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FloridaFRSdriver 10-29-2013 12:10 AM

Don't want to drive anything else. At all. Really.
 
I quite enjoy RWD V8s with loads of torque and love that V8 sound (think Hemi, Z06, etc) and have owned a few..

But I love the FRS and I don't want to drive anything else. Really. Even if you were to give me a Z06, Nissan GT-R, Cayman S (insert your favorite here), I would still keep my FRs and flog it daily. This car has a unique unmatched quality, a certain character, that makes it special...in addition to its other fantastic traits listed elsewhere.

I do have a track day coming up shortly in Vegas where I'll get time behind the wheel of the Cayman R and GT-R but I doubt it will change my mind... I'm betting the takeaway will be "awesome cars, can't wait to take the FRS to the track!" not "I wish I had..."

So I can't imagine getting rid of it to drive anything else. I wonder how many feel the same?


(That being said-- somebody please give me a Gt-R, Cayman S or Z06 ;) )

CyberAkuma 10-29-2013 12:12 AM

I feel the same

Plxdjake89 10-29-2013 12:14 AM

Same here :D

Whitigir 10-29-2013 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaFRSdriver (Post 1299378)
I quite enjoy RWD V8s with loads of torque and love that V8 sound (think Hemi, Z06, etc) and have owned a few..

But I love the FRS and I don't want to drive anything else. Really. Even if you were to give me a Z06, Nissan GT-R, Cayman S (insert your favorite here), I would still keep my FRs and flog it daily. This car has a unique unmatched quality, a certain character, that makes it special...in addition to its other fantastic traits listed elsewhere.

I do have a track day coming up shortly in Vegas where I'll get time behind the wheel of the Cayman R and GT-R but I doubt it will change my mind... I'm betting the takeaway will be "awesome cars, can't wait to take the FRS to the track!" not "I wish I had..."

So I can't imagine getting rid of it to drive anything else. I wonder how many feel the same?


(That being said-- somebody please give me a Gt-R, Cayman S or Z06 ;) )

Lol. Wait until you try GTR and Sting Ray or a Cayman, 911...that being said FRS is nice for what they are

chrisl 10-29-2013 12:23 AM

Having driven an FR-S and BRZ a few times, I think you'll like the Cayman R. I haven't personally driven a GT-R, so I don't know what to think about those, but to me, the Cayman is very similar to the FR-S in a number of ways, but with more power, more grip, and (in my humble opinion) better balance. Also, the noise the Cayman makes is absolutely glorious from inside the cabin. I'll be curious to hear your reaction after the drive though.

Prog 10-29-2013 12:23 AM

I still want a Z06 one day, no doubt, especially after seeing the C7. I'd probably want a GT-R if they had a proper manual gearbox. I love my BRZ, but I also loved the Camaro I traded for it.

86 4 FUN 10-29-2013 12:27 AM

Everytime I get out of the car and smell hot rubber I can't get the grin of my face.

chrisl 10-29-2013 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prog (Post 1299407)
I still want a Z06 one day, no doubt, especially after seeing the C7. I'd probably want a GT-R if they had a proper manual gearbox. I love my BRZ, but I also loved the Camaro I traded for it.

A Z06 is definitely on my short list of cars that I'd like to own someday. Probably C6 though, not C7, since I still don't really like the new back end.

FloridaFRSdriver 10-29-2013 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1299405)
Having driven an FR-S and BRZ a few times, I think you'll like the Cayman R. I haven't personally driven a GT-R, so I don't know what to think about those, but to me, the Cayman is very similar to the FR-S in a number of ways, but with more power, more grip, and (in my humble opinion) better balance. Also, the noise the Cayman makes is absolutely glorious from inside the cabin. I'll be curious to hear your reaction after the drive though.

Yeah I think you're right... I was seriously condsidering a (used) Cayman S until the wife laid down the law aboit my next car having a backseat even though I put 95% of my 35k miles/year driving solo.. Turns out she was right in that it would have broken my five year old's heart if he couldn't go for a ride in daddy's new car. At the time I was crushed thinking I was doomed to a horrid FWD grocery getter... SO glad the twins came along...

