRZ because we don't have that information yet. But if it is, then the FR-S is the way to go.....

Any why is there a NAV is all BRZ models? Crazy yo!

I think the most common reasons people buy the FR-S include just preferring the styling, not wanting to spend more/not being interested in the BRZ's extras, or BRZ's are too hard to come across in their area.


I went with the BRZ myself. Having seen it in person, I like the front end of the car more than the FR-S, not by a lot, but I prefer it. I used to know one of the best headlight retrofitters in the country and have a custom retrofit in my current car so I absolutely wanted HID's. Just so happens the BRZ's headlights are right up my alley styling wise. Plus I am well aware of how much it costs to retrofit a set of headlights the right way, and how hard it is to nail the styling on them. The nav unit in the BRZ looks decent and is a nice bonus. I am not sure if the interior in the press is the one we will see on the production FR-S but if it is, I prefer the BRZ's more reserved take. If I had the choice I might prefer the FR-S' suspension setup, but my stock suspension probably won't stick around for long anyway so it is somewhat of a moot point.

I can understand why people might not care about some of the BRZ's features. I myself went with the premium since I didn't care too much for the limited's features other than keyless entry, the fact their center console looks better, and the seats being heated. I personally hate automatic climate control, didn't find the BRZ's leather interior to look that great, I think the push start is a bit silly on a manual transmission car where you apparently still have to push in the clutch, I like the spoilerless look better, and I think the lower grills on the USDM models look really cool without fogs.

As for the folks who weighed the BRZ's added features over the FR-S... HID's are nice but not necessary, and while nav is cool it will end up dated before the car is.

It's $770 to the continental/contiguous United States.

We've been around this many times on the forum. It comes down to personal preference and where you live and/or drive. Cloud NAV works great for a lot of folks, for others, not so much.

I can say I much prefer dedicated NAV to a smartphone. I use my phone as a phone (hard to believe, I know) and it seems I'm always on a call just as I need the NAV function the most.

i bet i could get a clean professional HID conversion job (done by yours truley) for 300, i bet i could even make them auto leveling with a height adjustment for 450 :P

your going to have all that nice stuff, lol hd radio on a 198 watt system... it wont sound any different than any other system

I spent two years at a company that manufactured industrial HID fixtures. HID does not impress me. Halogens don't either.

why? because you like to split hairs.

This is a very educated response that I agree with, but I really appreciate the looks of the FR-S a little more and am willing to look into 86 headlights from Japan. I prefer the more aggressive nose.

I also can fall into the College Graduate rebate, but the FR-S is ineligible to receive the savings as of now. If Toyota updates TFS to allow the FR-S, then great. Regardless of rebate, I am all in on the FR-S and have secured outside financing.

Clearly you can't read. The thread is asking why people are buying the FR-S not why (in your opinion) the BRZ is better.

The Invoice on the BRZ is still higher than the base FRS, so No, the BRZ won't be cheaper.

Why am I buying the FR-S? No dealer BS, It's a better looking car (the BRZ front end looks awful imho), and I'm saving over 1300 for the car (not counting subaru dealer markups).


Also, can we please stop the pissing contest as to who's car this is? It's the same effing car. It's as much Toyota as it is Subaru. Yes... It was built at a Subaru plant, but so are most Camary's in North america, and technically Toyota owns about half of Subaru, so that means half of Subaru's input is Toyota.

The Car contains Subaru parts, that Toyota helped engineer, as well as Toyota's DI technology, and styling. If you love the car for it's look.. guess what that's mostly Toyota's input. If it were designed by Subaru completely it would be heavier, AWD, have a higher center of gravity, and look like a refrigerator box on wheels.

Don't want NAV, could care less about HID and like the front of the FR-S better.

In Canada the decision will be a no-brainer.

FR-S: $25,990
BRZ Premium: ~$30-32k (based on Subie Canada past practice)

'Nuff said.

Actually Toyota only owns 16.5% of Fuji heavy industry (Subaru) far from 1/2. The direct injection and transmission is from Toyota and that's about it in terms of mechanicals of the car. Design wise both models are 90% the same so I wouldn't say it's more Toyota or Subaru. Heck Ferraris are designed by Pininfarina does that mean all Ferraris are Pininfarina? It's like when Dodge was selling rebadged Mitsubishi Eclipse as Eagle Talon. I'd rather buy the Mitsubishi version.

I stand corrected. I thought the number was higher.

Toyota worked with Subaru durring the mechanical design phase despite it being mostly Subaru parts. At one point it WAS an Impreza framework, but since the original mule it's been heavily modified to be lighter and smaller. At what point is it no longer an Impreza part but a "toyobaru" part.

The bottom line is the car was made by BOTH companies, and the car belongs to both as well hence the ability to buy a BRZ or a Ft-86. The whole "who made it" argument is pointless.

I prefer the more aggressive styling over the BRZ. Plus i have a particular hard on for toyota. Also i could care less about the luxury grandpa extra's that come with the BRZ. I have a smart phone for most of the stuff that includes. If i wanted to show off money id buy a BRZ limited, but im young and prefer to flex my e-pen.

If you want to show off money you wouldn't be driving either haha.

That pretty much sums it up for me. Add, don't care about leather to my list, prefer cloth seats.

last time i check, they tax you on auto sales based on the city that you have on your driver licences.

As others have stated, I'm not all too interested in the Nav, HID, and I like the front end.

Though the limited availability of the BRZ in my area was also a factor, as I was able to secure the #1 spot at my local toyota for the fr-s.

Getting a car sooner sans the extras I didn't really want to begin with? Sounds good to me.

I will say two year maintenance is moot.....I'll do it all myself.

I like the FR-S front end better, don't want NAV, like the cheaper price, more Toyota dealerships in town (for servicing), free 2–year maintenance plan.

In that case I am still good, the scion dealer that I am buying from is where I live. :respekt:

My friend that works the device desk says they are more likly to honor warranties if you do all of your scheduled service at the dealer. I know with my GT-S Toyota fixed bent valves and replaced bad gears in my transmission.

Between the two anyway ;)

As long as you have the receipts showing you followed the service schedule laid out in the manual, where you have the service done (provided it is a legitimate shop) cannot be considered when making a warranty claim.

??? That is mis-information.

The college graduate program DOES apply to the FR-S.

Toyota is the largest shareholder of FHI, they own over 4 times more than the next largest shareholder, The Master Trust Bank of Japan, LTD. So, in essence, if one were to ask who owns FHI, you could say Toyota.

It's been beaten to death that pure pricing does not equal MSRP. There will be Scion dealers who'll mark up the FRS. Few members have already confirmed this with their local dealer.

When Toyota has 50.1% of FHI share then I would consider Toyota owner of FHI, until then, doesn't matter if they are the largest outside investor, they are still have no control over FHI.

Lol so many react to the front bumper of the BRZ but they don't know that the aftermarket for the car is going to be big. Also, whatever fits on the BRZ fits on the FR-S, and vice-versa. So, I don't understand how the exact same car with better features, except for a different bumper design may throw a customer off...

Well, more BRZ's for the rest of us :D