Scion FR-S dyno by Insideline = 173 whp @ 7000 RPM, 143 lb-ft @ 2800 RPM
 

Without belaboring the point: 173 whp @ 7000 RPM, 143 lb-ft @ 2800 RPM.

Not bad at all considering claimed values for each!


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here's the video that goes along with it.

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Damn you're quick!

only 800 miles on the odo... seems a little sketchy to be doing dyno runs during the break-in period

Well, thats sounds more like it than the previous dyno pull.

Eh, I'm sure that cars been plenty abused during reviews, and all that already. Probably seen more in 800 miles than most cars do in 10,000.

Also it's 143tq not 141tq in the video.

That's crazy that peak TQ is that low in the RPM range. Modding is going to be interesting. :)

Given the rated output these figures are right on the money.

Nice to see what torque the engine makes comes on pretty early.

Motor movement looks well managed.

There was a whole thread on the "break-in" period. I thought it was pretty much determined all these cars are broken in once they leave the factory..

Where is the graph - want to see the dip at 3K ish.

Very cool. Thanks for posting!

People will be quick to tout these dyno results over the ones previously shown. No one was happy with the 164whp numbers.

Good stuff, glad to see more dyno testing out there.

InsideLine has also dyno'd other cars at that facility to offer some comparison. Nevertheless, a graph would be appreciated. It does seem the car makes slightly more torque than advertised, which is a plus.

Yea, I meant the graph from the InsideLine dyno, but thanks.

Inside line uses an inertial dynomometer. The Cobb number is a better representation of what one would experience on the road, as it was measured with an eddy current brake dyno. This is required to properly load the drive train for an accurate measurement.

Not really relevant to the subject... but it is a shame how ignorant people can be, especially on youtube videos. Randomly spotted a couple of comments to the video above:

"If the car wasn't "made for power" then they shouldnt charge so much. $26,000 gets you a really slow car with no features and a crap interior not to mention it looks like a wanna be ricer rocket. FAIL!"

"Lets see a comparsion. Base 2.0t hyundai genesis coupe vs this over priced lump. Hyundai will kick its ass and youll save money, have a better warranty, better interior too. This car is junk"

Le sigh....

idk if anyone else noticed, but not all of the electronic stability control was turned off, nor was the traction control turned completely off. I know this cuz i drove the FR-S this weekend, and I made sure to turn everything off, and there were at least two extra lights that came on when it was all off. Unless this is an earlier pre-production model that has different dash lights, but idk if any of this would effect the power on the dyno, but to me it seems like having any traction control or stability control on would effect the the full amount of power to the wheels.

Also what octane was used. Car will have more Hp with 93 than 91 but it can take up to a few tanks for the ECU to fully adjust. I've heard of some cars loosing 10 hp going from 91 to 87 because the engine pulls allot of timing.

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These people will never understand the car for what it is, i wouldn't personally call them 'enthusiasts'. Not to mention alot of the youtube population is full of underage trolls. Im sure alot of these people will hop on the bandwagon of this car and others like it if toyobaru can resurrect the 90's sports car legacy. And on another note, this hate will help young ones steer clear and ultimately keep our rates alot lower.

As for the video, great to see newer dyno results... but can i see some performance dynos yet? or am i asking too much?

So if this is insideline's long term tester, where is the blog? I want to read about the day to day life of the FR-S :(

I want them to weigh it!!!!

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"Now imagine a turbocharged FR-S. That's all you can really do at this point since a) it hasn't been officially confirmed by the factory, and b) you'll have to wait at least a year and likely longer for the factory turbocharged version.

But let's not get too carried away just yet, as there's still plenty more about today's FR-S that's worth exploring. Stay tuned.

--Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor"

Yall all know a turbo is coming...i can feel it...hehe!

goes to show how underrated gti's are. those dyno numbers are the same as their listed hp.

i know its been beaten to death in other threads...but that torque dip from 3.5-3.4k rpms bugs me.

remap ECU will fix that dip

Not a fan either but I doubt it will be that noticeable in most driving as all it does is slow the power curve upwards movement between 3200 - 4200 rpm. Now if that dip were in the HP curve itself it would be a disaster.

How much ($$) would these come out to ?

However, the question is: will you lose elsewhere to fix the dip?

No doubt but what will be the unintended side effects of a reflash like that? There must be some reason the engineers left that dip there.

Like that red!

$200~$850... depends on which tune shop.

IDK, we don't have any re-map ECU for FR-S, so can't answer that... BUT I can answer this. I have iSPEED's re-mapped ECU for my Impreza & no, I didn't lose anywhere in TQ line. Only side effect for me, is I have stage 2, so it require 91 or higher octane (which require to begin w anyways).

They left it there, so aftermarket shops can profit. Like reply on 2fast4you, we don't have remap ECU for FR-S, so we don't know. From my pass experience, it doesn't lose any tq curve ('00 Impreza), it helps smooth that dip. Not 100% fully fix it, but it's noticeable difference in dip.

Cost.

That may be true... but low cost as $200 isn't bad for fixing the dip in TQ line

Probably more. Open source tunes are about ~$400. Cobb AP are about $600 and only come with a base map, add $400 for a tune. Who's to say it's a tuning issue and not a cam or intake manifold issue? We'll see once people start putting these under the knife, but I have the niggling suspicion it's a design constraint.

Only time will tell. I'm just pulling those numbers from re-mapped ECU for my Impreza.

Might be remap, but I'm starting to think that the intake/exhaust headers could be playing a much larger role than previously thought.

The car has an intake cam optimized for 6500ish rpm, yet it manages to pull off nearly the same torque at 3000ish. IMO, now the picture is coming together, the car SHOULD have really bad low end torque due to the cam, but the low rpm torque manages to match the high rpm torque.

Let's look at a car that has a very good intake system, the LFA. The 3 stage intake puts the peak torque close to the maximum possible at all rpm, and you'll notice that the peak torque is dropping consistently as the rpms go down. The volumetric efficiency here is limited by the intake cam.

That's what the FA20 should look like with a variable intake, albeit more flat because it has a smaller rpm range to work with. What we're seeing is low end torque matching top end torque. So I think what may be going on is that they realized the engine had no bottom end, and thus decided to compromise the top end with an intake optimized for VE in the 2000-3000rpm range. Hi Dimman, could this perhaps be the answer to your missing torque theory?

I wonder if anyone has intake runner lengths.

It was free for my car. For a stock car you can find tuned maps on osecuroms.org and you just need to borrow someone's cable to flash it (or buy one for $99). Once you have mods you need a street tune which there are guys that will do it for $150 or you can learn to do it yourself. It will take time to crack the ecu though I'm sure.

Yes, you're correction on intake & exhaust. It's all the Subie engine have problem with. I wrote "re-map ECU" instead of port & polish in & out & cams cause those cost a lot more than re-map ECU.

Cams: $300~$750
Port & polish Manifold: $250~$450
Port & polish in & out heads: $600~up
Plus labor & down time of car

vs re-map ECU: $200~up

Well IMO the cams are looking pretty good right now, they're making power at high rpm, where they should be, I think to make use of bigger cams you'd need to raise the rev limit a bit. I'm super interested in seeing what different intakes will do though, as this is the first answer I've come up with to the "missing torque question" that makes complete sense, lol.