(Tip to prospective buyers whose wives think the same: don't show her the back seat until after you sign the paperwork ;))

FloridaFRSdriver 10-29-2013 12:39 AM

Also, bang for buck is unmatched, a big factor. Plus, one look inside the engine compartment, sold. After trying to work on an Audi S4 biturbo, the FRS engine bay is literally cavernous. Also I figured, it's a Toyota after all, how bad ca it be to fix when something goes wrong? High performance German cars , OTOH... It's an arm and a leg and an arm.. Not including the appendages lost trying to remove that one stinking unreachable bolt for two hours...

Prog 10-29-2013 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1299423)
A Z06 is definitely on my short list of cars that I'd like to own someday. Probably C6 though, not C7, since I still don't really like the new back end.

I saw one in person the other day for the first time and it was stunning. Pictures don't do it justice. And it was even one of my least favorite colors for the car (white).

Stealth Gt86 10-29-2013 12:44 AM

I feel 100% the same, i had a 400whp eclipse gsx, 280whp eclipse gst, 2 lexus is300's and a sc400, and i have driven Hondas, bmws, a Maserati, rode in a lotus espirit and have always loved supras, isf's and lfas, and i would rather have my frs than any of them except maybe the lfa just because its and LFA but i wouldn't take anything under 70gs of my FRS. Im in love.

OICU812 10-29-2013 12:50 AM

Only the R8 V10 would sway me, nothing else offered at moment would however. :)

humfrz 10-29-2013 12:59 AM

WOW! ..... you folks have driven some fancy cars ....:w00t:

I will agree that my FR-S is a hell-of-a-lot more fun to drive than my wife's Saturn .... ;)

humfrz

@FloridaFRSdriver - if you would bring that machine of yours out to the mountains .... you would really be a happy driver ....:D

SmsAlSuwaidi 10-29-2013 01:09 AM

Frs and the 458 Italia are amazing drivers cars

A z06 is amazing too but it's a monster and can be moody

Gtrs should all disappear cause they suck

FloridaFRSdriver 10-29-2013 01:28 AM

@FloridaFRSdriver - if you would bring that machine of yours out to the mountains .... you would really be a happy driver ....:D[/QUOTE]
Humfrz, I agree. Great idea. Until I get arrested. And end up in Mountain Man Jail :) I love mountain country... Bout the only thing I miss from New England. FYI, I had already watched some of your driving videos... Looks like you have some some mountains (and driving) where you live. Would really like to run the tail of the dragon in TN.

NWFRS 10-29-2013 10:30 AM

I feel the same...as long as I don't have any catastrophic engine failures. My car runs great and I love everything about it, but when I hop online and read the horror stories, I DO get a bit paranoid. :-l

WolfpackS2k 10-29-2013 10:36 AM

Yeah....I'd prefer a Cayman S

Deadspool 10-29-2013 11:02 AM

I've driven an X-wing, Star destroyer and a Millenium falcon.

The x-wing was kinda close for autocross times, but i constantly had a hard time making it through a gate smaller than a Womp rat.

The Falcon had awesome power, but i had more faith in my kitchen sink. To this day, i have no idea why it kept listing lazily to the left.


I prefer the BRZ.

PR FR-S 10-29-2013 11:14 AM

911 GT-3 and a more powerful 86..

thill 10-29-2013 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 1299952)
I feel the same...as long as I don't have any catastrophic engine failures. My car runs great and I love everything about it, but when I hop online and read the horror stories, I DO get a bit paranoid. :-l

What is the build date of your car? If it was built on or after Jan 2013, you should have the updated ECU that fixed the DI seal issue. The only issue I have had with my car is crickets.

thill 10-29-2013 11:23 AM

There are lots of other cars I want, but none of them are practical as a daily driver for me. I would say Lotus Elise would probably be my first pick with a Cayman S being a close second.

BRZ is just much more practical and those other cars would end up sitting in my garage....

