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RallySport Direct 10-08-2013 11:55 AM

DIY: Air Lift Suspension Install
 

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We got the new air bag kits from Air Lift and we had an employee that wanted to install a set on his car. He was going to pay to have someone install it for him and we decided to do it ourselves and do a comprehensive write-up for all of us to share!

Approaching this install it seemed fairly intimidating at first, but once we got started and figured out where we were going to install everything, and route our air lines and wires, it all came together nicely.

Here’s what Air Lift has to say about the kit specific for the FR-S and BRZ:

Get the stance you want and the performance you need with Air Lift’s Performance air suspension kits! Every kit they offer is fully engineered to properly fit your vehicle, provide unmatched static drop, and deliver ride and handling capability that exceeds factory suspensions. No other lowering suspension provides a more versatile package for daily use.

Get your BRZ or FR-S down! With 4" of drop and all the versatility of air, the Air Lift Performance kit is the best choice for show stance, daily driving AND track performance. Get the looks you crave with the performance you need!

The sleek V2 controller is protected in a rugged, rubberized coating to help protect against the occasional drops and scratches. Display readout shows, individual corner air pressure and tank pressure. You can select your pressures to be displayed in PSI, or for our friends across the pond, we now have an option for BAR!! To give you the ultimate in personalization of your system we have loaded the multi-color display with 512 color combinations! Believe it or not all of this technology fits in the palm of your hand and only takes one wire to connect to your wire harness.

Not only does the V2 give you 8 different presets to tailor to your ride heights needs, but it also “learns” your vehicle to provide incredible accuracy with every push of the button. As you roll low, the V2 will constantly monitor your pressures and adjust accordingly to your presets. V2 also allows you to control your system manually, for the ultimate in independent 4 corner adjustment. With the raise on start feature, you won’t even have to touch the controller! Fully laid out? Raise to your ride height as soon as you turn on your ride and you’re ready to go.

You want diagnostics? Well V2 has diagnostics! With a touch of a button you can check compressor performance and compressor run times. The system will also alert you to a leak, a low pressure situation, communication failure or if there is something wrong with your valve.

Installation could not be easier! Mount your components, hook up 3 wires, plug in the OEM quality harness and you are ready to go. The detailed instruction manual will take you through the calibration and ride height preset process. Each V2 is 100% function and leak tested at the factory after assembly, so you can cruise the streets in confidence!

Kit Features:
Drop = 4"+
Durable double bellows springs
30-level damping adjustable monotube struts
Adjustable front camber plates
Anodized red aluminum accents
Powdercoated gloss black steel brackets
Braided stainless steel leader hoses
1/4" & 3/8" PTC fittings
All mounting hardware
Detailed instruction manual
AutoPilot V2 Digital Controller
1/4" Air Line
Advanced Air Lift Manifold
Viair 380 Compressor
5 Gallon Powder Coated Steel Tank
Air Lift’s 1-year warranty and excellent customer support

To achieve full drop chassis modifications may be required to your car.

Now that we have a pretty good idea what to expect when it’s completed, let’s gather up the tools to get this thing installed:
1) Ratchets 3/8” and ½” drive
2) Sockets: 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 17mm, 18mm, 19mm ,22mm
3) Wrenches: 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 9/16, 5/8, 7/8, 17mm, 18mm, 19mm
4) Impact gun ½” drive
5) Dikes/pliers/needle nose pliers
6) Small flat tip screw driver, regular flat tip screw driver
7) Phillips screw driver

Ok, so we got together all the things we have to install on his car, keep in mind, there are more things here, than what come with the kit. We replaced the tank with a different one that he had previously on another car. So some of the pictures won’t quite match up with what you have to install.

Here are the boxes of goodies we had to install for the day. Only 3 of the boxes are the Air Lift kit.
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Here’s a shot of most of what comes in the kit. Keep in mind, we used a different tank (read smaller), so our install photos will have a different tank.
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Well now, let’s get to it. First thing, pull the rear spare tire cover out so we can get the spare tire out and see what we have to work with for mounting the tank.
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Now let’s get these interior panels pulled out so we see what room we have to work with and where we can route the air lines and wires.

