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"Seventy percent of BRZs sold are equipped with a manual transmission."

not really saying MT is better than AT here.
but to note that we, as enthusiasts, showed the manufacturers that there are still market for MT option.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...on-doomed.html

Damn right. There's no substitute for a clutch and shifter.

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I wouldn't be driving this car if Subaru didn't offer a MT. It adds to the driving experience.

If you don't have a notchy second, you don't have an 86.

couldnt have said it better myself!

this needs to be stickied.

I'm that 30%.... :|

and that's totally fine man.

i drive a manual, and i still see the benefit of having AT
:)

I would have paid $1500+ more for Double clutch transmission than the manual I have... too bad it wasn't an option. Having 2 cars with notchy makes me tired to drive a manual...hoping to fix that soon with the stuff I bought.

Hey it was my first manual as well. Had it a week and a half and I'm getting pretty good! Half of the fun for me is it being my first stick.

I wish I could un-learn how to drive a manual just so I could enjoy the learning process again. Still haven't gotten into heel-toe'ing, so at least I still have that ahead of me.

But had Subaru fit a shorter final drive ratio to allow the automatic to accelerate as quickly as the manual I think a lot more buyers would have opted for an automatic.

Manual gearboxes are disappearing rapidly, and with good reason: they are too slow.

An 8 spd torque converter automatic using similar ratio spread to a 6 or even a 7 spd manual is going to be significantly quicker.

This is why Porsche, Ferrari and McLaren all fit DCT transmissions. Torque converter transmissions are actually better yet for road driving as they are smoother and lighter than DCT for the same torque capacity.

Who buys an 86 because it's fast?

Here for the experience.

I've owned maybe a half-dozen vintage manual sports cars and absolutely loved them. But for the FR-S, I had to go with the six-speed automatic. The zero-feedback fly-by-wire clutch just took all the joy out of the experience for me. Shifting the notchy gearchange and operating the tall clutch just felt to me like a tedious chore. So I opted for the "Starbucks latte on my way to work" model. I loved the car, I just couldn't bond with the modern manual. :-(

The automatic is significantly slower than the manual, so why make it slower than it has to be?

wat

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Love this video haha

Learned manual on this car, don't regret buying MT at all, very fun to drive and actually prefer driving a manual :D Next car has to be a MT as well!

Nothing against AT by any means but.........................


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Had to go MT, wife cant drive MT so long trips i keep my baby safe in the garage lol

The 5-60mph time is nearly identical. But once again who gives a fuck about 0-60 in this car for the love of god....

I'd be faster around a track with an auto but this is my DD and only car so

:burnrubber::burnrubber::burnrubber:

After first driving this car as MT i was so happy on how much easier it is to drive than other MT's.. The feel is just perfect.

I came from a manual '05 Impreza, and a '98 SE-R, the clutch and shifter combination in the BRZ is light years better than what I had been used to. The Impreza had an even longer clutch travel, heavier clutch feel, long throws on the shifter that are vague and notchy in almost every gear. But once I got used to it, I don't even think about it.

I personally think the clutch and shifter combo in the BRZ is among best of anything I've driven, and I've driven Integra Type-R, TSX, Lotus Esprite, etc. Lotus Esprite from the '90, which had the heaviest clutch and most terrible shifter of anything I've driven. Clutch and shifter is just one of those things to get used to, and it's not hard for me to get used to the ones in the BRZ.

As for Autos, I would not pay more money to have less fun. But my wife would pay more money to do less work. So it all depends on your perspective.

MT = Theft Protection

To add, majority of drivers regardless of make of car are pretty lazy when comes to learning how to drive and don't care to learn. They just want to get from A to B in the most comfort and ease! Also, the majority of drivers as a whole don't find driving enjoyable like generations before us had as they are being forced to drive to work greater distances because they can't afford to live closer, and combined with a few other variables - driving has officially become a chore!

my requirements for a car was that it MUST be rwd, and stick. i had fwd and auto before, and i ended up using the manual mode on it most times..
of course it's slower to do ti that way, but it's not the speed that interests me..

I just hope they realize it's MT BEFORE they break my window....

It doesn't help that roads haven't kept up.
Even the twistiest road becomes a chore when it's bumper to bumper...

But that's a whole other issue.

I feel much more connected to the road and the car with a manual. When I do drive an automatic, I really miss my manual gearbox....

FYI the clutch is hydraulic just like most cars built in the last 40 years, not 'fly-by-wire' which implies an electronically actuated system like the throttle. But that doesn't change how you feel about it, sounds like you made the right call for yourself.

:cheers:

Oh. Right. Thank you. That's what I meant. :-)
It's not my first hydraulic clutch, but it IS my first without a throttle cable. I wanted so badly to like it, but the fun just wasn't there. I'm already pining for another Fiat/Lancia/Alfa, so hopefully I will be thrashing another happy little Italian inline-four in the not-too-distant future. Between the two choices I was given in the FR-S, I just had to take the automatic. :-(

Just makes the auto a rare car....................Anyway after driving an STi for 8 years for me it was time to go auto!!!!!

Sorry but I won't buy a MT car again. My last was a then new MR2T which I always walk with a limb after a long drive sloughing through LA's parking lot freeways.

I definitely echo the sentiment about paying extra for a DCT type but so far the AT on my BRZ is outstanding. I go through 3 modes on my daily 40 mile commute. It is left in D in mindless freeway, switched to manual shift in the canyons and then progress through paddle shift on the last part when the curves gets tighter.

The ONLY issue I have with the AT is when I forget I'm still in manual shift mode, the road straightened out and I can't hear the engine because my music is too loud. The only clue is when the car doesn't move any faster and I realize I'm bouncing off the redline. I need to fix the shift light thingy.

You may want to do some math to get a better 'picture':

X divided by Y times 100 equals Z - percentage of manual transmissions per year.

X/Y x 100 = Z

Given:
Y equals the number of cars manufactured per year.
X equals the number of manual transmissions sold with
1. All cars, OR
2. With just the FR-S/BRZ the car.
Z equals percentage of manual transmission sold per year.

UPDATE:
2013 total production for the BRZ (automatic and manual): 8000 vehicles (X,2). A generous estimate.
World production (2012): 84,000,000 (Y)

8000 divided by 84,00000 x 100 = 0.009 % That's about one one hundredth of one per cent the amount of manual transmissions of BRZ vs the world. and less if brz automatics are not included in the math. So "70%" don't mean much more than one titmouse dropping.

The 6MTs don't have freakin hill assist do they?
My Camaro made me feel like a noob all over again. The hill assist on that car sucks horribly and I wish it death.

Honestly I should get the auto since my knee locks if I push the clutch in all the way then it has to pop to bend again which hurts (had surgery on it) buuutttt when test driving the auto it sucked.. I've owned one automatic and that was my Audi I traded for the Camaro. It wasn't bad... But I missed the clutch.

Yes sir! I used to hide my keys when I left for a few days. Now I just let them sit on the dresser without any concerns.

Nope, you just have a clutch with a ridiculously unintuitive bite point. I have terrible knees as well and can fully operate the clutch using only my ankle. Car being the first manual I've owned doesn't help either.

Ideally, you should set your seat position so that your knee isn't locked when you have the clutch fully depressed. If your knee is fully straightening out when using the clutch, you should move the seat a bit closer.

I came here to say this, but I see it has been said.

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