MAPerformance 10-29-2013 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 1299952)
I feel the same...as long as I don't have any catastrophic engine failures. My car runs great and I love everything about it, but when I hop online and read the horror stories, I DO get a bit paranoid. :-l

Nothing to worry about man. That's what these forums do at times, make people paranoid. I have 14k miles on mine and it sees redline a couple times a day, since day one, and it runs soooo well and pulls strong. I drive it through 95 degree humid weather in the summer, and -10 below weather in the winter, and no issues yet. Most of what you read were the earlier ECU issues causing the direct injector seals to fail. As long as you have had the updated ECU flash from the dealer, or any type of tune, you should be fine. Enjoy the car man:thumbsup:

tennisfreak 10-29-2013 11:43 AM

I love my FR-S and all but I gotta be real here.

If someone gave me a Cayman S I would drive it over my FR-S in a heartbeat.

OP: Have you ever actually driven a Cayman S? It is a even better driving experience than an FR-S. Think FR-S with luxury and more power.

Nevermore 10-29-2013 12:13 PM

I'm the same way. I get really annoyed if anyone wants me to drive my dad's corolla. I've refused to take part in social things on the grounds that the preferred means of transport wasn't my car.

jarviz 10-29-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1299501)
WOW! ..... you folks have driven some fancy cars ....:w00t:

I will agree that my FR-S is a hell-of-a-lot more fun to drive than my wife's Saturn .... ;)

humfrz

@FloridaFRSdriver - if you would bring that machine of yours out to the mountains .... you would really be a happy driver ....:D

What's a Saturn?

Superhatch 10-29-2013 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitigir (Post 1299388)
Lol. Wait until you try GTR and Sting Ray or a Cayman, 911...that being said FRS is nice for what they are

I had a GT-R as a rental for the day and at the end of the day told my wife I was selling the BRZ, and saving for a GT-R. Then I got back from my trip, slipped into the BRZ and felt a different kind of excitement when I rolled out of the airport parking garage.

Was it slow compared to the GT-R? Obviously. But as noted, there is something about this car that once you get attached to it makes you smile as soon as you get in. While I would still love a GT-R, I'm still really happy in the BRZ. Although my wife was OK with my plan, a day of driving the BRZ made me realize that this is a car that is worth owning, and continuing to own for a long time.

Whitigir 10-29-2013 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superhatch (Post 1300172)
I had a GT-R as a rental for the day and at the end of the day told my wife I was selling the BRZ, and saving for a GT-R. Then I got back from my trip, slipped into the BRZ and felt a different kind of excitement when I rolled out of the airport parking garage.

Was it slow compared to the GT-R? Obviously. But as noted, there is something about this car that once you get attached to it makes you smile as soon as you get in. While I would still love a GT-R, I'm still really happy in the BRZ. Although my wife was OK with my plan, a day of driving the BRZ made me realize that this is a car that is worth owning, and continuing to own for a long time.

Talking about Track day. GTR will Pump your Heart out VS BRZ

Talking about Daily commutes, and Weekend Twisty funs, the BRZ will Pump Excitement in your heart.

You got that right.

After all FT86 is a very good Daily Drive compare to the GTR.

Superhatch 10-29-2013 12:32 PM

Well, the GT-R was surprisingly easy to drive. For the insanity it delivers when you put it in R mode it's also a really easy to drive car when everything is set to 'comfort'. I could totally use it as a DD. :)

Jason@DSG 10-29-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaFRSdriver (Post 1299378)
I quite enjoy RWD V8s with loads of torque and love that V8 sound (think Hemi, Z06, etc) and have owned a few..

But I love the FRS and I don't want to drive anything else. Really. Even if you were to give me a Z06, Nissan GT-R, Cayman S (insert your favorite here), I would still keep my FRs and flog it daily. This car has a unique unmatched quality, a certain character, that makes it special...in addition to its other fantastic traits listed elsewhere.

I do have a track day coming up shortly in Vegas where I'll get time behind the wheel of the Cayman R and GT-R but I doubt it will change my mind... I'm betting the takeaway will be "awesome cars, can't wait to take the FRS to the track!" not "I wish I had..."

So I can't imagine getting rid of it to drive anything else. I wonder how many feel the same?


(That being said-- somebody please give me a Gt-R, Cayman S or Z06 ;) )

Sometimes a ton of power isn't the key. I think the FRS/BRZ are one of the funnest bang-for-your-buck cars ever made. Add a few power/suspension mods and it rivals the "fun" factor of most much more expensive sports cars.