Take your flat tip screwdriver and pop the plastic clips loose and pull the rear plastic cover off.
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Next we need to get the side panel carpet off. Just undo these clips and they will simply pull right out.
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On the driver’s side panel you have the trunk release wiring clip you will want to undo before pulling it out, just squeeze the white clip and it pulls right out.
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Now we spent a little time trying to figure out where to mount the tank/pump/controller assembly before we finally decided to mount it to the rear of the car with the pump and controller facing the front of the car. Some of these pictures might show it facing the other direction, but not to worry it was just us test fitting the tank.

Here we are fitting the pump and controller assembly to the mounts for the tank we installed. This is what we opted for, you can use whatever works for you in your specific installation.
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You can see in this image how we routed the air line out of the pump and into the tank, this seemed to be the most feasible way to route it in our situation with the tank we used. You might find an easier/better solution if you use the tank that comes in the kit. You’ll notice on the right of the tank in this picture, we have the outlet going from the tank to the valve controller. There is a schematic that plainly and simply explains how to hook all the lines up to the valve body. You’ll want to hook the outlet of the tank to the slide lock fitting second from the right, as the right-most slide lock fitting is the exhaust for the system. On the bottom side, we routed the drain fitting with a Schrader valve at the end so we wouldn't experience any leaks. All of this is clearly explained in the manual. All of the bung holes that are not going to be used will have to be plugged with the appropriate plug. (If using the tank that came with the kit, it comes with plugs that you can use. Don’t forget to use the supplied thread sealant when placing any fitting or plugs to avoid leaks!
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Here we are placing some of the fittings to the pump, this is showing us threading in the air inlet filter barb.
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We drilled through the floor to mount the tank/controller/pump assembly and mounted it with four bolts. It seems to be stable and didn’t create much vibration because of the vibration isolators in the pump mount.

Since we have the pump/controller/tank assembly mounted, now we need to start on the wiring. Power and ground from the controller harness connects straight to the pump with a simple two wire hookup. We opted for the butt connector route. You can solder/heat wrap if you choose, either way works. You can see in this image we had to snip off the provided ends off to get to the wires to butt them together.

Everything in this kit is clearly marked on the wire itself so it’s basically plug n play.
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Next we routed the harness and the controller display to the front (controller we routed to the center console and drilled through the bottom of the tray and ran the wires through and left the display loose so we can move it around. We thought about mounting it on the dash, but it we thought it would be more versatile being loose.

Here we are routing the wiring harness towards the front of the car, we took the bolt out that holds the rear seat in place so we can have easy access to the routing location we chose.
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Lift the seat up and you can see how we routed the harness through. There is a nice groove in the floor pan that the wires rested in perfectly. So we pulled them through there.
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Then we had to pop the side panel off so we could tuck the wire through the side as to not have it showing throughout the car. It simply pops loose from the side of the car and it gives you access to pull the wire through
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Pop the door sill off and that give you access to the under carpet routing for the wires. You’ll have to pull the rubber seal off the door jamb to pull it back and slip the harness through.
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Here you can see the process of the wire routing. Fairly simple, just take your time to tuck them properly so they don’t leave lumps in the carpet. It should be seamless.
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Under the hood, you can see here where we went through the firewall. To get through this you will need a fish tool of some sort. Just fish the tool down from under the hood, tape the wire to the fish, and pull it through.
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Now, as we were passing the battery, we have to pull the power and ground wires out of the loom so we can hook them straight up to the battery with the provided loops. Just cut the tape on the loom to pull the wire out to the proper length then you will want to separate the ignition wire from the power/ground wires. Then route the ignition wire to the fuse box in the front passenger side of the engine bay.
You’ll want to do this as clean as possible so try to route the wires along the factory harness and keep it clean!
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They give you a couple of fuse tap clips with this kit. We decided to utilize one for the sake of this write-up. They are easy enough to use, just make sure you use the side of the fuse that is before the fuse so you don’t over load the existing fuse. And also, be sure to use the provided fuse block in the kit. Slide the tap onto the fuse and press it back in the slot.
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We used the lower most fuse, closest to the fender, located in the fuse box under the hood, we used this fuse because it has power while cranking but no power when the ignition is off. We had to drill a small hole to get the wire through the top of the box.
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Now we can hook up the battery positive and ground. Be sure to utilize the fuse block on your positive wire. Use the provided loops to attach them to the battery terminals bolts.
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Now that we have all the wiring done, let’s move onto the struts install! We did the rear first. Simple enough, three nuts hold the strut in place; take the top two off first:
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Then, on to the lower bolts, this will differ a bit from your install because we installed Cusco rear lateral links. So we took all of these bolts out. It made removing the strut a breeze.
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Now when you pull the rear lateral links off, the whole assembly will come with it including the strut, so be careful not to drop it!

