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Admired 10-11-2013 12:38 PM

Reducing Rasp
 
Is there a way to reduce rasp without taking away from the loudness of the system? Drone for me isn't that annoying but raspyness when accelerating is annoying and sounds like a fart can sometimes. My current setup is Revworks UEL, Perrin Overpipe, Invidia Catless FP, and Berk Dual Muffler Delete. I know this is an abnoxious setup right now but I like it minus the rasp. So what Im asking is what would reduce rasp the most? I was thinking about a 14" Magnaflow resonator in the muffler delete or getting a catted front pipe. What would reduce rasp the most but keep the same sound volume?

Thanks for your help

m.wood0213 10-11-2013 12:41 PM

either should do the trick.

FastLane1000 10-11-2013 12:42 PM

keeping the same sound volume would probably be a front pipe with a hemholtz resonator. any resonator in the front pipe would help but a regular resonator would reduce sound volume as well. You could also try an exhaust weight like what comes stock on some vehicles exhaust systems. google exhaust mass damper or resonance mass damper for more info and pictures of these. Also wrapping the header should help noticeably but not completely.

FR-S Matt 10-11-2013 12:55 PM

Add 2-3 resonators to the system, one in the front pipe, one mid, and even one in the catback portion. They don't have to be very large ones.

Admired 10-11-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 1264327)
Add 2-3 resonators to the system, one in the front pipe, one mid, and even one in the catback portion. They don't have to be very large ones.

Isn't that a little overkill? Won't one be fine?

FR-S Matt 10-11-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Admired (Post 1264330)
Isn't that a little overkill? Won't one be fine?

You won't know till you add one. With a muffler delete and everything catless, probably not.

FastLane1000 10-11-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 1264336)
You won't know till you add one. With a muffler delete and everything catless, probably not.

+1

FR-S Matt 10-11-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admired (Post 1264330)
Isn't that a little overkill? Won't one be fine?

I have two resonators, a catted DP/OP and the stock header and my 3" exhaust is pretty damn loud still, but not raspy. I'll be adding a catless header soon and I still expect there to not be any rasp. My two resonators are about 15 inches long.

I think you will need at least two.

zc06_kisstherain 10-11-2013 12:59 PM

header is catless?

BRAWL 10-11-2013 01:01 PM

Get a catted front pipe and see if that helps. After that look at more resonators

Admired 10-11-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 1264343)
header is catless?

Yes, catless revworks uel. I am thinking about for now just a 14" resonator on the catback portion and I will go from there.

Hardrock4445 10-11-2013 01:51 PM

It's an FA20, unless turbo I haven't heard one that isn't raspy yet....

Admired 10-11-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardrock4445 (Post 1264459)
It's an FA20, unless turbo I haven't heard one that isn't raspy yet....

Going turbo reduces rasp? Because it diverts alot of the exhaust gas to the turbo?? I was planning on the P-tuning turbo when it comes out anyway/

FR-S Matt 10-11-2013 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admired (Post 1264933)
Going turbo reduces rasp? Because it diverts alot of the exhaust gas to the turbo?? I was planning on the P-tuning turbo when it comes out anyway/

Turbo muffles exhaust really well. That's why 3" exhaust users are much quieter when the turbo is present.

zc06_kisstherain 10-11-2013 04:45 PM

I have Motiv Front pipe (catless) and Nameless axleback.
It doesn't rasp but drones a bit but not bad.
I believe usually whole bolts-on had catless, shouldnt rasp or drones. maybe i was wrong and this car is different than other cars.
keep us updated what you changed. i might get a header and dont want crazy rasp

wparsons 10-11-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardrock4445 (Post 1264459)
It's an FA20, unless turbo I haven't heard one that isn't raspy yet....

There's lots that aren't raspy...

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpavxOvyclc"]BRZ Drive By PERRIN Cat Back Exhaust & Front Pipe - YouTube[/ame]

djliquidsteele 10-11-2013 10:18 PM

can someone please define raspy for me?