I have a 450whp car that I can never exploit and it's actually kind of frustrating to drive reserved almost all the time, aside from a few rare occasions or when I'm at the track. There's something to be said about a car you can "push" regularly, it's actually much more fun.

I think once I sell my current ride, I might actually pick up an FRS!

Whitigir 10-29-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superhatch (Post 1300206)
Well, the GT-R was surprisingly easy to drive. For the insanity it delivers when you put it in R mode it's also a really easy to drive car when everything is set to 'comfort'. I could totally use it as a DD. :)

Absolutely, If you ever tried to Over Take other Cars on the Highway...It feels like everyone has just stopped, and the car just stick to the Ground, and you already broke Double the Speed limit.

That is not where the fun is though. In the Track, atleast you know it when your GTR started to go Side Way, and Exit the Curve with Virtually No Impact Immediately, and that it is Ready for another one.

In the Track is the only way to push your GTR to the limit, while BRZ or FT86 can be push to the limit in a Parking Lot Auto Cross LOL!!!

The After-Math of an FT86 is easier to Digest than The Bills coming off the GTR right ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG (Post 1300220)
There's something to be said about a car you can "push" regularly, it's actually much more fun.

The Different from the GTR to the BRZ in the track is this

GTR --- Gives your Confidence, and You know the Beast is asking for more....it makes you into a Beast

BRZ----Gives you the Adrenaline Rush, a Lose Horse that You have to Control....it puts the Skills into you, Be the Driver

Myself, in the track, I prefer being the beast, than being the Driver LOL

Jason@DSG 10-29-2013 12:44 PM

Exactly! It's actually sort of annoying where I live in Montreal, Canada. The roads are not so great (a lot of season changes, freezing + thawing). So really, there aren't many places to even drive "spirited". That being said, something like an FRS/BRZ with a few mods, nice aftermarket exhaust note, that would be a blast.

I already know myself though, I'd have it built and turbo'd making it undriveable like my last car hahaha....

Toyotaman 10-29-2013 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaFRSdriver (Post 1299378)
I quite enjoy RWD V8s with loads of torque and love that V8 sound (think Hemi, Z06, etc) and have owned a few..

But I love the FRS and I don't want to drive anything else. Really. Even if you were to give me a Z06, Nissan GT-R, Cayman S (insert your favorite here), I would still keep my FRs and flog it daily. This car has a unique unmatched quality, a certain character, that makes it special...in addition to its other fantastic traits listed elsewhere.

I do have a track day coming up shortly in Vegas where I'll get time behind the wheel of the Cayman R and GT-R but I doubt it will change my mind... I'm betting the takeaway will be "awesome cars, can't wait to take the FRS to the track!" not "I wish I had..."

So I can't imagine getting rid of it to drive anything else. I wonder how many feel the same?


(That being said-- somebody please give me a Gt-R, Cayman S or Z06 ;) )


If I could I'd have two of these. I love this car. The joy of this car is in the turns, not the straight.

FloridaFRSdriver 10-31-2013 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisfreak (Post 1300073)
I love my FR-S and all but I gotta be real here.

If someone gave me a Cayman S I would drive it over my FR-S in a heartbeat.

OP: Have you ever actually driven a Cayman S? It is a even better driving experience than an FR-S. Think FR-S with luxury and more power.

No, I have never driven a Cayman S. Not sure if I mentioned this before, but the Cayman S (used one, that is) was top on my list of cars I wanted before getting the FRS. For $30K you can get a nice Cayman. However my CFO (read: wife) required a backseat for family reasons (5 year old). So, used Cayman S was off the list. Plus the Cayman would be out of warranty, but the for the same price the FR-S has a 100K mile plus bumper to bumper warranty. Which is priceless when you put 3000-4000/month on your car driving for work.

I think the Z06, CaymanS and GT-R are fantastic cars (enough so to pay a good chunk of change to drive them on the track in Vegas) and would love to have one, if not all. They are still on my "must have one day" list along with the Viper. But, I think even if I had one (or all) of the above, I would still keep the FRS and drive it. For the price and for what it delivers, I am very happy with the car. And at any rate in the same fantasy world where I could afford a GT-R, Viper, CaymanS and Z06... I wouldn't need to trade my FR-S in...