The new struts are so much shorter prior to airing up the bag, you will have to jack the assembly up into place so you can thread the two top nuts on.
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Next on the list, replacing the front struts. Should be simple enough, let’s get to it! Three nuts on the top strut mount.
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We will be replacing the end links with the ones provided in the kit. You will want to completely remove the factory end link. You will have one nut up top and one on the bottom. The end links should come off with ease.
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Get the brake line retainers off by removing the single bolt holding it to the strut. Also, remove the abs sensor wiring by pulling the two clips off of the strut as well.
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Slide the new struts in place of the old ones and bolt them up (you will need to get an alignment asap after installing these as you would installing anything suspension related) Now we can start running our air lines. Use the provided stainless steel lines on the front struts. Thread them into the bag assembly on the rear of the strut. You will have to drill a hole into the fender well to get the hose to go safely through into the engine bay to meet up with the air lines we run up front.
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Put this fitting on the end of the stainless line so you can hook the air line to it using the slide lock connector.
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Now the provided end links should be pretty close to adjusted properly straight out of the box. Make sure they are close to the same length before you mount them. It’s easier to tighten the nuts on the end link after they are installed, do so after they are mounted up.
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Back to the back! Now we can start feeding the air lines! This is exciting! This is a good time to have someone that can help you by feeding the lines down through the holes while you drag the lines and feed them to the appropriate corner. Make sure you’re marking the lines as you run them so you don’t forget which is which.
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As we ran the lines under the car, we attached them to the fuel lines. We just zip tied the two that go up front to them. We tried to make the install as seamless and clean as possible. You can see the routing of our front passenger side air line here. It turned out really clean!



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Now we have all four corners ran!

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Let’s clean them up a bit. This car has existing rubber plugs in the spare tire well which makes this part easy. Just poke a hole through and shove the wires through and admire how clean it turns out!

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The instructions that come with the kit have a nice, simple to follow schematic for hooking up the lines, so all you have to do is make sure you have the properly marked line, run them as cleanly as possible, cut them to length, and slide them in the appropriate push lock connection on the valve body controller.

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Phew! That was fun wasn’t it?! Now we get to do the fun part, calibrating the system! Sit the car on the floor, and follow the instructions on how to calibrate it. It takes about 20 minutes to calibrate and the car will go up and down several times. You can see the rear down here:

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And the front here. Keep in mind; we have not adjusted the heights yet, so the front is sitting a little higher than the rear. We didn’t have time to get it all set properly. But this kit will go LOW! The rear can come down a little more and the front can come down a LOT more.
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All in all, I would say the install is very easy. I had never installed an air bag kit before and I was excited and nervous to try. The thing that took us the longest time was properly mounting the tank/pump/controller assembly. After that, it was cake! Total time for this install (keep in mind, we tried documenting as much as we could so that takes time) was around 8 hours. If you have installed these components before I could see you possibly cutting the install time in half. Good luck and enjoy the new, lower ride!

For more information on the air lift suspension please click here!
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Thanks,
Corby

FRSfan111 10-09-2013 04:58 AM

Any idea how much it weighs vs stock. How does it handle on te track?

RallySport Direct 10-09-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSfan111 (Post 1259603)
Any idea how much it weighs vs stock. How does it handle on te track?

We did not weigh it vs the stock suspension. But comparing these to a set of Tein coilovers, they come in at about 28-30 lbs more for the whole kit.

Also I doubt the car will see the track this year due to winter coming up on us quickly. Hopefully he will take it to the track next spring and I will make sure he gives a review when he does.

Thanks!
Rick

FRSfan111 10-09-2013 04:17 PM

Sounds good!

kykiee 10-10-2013 11:38 PM

I assuming there's less clearance between the front wheels and front bags vs the stock struts/springs.