If this: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y18bo5IYE50"]86 TRD Griffon Concept 2nd test - YouTube[/ame] is raspy, then god damn me, I love it!!!

mad_sb 10-11-2013 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FastLane1000 (Post 1264298)
keeping the same sound volume would probably be a front pipe with a hemholtz resonator. any resonator in the front pipe would help but a regular resonator would reduce sound volume as well. You could also try an exhaust weight like what comes stock on some vehicles exhaust systems. google exhaust mass damper or resonance mass damper for more info and pictures of these. Also wrapping the header should help noticeably but not completely.

As someone who is running an FA20 cattled 4-1 header, nameless catted helmholtz frontpipe, and custom ft86 speedfactory V2 with varex muffler, i can tell you helmholtz does not eliminate rasp. My setup is too raspy for my taste even with 2 cats. I think LONG resonators are the key to reducing rasp.

OP, have you looked at the hks dual resonated front pipe? I assume you have the resonated Invidia front pipe?

Admired 10-11-2013 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mad_sb (Post 1265608)
As someone who is running an FA20 cattled 4-1 header, nameless catted helmholtz frontpipe, and custom ft86 speedfactory V2 with varex muffler, i can tell you helmholtz does not eliminate rasp. My setup is too raspy for my taste even with 2 cats. I think LONG resonators are the key to reducing rasp.

OP, have you looked at the hks dual resonated front pipe? I assume you have the resonated Invidia front pipe?

I am completely catless at the moment. Headers and front pipe. I am considering putting in a 14" magnaflow muffler in the midpipe leading to the muffler delete

wparsons 10-12-2013 12:08 AM

The farty noise in this is rasp:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Y9fRTidiI"]Exhaust raspy :( - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBdQZjRjzps"]Raspy ass Civic - YouTube[/ame]

Admired 10-12-2013 05:54 PM

So i think I will sell my berk muffler delete or install a muffler on the midpipe or get a Invidia N1 catback. How would the N1 sound vs. the berk muffler delete everything else being constant (same uel headers, catless fp, overpipe)

kuhlka 10-13-2013 12:31 AM

The least raspy/tinny/farty muffler I've heard so far has been the Perrin resonated catback. Everything else tends to sound high pitched, tinny (metallic tinging), or has that farty bark. I've got the Rev Works UEL in and it sounds great with the stock exhaust. I just need the full Perrin headerback, now.

Admired 10-13-2013 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kuhlka (Post 1267019)
The least raspy/tinny/farty muffler I've heard so far has been the Perrin resonated catback. Everything else tends to sound high pitched, tinny (metallic tinging), or has that farty bark. I've got the Rev Works UEL in and it sounds great with the stock exhaust. I just need the full Perrin headerback, now.

Thats funny because im currently selling my 2.5" perrin catback. Check out the members section

Kelbyat07 10-13-2013 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Admired (Post 1266563)
So i think I will sell my berk muffler delete or install a muffler on the midpipe or get a Invidia N1 catback. How would the N1 sound vs. the berk muffler delete everything else being constant (same uel headers, catless fp, overpipe)

Well the N1 is not loud compared to the berk muffler delete, so I am pretty sure the rasp will reduce by a lot.

wparsons 10-13-2013 10:47 AM

Noise and rasp aren't the same thing, you can have a LOUD not raspy exhaust or a quieter but raspy exhaust. Typically the loud ones are raspy though.

stevo_12v 01-21-2014 06:47 AM

I tried heatwrap and some hoseclamps a couple of days ago to stop the thin stainless steel pipe on my CBE from vibrating so much(causing the rapsy sound). Quite a noticeable difference. I'll be getting some more heatwrap to wrap near the muffler and a bit further up the CBE.
I would not try this with a NON stainless steel exhaust btw.
http://i41.tinypic.com/2vwbnt3.jpg

TIP: You can also get DEI stainless steel zip ties to secure the heat wrap, don't bother. Cheaper and easier to get/use hose clamps(just make sure they won't rust).

troek 01-21-2014 08:14 AM

glad to hear that made some difference! im thinking about doing it eventualy on my J2 exhaust.

ChandlerSwyng 01-21-2014 11:27 AM

I have the N1 catback and just recieved my invidia catless resonated front pipe, will the resonator cut down the rasp?

stevo_12v 01-25-2014 02:40 PM

I added a bit more heat wrap to the exhaust. Added some to the bends on the HKS muffler, quite a noticeable difference.
http://i39.tinypic.com/14kllxf.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/11w530x.jpg


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