Report: Toyota 86 / FR-S Sedan still coming (with 100mm longer wheelbase)
 

via: motoring.com.au

It’s no exaggeration to say the 86, Australia’s top-selling sports car, has single-handedly succeeded in injecting some sparkle into Toyota’s lacklustre line-up.

And, according to a source close to Toyota, there’s plenty more where that came from.

That’s right folks, the 86 family is about to grow -- and in a big way. When the 86 landed in showrooms last year, we were told of other iterations including a soft-top, a sedan and a shooting brake (sports wagon). Chief engineer Tetsuya Tada even mentioned as much in his blog.

Well, although the 86 convertible concept has apparently stalled, our insider now tells us the green light has been given for an 86-based sedan.

The soft-top 86 roadster concept was unveiled at the Geneva motor show in March, but there is still no word from Toyota -- or our insider, for that matter -- as to when we might see that car on the road.

What we can tell you is that an 86-based sedan, similar to the one rendered here by Japan’s Holiday Auto magazine, is on the way and may even beat the soft-top into showrooms.

According to our source, the new sports sedan will target 40-something buyers who honed their driving skills in cars like the rear-wheel drive Corolla AE86, Nissan Silvia (180SX and 200SX), Mazda RX-8 or Honda S2000.

Employing a wheelbase that’s 100mm longer than that of the current 86, the new sedan will feature what Toyota calls a “keen-look” grille design that appears to replicate the shape of a Japanese ‘katana’ Samurai sword.

In addition to the base model’s Subaru-sourced 147kW 2.0-litre boxer powertrain, the as-yet-unnamed 86 sedan will also offer a next-generation hybrid system.

Strategically differentiated from the Toyota’s current Hybrid Synergy Drive system, the new ‘Hybrid R’ sports hybrid system will incorporate a one-motor parallel drive set-up that generates up to 200kW while achieving 10-15 per cent better fuel economy.

While Hybrid R details are still sketchy, our insider suggests the new system – as revealed in the 300kW Yaris Hybrid-R concept at Frankfurt -- will employ F1-style KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) technology that can recover the car’s kinetic energy under braking.

While we will not see this concept at next month’s Tokyo motor show, we hear strong rumours that it will make an appearance at next year’s Geneva show.

Expect to see Toyota’s all-new rear-drive compact sports sedan hit showrooms from late 2015 through to early 2016, priced not far from the sub-$30K 86.

Unfortunately, our sources tell us we won’t get a look at the jointly developed Toyota-BMW sports car at the Tokyo show either, with the Geneva show in March 2014 now looking more likely.


* Imaginative/speculative render only *

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interesting... this is exciting for toyota!

does anyone find it interesting that all the "rumors" are coming out of australia? how valid are these?

Umm.. I find this hard to believe, and four doors ruins it for me...

Excited! Can't wait to see the actual concept!

Looks like they will make a legacy Clone for Toyota, NICE!

4 doors on an FR-S just doesn't work imo. If they build this, I would call it something else, and not a FR-S Sedan.

well i was actually excited about the BMW and Toyota car lol not that thing

An FR-S sedan would be exciting, but only if they could retain the low CG and light weight of the coupe.

More interesting to me - if the details on the hybrid powertrain are accurate, that's probably the configuration we'll see on the FR-S for the 2015 refresh. 200 kw = ~270 hp. The weight gain may not be too substantial either, as Toyo engineers have reportedly been able to lighten the FR-S by ~220 lbs without too much difficulty.

Currently it's 2570mm.

Gonna need to print new tshirts for 2670!

Yeah, we'll see if these rumors materialize.

this is going to stretch the wheel base by just shy of 4 inches, right?

How's this enough of an increase to make a sedan?

Damn. If this was a hatch I would be in love

It's not. This car needs more than 3.9" to make it a useable sedan. Unless they shrink the trunk.

This validates comments by Koei Saga (Sep 12, 2013) regarding power upgrades for the GT86 being a hybrid drivetrain.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=hybrid

Also the sedan speculative rendering looks kinda like the new 2015 WRX:

http://jalopnik.com/if-this-isnt-the...-it-1441992236

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/192h.../ku-bigpic.png

Correct.

Many cars actually have the same wheelbase between 2- and 4-door variants. It all depends on packaging.

Man that would be awesome to have the sedan for a daily and my FRS for a weekend car :w00t:

But the sedan would really need a 2.5 atleast...or a turbo, same power with more weight will suck. And please dont use anything from the current Corrollas/Camrys for the love of God :barf:

Wow, great rendering.

Expect this to be called Lexus IS100 in the US and cost upward of $35k.

NO THANK YOU, unless they give the sedan version justice then it may change my mind. A shooting brake version would be cooler to see in my opinion.

I wouldn't mind a sedan version of the FR-S. The wife originally was open to the idea of getting a FR-S until she realized the backseat was completely useless. If this comes as a four door and is actually useful, I might be able to get her into the 86 family after all! :happyanim:

http://www.torquenews.com/sites/defa...%20Concept.jpg

BRZ 4 door version "hope" will be like the WRX minus the AWD....ahahhaha

They need to ring up Tesla and discuss an all-electric FR-S.

86 sedan -_-
looks like someone took the current camry and just made it uglier than it already is.

Pretty!

Jalopnik says shooting break.

I is confused.

http://jalopnik.com/holy-crap-scion-...tin-1443890750
Either way...cool to see. Can't really make judgement on a shitty rendering.

I'm down for the shooting break and would be hard pressed not to get one... But I don't want a Scion badge on it! :P



NOTE: This is not aimed to start the whole branding battle crap... I just REFUSE to buy anything with a Scion badge because it should have TOYOTA on there! Personal preference...

If they are going to make a sedan frs then they better make a turbo coupe frs.......

I would be excited for a shooting brake or sedan. I need to fit more than 2 people in my cars. :thumbsup:

That is, retarded...ly good looking. My god.:confused0068:

I just threw up a little...

I'll stick to the new WRX concept. That thing is just dead sexy.

If they do a 3door shooting-brake, my level of interest in these card goes from "pretty cool but I'll wait and see how reliability/etc plays out, and maybe get one used" to HOLY SHIT TAKE MY MONEY. NOW NOW NOW. GOTTA HAVE IT OHHH YEA.

Seriously. I don't care if it has pink dildos attached to the roof and unicorn emblems. Scion badge, Toyota badge... Do. Not. Care. Just make the car and I will love you forever!

@fitcious @Trojan_SC

WTF? Why am I mentioned in this? lol

Oh and If I wanted one (and I don't, honestly not attracted to the shooting brake design), I'd buy it with whatever badge it comes with THEN rebadge that motherf****er lol

I just wanted to include you. :)

@ette

I like being included. Although it's not my taste. I'm all for it if they decide to do it. Anything to keep our cars in the lineup and in Toyota's good graces.

Scion TC? is that you bro?

If it loks anything like that, I'll take one...

I don't know why people always base their opinions on an ugly fan rendering. Obviously it won't look like that. An 86 sedan would be great! It probably won't share the same name but I'm all for a rwd affordable sports sedan. Most rwd sports sedans are luxury cars and 3 times the price of the 86/brz so this would defiantly be another game changer in the car world. I imagine it to be similar size to the new mazda3.

I feel the same way about Subaru.. I am pissed that they are not badged as "Fuji Heavy Industries" like they should be!!!