RallySport Direct 10-11-2013 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kykiee (Post 1263510)
I assuming there's less clearance between the front wheels and front bags vs the stock struts/springs.


I would say they are about the same to be honest. The outer diameter of the lower front spring/perch are quite large. These might even give you a hair more clearance, but I think it would be almost identical.

Thanks,
Rick

SilverSkyline210 10-20-2013 11:56 PM

@RallySport Direct

any idea what size/ how many gallons that air tank that fits in the spare space is?

kykiee 10-22-2013 12:58 AM

What are the dimensions for the 5 gallon tank that comes with the Air Lift kit? Is the legs on the tank removable also? Just wondering if the tank fits in the spare tire well.

RallySport Direct 10-22-2013 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSkyline210 (Post 1282395)
@RallySport Direct

any idea what size/ how many gallons that air tank that fits in the spare space is?


The tank used was a skinny 3 gallon tank. I will have to get dimensions if you would like a little later.

Thanks,
Kyle

RallySport Direct 10-22-2013 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kykiee (Post 1284873)
What are the dimensions for the 5 gallon tank that comes with the Air Lift kit? Is the legs on the tank removable also? Just wondering if the tank fits in the spare tire well.


As far as dimensions for the 5 gallon tank we did not take a measurement, I can grab some later tonight. The legs are not removable they are welded to the tank, so you would have to cut them.

Thanks,
Kyle

gdrider77 10-22-2013 07:59 PM

Man i want this kit, just not sure how well this will hold up on the track.....need results!!!!

Admired 10-22-2013 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdrider77 (Post 1286754)
Man i want this kit, just not sure how well this will hold up on the track.....need results!!!!

Just had mine installed this past week @ Zen Motors in Suwanee. Still gotta pull and roll the fenders to get it slammed. I am running 19x9.5 in front and 19x10.5 in rear so it needs lots of pull

gdrider77 10-22-2013 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admired (Post 1286940)
Just had mine installed this past week @ Zen Motors in Suwanee. Still gotta pull and roll the fenders to get it slammed. I am running 19x9.5 in front and 19x10.5 in rear so it needs lots of pull

pics man!!!!

Admired 10-22-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gdrider77 (Post 1286980)
pics man!!!!

lol, I will. I'm picking it up tommorrow afternoon. Hopefully the pull/rolling goes to plan and no fender damage.

kykiee 11-06-2013 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admired (Post 1287063)
lol, I will. I'm picking it up tommorrow afternoon. Hopefully the pull/rolling goes to plan and no fender damage.

Where them pics at? I want to see some pics of where you installed the tank and compressor.

agile30 11-06-2013 10:18 PM

I know that Fish from Risky Devilz with the SWP BRZ has been running his air lift kit at the track constantly this past summer and on the street.

PhreshhWun 11-07-2013 07:14 PM

Now I'm a complete noob to air-bags and such.. But how do people get their wheels to automatically camber out when the car drops on the air bags ?

RallySport Direct 11-07-2013 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhreshhWun (Post 1318908)
Now I'm a complete noob to air-bags and such.. But how do people get their wheels to automatically camber out when the car drops on the air bags ?

It is due to the suspension, as the car goes lower you will automatically gain negative camber, and the toe will change as well along with the camber. It is something to keep in mind when getting an alignment for a desired ride height. As if you go above or below that specific ride height, the alignment will change.

Thanks,
Rick

PhreshhWun 11-07-2013 08:21 PM

Ahh I get it, Thanks ! I always thought that you had to have some sort of adjustable camber plates and all those things.

Thanks though !

RallySport Direct 11-07-2013 08:39 PM

And I'm just going to leave this here... ;)

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Thanks,
Rick

mmontes 11-10-2013 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RallySport Direct (Post 1319079)
And I'm just going to leave this here... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zqSqcR21MQ

Thanks,
Rick

Sick ass video editing and choice of music! Haha
:popcorn: :burnrubber:

trigger happy 11-10-2013 11:06 AM

This kit is sick. Id really like to save for it after wheels and tires

RallySport Direct 11-11-2013 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmontes (Post 1322822)
Sick ass video editing and choice of music! Haha
:popcorn: :burnrubber:

Thanks! That was my reaction the first time I saw the video too. Brilliant!