Billylammerkins 10-31-2013 07:27 PM

Driven a GTR locally near mountain area....... Here's what I got from it.

The car is stupid good. It literally drove itself, it felt like I wasn't even driving the car. I could take it around corners where I SHOULD be going off the cliff and dying, but the GTR is so good that it did completely fine where it shouldn't have been. On top of that being an auto, it felt even less engaging.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for the car, and I still want one later in life, but the car was TOO GOOD.

mrceltic 11-01-2013 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarviz (Post 1300164)
What's a Saturn?

Everyone stop talking about Saturns, that's my new winter beater while my FRS hibernates. :cry:

EAGLE5 11-01-2013 04:32 AM

I rode your wife, mom, and sister in the backseat of my frs, but I still prefer driving.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadspool (Post 1300001)
I've driven an X-wing, Star destroyer and a Millenium falcon.

The x-wing was kinda close for autocross times, but i constantly had a hard time making it through a gate smaller than a Womp rat.

The Falcon had awesome power, but i had more faith in my kitchen sink. To this day, i have no idea why it kept listing lazily to the left.


I prefer the BRZ.


Mikem53 11-01-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1299423)
A Z06 is definitely on my short list of cars that I'd like to own someday. Probably C6 though, not C7, since I still don't really like the new back end.

Great choice.. I had a C6 Z06 for a few years.. Absolute blast to drive! It's a bit of a beast and a handful when pushed.. The manual lets you hit 60 in 1st gear.
Was my favorite thing to do.. Scared the crap out of people who never been in a vette before.. Endless torque at any rpm, tenacious grip that will distort your face on accel and corners.. All this ... Yet I prefer driving the FRS !!
There is a purity about the FRS that is hard to beat.. It's more nimble and forgiving.. Less weight, narrow tires and wheels contribute to a one piece feel about the car that you don't get with fat tires and wide wheels.
While I miss those blasts to 60 and the instant locomotive torque of the LS7..
The FRS makes up for it with its care free handling, nimbleness and it's one piece feel..

tennisfreak 11-01-2013 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaFRSdriver (Post 1306108)
No, I have never driven a Cayman S. Not sure if I mentioned this before, but the Cayman S (used one, that is) was top on my list of cars I wanted before getting the FRS. For $30K you can get a nice Cayman. However my CFO (read: wife) required a backseat for family reasons (5 year old). So, used Cayman S was off the list. Plus the Cayman would be out of warranty, but the for the same price the FR-S has a 100K mile plus bumper to bumper warranty. Which is priceless when you put 3000-4000/month on your car driving for work.

Your reasons for getting the FR-S are the exact same as why I got mine. I drove a used Cayman S before the FR-S and actually went to a dealership to buy one (it was sold from underneath me) but glad in the end I got an FR-S. Now I have a new car under warranty and plenty of budget to do my own mods. Plus at least 2 times those rear seats have saved my butt :)

chrisl 11-01-2013 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikem53 (Post 1307067)
Great choice.. I had a C6 Z06 for a few years.. Absolute blast to drive! It's a bit of a beast and a handful when pushed.. The manual lets you hit 60 in 1st gear.
Was my favorite thing to do.. Scared the crap out of people who never been in a vette before.. Endless torque at any rpm, tenacious grip that will distort your face on accel and corners.. All this ... Yet I prefer driving the FRS !!
There is a purity about the FRS that is hard to beat.. It's more nimble and forgiving.. Less weight, narrow tires and wheels contribute to a one piece feel about the car that you don't get with fat tires and wide wheels.
While I miss those blasts to 60 and the instant locomotive torque of the LS7..
The FRS makes up for it with its care free handling, nimbleness and it's one piece feel..

I do know what you mean (the Cayman feels pretty darn nimble as well - in many ways, the Cayman on Pilot Super Sports combines a nimble, lightweight feel similar to the BRZ with face-distorting grip in the corners), but there's just something about the Z06 that I would like to have at some point. That having been said, I'm in no rush to get rid of my Cayman anytime soon (it's way too much fun for that) - I'm talking about quite a ways in the future here...


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