Quote:

Originally Posted by trigger happy (Post 1322971)
This kit is sick. Id really like to save for it after wheels and tires

Yeah we were really impressed with it. And with some wheels and tires, it should really compliment the kit :)

Thanks,
Rick

xxscaxx 11-12-2013 09:58 PM

Have had this kit for a long while now. Glad to see it get a known vendors stamp of approval. I've been preaching it for a long time now but it tends to fall on deaf ears when its just an enthusiast praising the kit lol.

I'd recommend not mounting the compressor straight to the body of the car, only because of vibration. I mounted mine to a board I cut out using the bolt hole for the spare to hold it down, then used the accuair EXO mounts for the compressor. Even mounting to it straight to the board will cause less vibration than right to the body.

If you do that i'd suggest using some sort of rubber mounts to kill the vibration. Other than that, pretty straight forward, I tapped the fuel pump wire along side the passenger side kick panel for the 12v ignition. VERY VERY important this is connected to a 12v cranking ignition source.

Great job on the writeup. I was going to do one, but didn't think it would really be popular on this forum.

the alcantara is a little dirty but just figured i'd throw this in there to show another setup.

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charged86 11-13-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kykiee (Post 1284873)
What are the dimensions for the 5 gallon tank that comes with the Air Lift kit? Is the legs on the tank removable also? Just wondering if the tank fits in the spare tire well.

About 5 gallons.

Brztuned 11-18-2013 01:57 PM

Ah, what a great setup!

RallySport Direct 11-22-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brztuned (Post 1338202)
Ah what a nasty set up. Really looking forward to bagging my brz !


You know from my perspective, I was pleasantly surprised to ride in Kyle's BRZ. Suspension geometry is something I find important in our hobby and honestly the air suspension just wasn't my style.

Initially when getting into the car, it's like sitting on the floor (on lowered mode obviuosly). Kyle fires up the car, and it he raises it up with the remote, and it makes this cool air noise. And off we roll.

My skepticism about the suspension almost immediately dwindled as the car was really comfortable to ride in. It felt OEM on regular surface streets. It was like being on coil overs, but with an OEM feel which was I thought really impressive.

And handling wise it felt great as well. Even when he lowered it on the fly.

So in conclusion I actually really like this kit. I certainly have a better opinion about it.

Regards,

Jeff

Kyubi 12-10-2013 12:40 PM

What are the specs on the Rims in the video? Just trying to get a good Idea of rim/tires to also fit with this :)

RallySport Direct 12-10-2013 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyubi (Post 1380829)
What are the specs on the Rims in the video? Just trying to get a good Idea of rim/tires to also fit with this :)

Wheels were Work XD9's in a 18x10 +18 all around with a 225/40 tire.

Let us know if you need any more info! :)

Thanks,
Rick

mx5 2nr 12-10-2013 01:49 PM

I have always been intriguied by air suspension setups, for their obvious benefits. But I have some (probably really stupid) questions...

(1) Can you program a set "driving height" with these kits? Sorry if I overlooked it in the writeup.

(2) (assuming you can program a "driving height" on the kit) When you get your car aligned with the air setup, does the alignment specs go out of wack when you lower your car and bring it back to "driving height". I suspect the alignment will fall out of spec quicker, no?

Sorry I don't have much experience in air-ride setups, and thanks for the great write up!

RallySport Direct 12-13-2013 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mx5 2nr (Post 1381014)
I have always been intriguied by air suspension setups, for their obvious benefits. But I have some (probably really stupid) questions...

(1) Can you program a set "driving height" with these kits? Sorry if I overlooked it in the writeup.

(2) (assuming you can program a "driving height" on the kit) When you get your car aligned with the air setup, does the alignment specs go out of wack when you lower your car and bring it back to "driving height". I suspect the alignment will fall out of spec quicker, no?

Sorry I don't have much experience in air-ride setups, and thanks for the great write up!


Sorry for the late response. This kit will have 8 programmable preset settings. So you could find your ideal "driving height" or where the car will be the majority of the time, program it in, and get the alignment at that setting.

Now once you go lower or higher than that, it will adjust the alignment to a degree depending on how much lower or higher you go. So it would be ideal to get the car aligned with the setting you will use the car the most in, and if you get to a show you can drop it down as the car will most likely not be moving much.

Hope this makes sense and let us know if you have any questions.
Thanks!
Rick

boucher 12-15-2013 02:54 AM

I understand that y'all mounted the tank/compressor in the spare tire well so that you would still have use of the trunk, but does driving around without a spare tire concern the owner at all? I'd almost rather mount the tank in the trunk and still have a spare tire. What are pros/cons of doing it either way?

mx5 2nr 12-16-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RallySport Direct (Post 1388601)
Hope this makes sense and let us know if you have any questions.
Thanks!
Rick


Thanks Rick!

xxscaxx 12-16-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by boucher (Post 1390979)
I understand that y'all mounted the tank/compressor in the spare tire well so that you would still have use of the trunk, but does driving around without a spare tire concern the owner at all? I'd almost rather mount the tank in the trunk and still have a spare tire. What are pros/cons of doing it either way?

mounting in spare tire area

Pros - have space in trunk

cons - lose spare tire

mounting tank IN trunk

Pros - keep spare tire

cons - lose trunk space

:) lol. I wanted the ability to fold my seats down and put items in my trunk still if I needed to. If things were mounted up top you lose cargo area.

You could always go with mounting the tank outside of the car under the spare tire area like RiskyDevil did, but you need to have an aftermarket exhaust that doesn't take up that area to do so.

empower-auto 12-16-2013 03:38 PM

any notes on handling limitations with this kit?

vs. stock?
vs. street/light track coilovers?

TakeNoL 12-16-2013 03:57 PM

Is it possible to achieve the opposite results? Instead of a 4" drop, can it be raised 4 inches above stock ride height? I only ask this because i live in snowy NY.

xxscaxx 12-17-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TakeNoL (Post 1393387)
Is it possible to achieve the opposite results? Instead of a 4" drop, can it be raised 4 inches above stock ride height? I only ask this because i live in snowy NY.

Yes it has a collar and lock rings that you can adjust the height on it up and down like you would with coilovers. The front can get pretty high as it is, higher than stock, and still be able to slam low. the rear is a different story, as the struts are shorter, but its still possible.

I drive in NY with no issues, but you could also just adjust the sleeves up in the winter time and then change them back when its warm out, like coils.

RallySport Direct 12-17-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by empower-auto (Post 1393344)
any notes on handling limitations with this kit?

vs. stock?
vs. street/light track coilovers?


This is a great question, and while I don't have personal track experience with Air Bags, it really comes down to the spring rates. As you raise the height the "spring rates" will increase as the bags are increasing in pressure. So if you were really anal about that kind of stuff, they would not be the most ideal, but for most people that want a versatile suspension system, the compromises may be worth it. Other than that it would come down to getting a proper alignment for the ride height you are tracking the car with.

Hope this helps!
Thanks,
Rick

Quote:

Originally Posted by TakeNoL (Post 1393387)
Is it possible to achieve the opposite results? Instead of a 4" drop, can it be raised 4 inches above stock ride height? I only ask this because i live in snowy NY.

xxscaxx is correct, you technically can go higher than stock if needed. Now I don't know if you could go a full 4 inches, but higher than stock for sure :)

Thanks,
Rick

TakeNoL 12-18-2013 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by xxscaxx (Post 1395525)
Yes it has a collar and lock rings that you can adjust the height on it up and down like you would with coilovers. The front can get pretty high as it is, higher than stock, and still be able to slam low. the rear is a different story, as the struts are shorter, but its still possible.

I drive in NY with no issues, but you could also just adjust the sleeves up in the winter time and then change them back when its warm out, like coils.

Normally i don't have an issue with driving in the winter but the past 2 weeks i got stuck twice. What parts of NY are you in?

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Originally Posted by RallySport Direct (Post 1396680)
xxscaxx is correct, you technically can go higher than stock if needed. Now I don't know if you could go a full 4 inches, but higher than stock for sure :)

Thanks,
Rick

That is good to hear, i definitely want to do this sometime in the future.

xxscaxx 12-18-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TakeNoL (Post 1397178)
Normally i don't have an issue with driving in the winter but the past 2 weeks i got stuck twice. What parts of NY are you in?



That is good to hear, i definitely want to do this sometime in the future.

I'm in Orange County, near the woodbury commons area. But I drive to Poughkeepsie to work everyday.


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